NASA To Trigger Massive Explosion On the Moon In Search of Ice

[Mini-Me]

False. The private sector won`t do it, because under our present economic condition it would be putting the cart before the horse and the market won`t stand for an allocation of resources as irrational as that.

The private sector will start projects which are going to be profitable only in the long term, but only under certain conditions. When such a project is made rational by other market forces and thus receives a green light from market signals.

This is worth repeating...

 

[Matt Collins]

You didn't respond to my question about justification!

The federal government has the power to raise an army and tax granted to it in the Constitution.

 

[Matt Collins]

But does that justify theft (taxes) to pay for these programs?

Do you advocate stealing from me to fund these programs?

If it's done for defensive reasons, then yes it is justified. As we move closer to a space race with China this could be justified for that reason.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

And we wouldn't have come this far except for the research done by the DoD during the Cold War.

Agree

You mean like DARPA/ARPA?

There is a ARPA-E and IARPA too...

-t

 

[Kraig]

The federal government has the power to raise an army and tax granted to it in the Constitution.

Yes I know, does that morally justify it for you? Because of that, or any other reason, do you advocate taking my money, against my will, and funding these programs? I not trying to argue with you I just want to know what you believe from a moral standpoint.

 

[torchbearer]

I'm guessing that is sarcasm...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon#Ocean_tides

"The effect on the Moon's orbital radius is a small one, just 0.10 ppb/year, but results in a measurable 3.82 cm annual increase in the Earth-Moon distance.[55]

Cumulatively, this effect becomes ever more significant over time; since astronauts first landed on the Moon approximately 40 years ago, it is 1.52 metres farther away."​

lol...

like I said, we won't always have a moon.

 

[Mini-Me]

like I said, we won't always have a moon.

True, but...at the rate it's going, it looks like the sun is going to wipe out all life on Earth before the moon leaves us.

 

[Matt Collins]

Yes I know, does that morally justify it for you? Because of that, or any other reason, do you advocate taking my money, against my will, and funding these programs? I not trying to argue with you I just want to know what you believe from a moral standpoint.

Isn't one of the government's job defense? Doesn't the government have to pay for that defense? Doesn't the government have the authority to raise funds by way of taxation?

 

[torchbearer]

True, but...at the rate it's going, it looks like the sun is going to wipe out all life on Earth before the moon leaves us.

give it a million years.
The sun is estimated to survive much longer than that...

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

True, but...at the rate it's going, it looks like the sun is going to wipe out all life on Earth before the moon leaves us.

Hmmm... yahknow, if we just nuked the sun, maybe we could kick start some of that sun spot activity and get rid of this dang global cooling...

NOTICE to any congress critters reading this - that was NOT a serious suggestion!

-t

 

[torchbearer]

Hmmm... yahknow, if we just nuked the sun, maybe we could kick start some of that sun spot activity and get rid of this dang global cooling...

NOTICE to any congress critters reading this - that was NOT a serious suggestion!

-t

yes- please don't give them any more ideas.

 

[Mini-Me]

give it a million years.
The sun is estimated to survive much longer than that...

Really? If you linearly extrapolate the moon's recession of 3.8m/century (according to Wikipedia), it will only be about 190,000km farther away in 5 billion years, or slightly over 49% farther than it currently is today. While I understand the moon's recession is probably not linear, it seems like it may actually be gradually decreasing according to this snippet, which estimates the moon and Earth will still be in orbit for ten times as long as it takes for the sun to become a red giant (unless there's a typo):

The Moon is gradually receding from the Earth into a higher orbit, and calculations[2][3] suggest that this will continue for about fifty billion years. By that time, the Earth and Moon will become caught up in what is called a "spin–orbit resonance" in which the Moon will circle the Earth in about 47 days (currently 29 days), and both Moon and Earth will rotate around their axes in the same time, always facing each other with the same side. Beyond this, it is hard to tell what will happen to the Earth–Moon system, considering that the Sun is expected to become a red giant in approximately five billion years.

If we blow up the moon Austin Powers style, we'll be sure to miss it for a long time.

 

[Kraig]

Isn't one of the government's job defense? Doesn't the government have to pay for that defense? Doesn't the government have the authority to raise funds by way of taxation?

That is what I was asking you. Does the government have the authority to take my money against my will and use it to fund defense? Well if you look at reality, then yes, through force they have that right.

What I am asking you is do you sanction that right? Do you believe it is morally right for them to take my money against my will when it is used for defense?

 

[acptulsa]

That is what I was asking you. Does the government have the authority to take my money against my will and use it to fund defense? Well if you look at reality, then yes, through force they have that right.

What I am asking you is do you sanction that right? Do you believe it is morally right for them to take my money against my will when it is used for defense?

Here, let me fix this attempted hijack for you.

[channels Jackie Gleason]

One of these days, Kraig--POW!--straight to the moon!

[/Gleason]

Now you may continue your normally scheduled hijack already as usual in progress, as it can be argued that it has some tenuous connection to the topic of the thread.

yes- please don't give them any more ideas.

Please!! They don't even care if it's a serious suggestion; their only question is how big would the kickbacks be?

 

[Matt Collins]

That is what I was asking you. Does the government have the authority to take my money against my will and use it to fund defense? Well if you look at reality, then yes, through force they have that right.

What I am asking you is do you sanction that right? Do you believe it is morally right for them to take my money against my will when it is used for defense?

Yes, that's one of the few legitimate functions of government; securing individual rights.

 

[slacker921]

The booster will be empty of fuel.. it's not like they're shooting a live missile at it. They want to create a big dust cloud and fly LCROSS through it and see if they can pick up traces of water, etc..

LRO makes me wonder what they're up to though. They're going to map the surface of the moon down to centimeter accuracy.. one fun offshoot might be virtual representations of the moon - so you can "go there" and see what some of the big craters look like with the Earth rising above them, etc.

 

[jkr]

what is these IDIOTS problem?

sum1 needs to loose thier allowance...

 

[Andrew-Austin]

I've seen this on Futurama, this is only phase one. Phase two is when they bring back a massive chunk of ice to earth, and drop it in the ocean to combat global warming.

Seriously though, who the fuck cares if there is ice on the moon.

 

[Objectivist]

Impact from a rocket is not an explosion such as a explosive device, but still produces enough energy to scatter tons of debris around.

From some of the posts I read I thought they were launching a nuclear device or explosive device.

 

[Objectivist]

I've seen this on Futurama, this is only phase one. Phase two is when they bring back a massive chunk of ice to earth, and drop it in the ocean to combat global warming.

Seriously though, who the fuck cares if there is ice on the moon.

I care.