NASA Declares Carbon Dioxide Is Greening The Earth

short term, but still less than 100% saturation.



It doesn't need to be at pressures greater than 1ATM. Breathing pure o2 at 1ATM long enough will still cause all kinds of negative effects, especially to lungs and eyes.

We could never hit an equilibrium where there is so much oxygen in the air that it would be toxic. Why? Because, in mole percent, air is 78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen, 0.04% carbon dioxide, with some other gases.

The chemical reaction used by plants to make oxygen is:
6CO2 + 6H2O gives C6H12O6 + 6O2

That's right, you get one O2 for every one CO2. So even if plants converted all of the carbon dioxide to oxygen tomorrow, oxygen would only be 20.982%(20.947%+0.035%). You want to know how minimal a change that is? For simplicites sake, we'll treat air as a Nobel gas.

Using PV=nRT. Let's use a change in pressure to determine the elevation change it would take for you to get the same amount of oxygen, so:

P1/n1 = P2/n2
P2=P1×(n2/n1)

My elevation where I am at right now is 98 feet above sea level, so my atmospheric pressure is about 14.6334 psi.

P1 = 14.6334 psi × (20.982/20.947) = 14.6579 psi

For that pressure, I'd have to be at 59 feet above sea level. I've survived going to the beach before, so I'm pretty sure oxygen wouldn't be toxic at 59 feet above sea level.

One last point. Some divers use tanks with 100% oxygen. They just use special breathing techniques.
 
Like I said already, yes, they do claim that rising CO2 levels are overall bad.

But within that larger claim, they also generally agree that rising CO2 levels, in and of themselves, are a boon to plant life. They just also claim that the benefits plants get from higher CO2 levels are made up for by other detrimental effects those same CO2 levels have.

No, I'm not kidding you and haven't been under a rock. And when I do a Google search for "climate scientists CO2 plant life" the top hits all confirm my understanding of their claims.

So, if you do have a source for your claim that climate scientists tend to say that CO2 is bad for plant life (which, if you just think about that for a second, it should be obvious that none would claim that), then by all means share it. The fact that you can't provide a source for that makes me think you don't have any.

You can find dozens, nay, probably hundreds of articles like this scaring people into thinking that the deserts are going to take over the world because of climate change..

Do you see anywhere in this article where it is mentioned that plant life has increased by 25%? I don't. That's why this is called a narrative, and the plant life increase is accepted but not part of the narrative. The whole point of this thread is to make it apart of the narrative.

The Sahara Desert Is Growing. Here's What That Means

https://www.livescience.com/62168-sahara-desert-expanding.html

 
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You can find dozens, nay, probably hundreds of articles like this scaring people into thinking that the deserts are going to take over the world because of climate change..

Do you see anywhere in this article where it is mentioned that plant life has increased by 25%? I don't. That's why this is called a narrative, and the plant life increase is accepted but not part of the narrative. The whole point of this thread is to make it apart of the narrative.

The Sahara Desert Is Growing. Here's What That Means

https://www.livescience.com/62168-sahara-desert-expanding.html


Now "exactly" why they are really not sure, as noted if read well. But this may be having a big affect on this as it is in North America. This is one of the major contributing factors for all the strange weather the last few years. The Atmospheric Cell shapes are changing and causing changes from normal on all latitudes.

https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/csd/assessments/climate/2017/CSSR_Ch5_Circulation_and_Variability.pdf
 
short term, but still less than 100% saturation.



It doesn't need to be at pressures greater than 1ATM. Breathing pure o2 at 1ATM long enough will still cause all kinds of negative effects, especially to lungs and eyes.
Yes but we are nowhere near a pure O2 atmosphere, we could vastly increase atmospheric oxygen and reap only positive results.
 
Yes but we are nowhere near a pure O2 atmosphere, we could vastly increase atmospheric oxygen and reap only positive results.

I never claimed that we were near it, just that Oxygen is toxic especially at increased pressure. That is all. I'm not too worried about either too much O2 or CO2 in our air.
 
Oxygen is a pollutant.


: )

We will criminalize it , decriminalize it , form a regulatory commission and tax it.
 
While driving home from an Easter gathering not long after midnight and trying to keep my eyes open, something on the radio made them wide. “The plants believe they’re going extinct because of climate change,” said the speaker, “so they’re releasing more pollen,” is how I remember it.
Had the Onion entered the terrestrial radio market? Had I gotten it wrong in my fatigued state? After a little investigation, I found the source of this WCBS NewsRadio 880 segment: An April 17 report entitled “Allergy Season Is Getting Worse As More Children, Adults Diagnosed.”
The newscaster, Sophia Hall, outlined the matter and then played a couple of clips from one Dr. Payel Gupta, an allergist at ENT & Allergy Associates’ Manhattan, NYC office. After mentioning some basic signs of allergies and diagnostic options, Gupta channeled Al Gore and played climatologist, explaining that Global Warming™ was exacerbating the problem.

“‘Climate change and global warming and how that [sic] impacting allergies and essentially, each pollen season is getting a little bit worse because, essentially, the plant [sic] feel in danger of extinction and [are] releasing more and more pollen because they’re worried that they’re not gonna be around for too long,’ she said,” WCBS relates — essentially.
I do not know if Gupta, aside from being an allergist and closet climatologist but not much of a linguist, is also a plant psychologist. But I had no idea the poor flora were agonizing over their impending doom.

Gupta did not explain whether the plants were spewing this extra pollen as a result of melancholia or in a last-gasp effort at vengeance. You know, “If I’ve gotta’ go, I’m makin’ sure those humans spend my last days red-eyed, coughing, wheezing, sneezing, and blowin’.” But can we talk, my (mostly) green friends?
Perhaps the plants won’t see this; maybe they get their information only from the New York Times and the rest of Enemedia Central. Or perhaps they’re blinded by emotion and, to paraphrase Jonathan Swift, “You cannot reason a plant out of a position it has not reasoned itself into” and all we can do is spike the soil with Prozac. But do know this:
CO2, which is supposedly increasing because of globull warming, is not a pollutant — it’s plant food.
This is why, green ones, human botanists kindly pump it into greenhouses. It’s why crop yields are greater when CO2 levels are higher. (Okay, I’m sorry, we do eat some of you. But the flip side is that marketable plants are under no threat of extinction.) It’s also why the dinosaur age, when CO2 levels were five to 10 times today’s, was characterized by lush foliage everywhere.
Also consider the following:
• Climate data appear very unreliable, and many scientists say that the temperature ceased rising approximately 20 years ago. Moreover, one report indicates that Arctic sea ice is the same thickness now as it was 75 years ago.
• The claim that “97 percent of scientists affirm” man-caused global warming was always false. There’s much disagreement on the matter, and, besides, “consensus” isn’t a term of science, but politics.
• Climate models have been consistently wrong, yet alarmists still want them to shape policy. Is this rational? Would you take a “hot stock tip” from a broker who’d been consistently wrong for more than a generation?
(More science-denier-debunking climate realism here.)
In truth, my stationary friends, you should thank us. Astrobiologist Jack O’Malley-James warned in 2013 that life on Earth will end because of too little CO2 (in approximately one billion years), as you plants can’t photosynthesize when levels are too low. Moreover, some scientists believe we’re poised to enter another ice age, and most living things — flora especially — fare far better in warmer temperatures. So if the anthropogenic-climate-change thesis were true, perhaps we’d just be forestalling your demise.

More at: https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech...e-to-global-warming-are-releasing-more-pollen
 
While driving home from an Easter gathering not long after midnight and trying to keep my eyes open, something on the radio made them wide. “The plants believe they’re going extinct because of climate change,” said the speaker, “so they’re releasing more pollen,” is how I remember it.
Had the Onion entered the terrestrial radio market? Had I gotten it wrong in my fatigued state? After a little investigation, I found the source of this WCBS NewsRadio 880 segment: An April 17 report entitled “Allergy Season Is Getting Worse As More Children, Adults Diagnosed.”
The newscaster, Sophia Hall, outlined the matter and then played a couple of clips from one Dr. Payel Gupta, an allergist at ENT & Allergy Associates’ Manhattan, NYC office. After mentioning some basic signs of allergies and diagnostic options, Gupta channeled Al Gore and played climatologist, explaining that Global Warming™ was exacerbating the problem.

“‘Climate change and global warming and how that [sic] impacting allergies and essentially, each pollen season is getting a little bit worse because, essentially, the plant [sic] feel in danger of extinction and [are] releasing more and more pollen because they’re worried that they’re not gonna be around for too long,’ she said,” WCBS relates — essentially.
I do not know if Gupta, aside from being an allergist and closet climatologist but not much of a linguist, is also a plant psychologist. But I had no idea the poor flora were agonizing over their impending doom.

Gupta did not explain whether the plants were spewing this extra pollen as a result of melancholia or in a last-gasp effort at vengeance. You know, “If I’ve gotta’ go, I’m makin’ sure those humans spend my last days red-eyed, coughing, wheezing, sneezing, and blowin’.” But can we talk, my (mostly) green friends?
Perhaps the plants won’t see this; maybe they get their information only from the New York Times and the rest of Enemedia Central. Or perhaps they’re blinded by emotion and, to paraphrase Jonathan Swift, “You cannot reason a plant out of a position it has not reasoned itself into” and all we can do is spike the soil with Prozac. But do know this:
CO2, which is supposedly increasing because of globull warming, is not a pollutant — it’s plant food.
This is why, green ones, human botanists kindly pump it into greenhouses. It’s why crop yields are greater when CO2 levels are higher. (Okay, I’m sorry, we do eat some of you. But the flip side is that marketable plants are under no threat of extinction.) It’s also why the dinosaur age, when CO2 levels were five to 10 times today’s, was characterized by lush foliage everywhere.
Also consider the following:
• Climate data appear very unreliable, and many scientists say that the temperature ceased rising approximately 20 years ago. Moreover, one report indicates that Arctic sea ice is the same thickness now as it was 75 years ago.
• The claim that “97 percent of scientists affirm” man-caused global warming was always false. There’s much disagreement on the matter, and, besides, “consensus” isn’t a term of science, but politics.
• Climate models have been consistently wrong, yet alarmists still want them to shape policy. Is this rational? Would you take a “hot stock tip” from a broker who’d been consistently wrong for more than a generation?
(More science-denier-debunking climate realism here.)
In truth, my stationary friends, you should thank us. Astrobiologist Jack O’Malley-James warned in 2013 that life on Earth will end because of too little CO2 (in approximately one billion years), as you plants can’t photosynthesize when levels are too low. Moreover, some scientists believe we’re poised to enter another ice age, and most living things — flora especially — fare far better in warmer temperatures. So if the anthropogenic-climate-change thesis were true, perhaps we’d just be forestalling your demise.

More at: https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech...e-to-global-warming-are-releasing-more-pollen

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Yes, plants are how the Earth fights back against CO2. Although we may have less square miles of forests across the planet, the density of plant growth has gone up. The Earth knows how to take care of itself.
 
Yes, plants are how the Earth fights back against CO2. Although we may have less square miles of forests across the planet, the density of plant growth has gone up. The Earth knows how to take care of itself.
Some would say that more and healthier plants mean a healthier earth.
 
Some would say that more and healthier plants mean a healthier earth.

Downside to increased plant density is increased fire in some areas.

One thing is for sure, the Govt solution to Global Warming, whether it is believed or not, is probably worse than Global Warming itself, just like almost everything else Big Gov gets its hands on.
 
Yes, plants are how the Earth fights back against CO2. Although we may have less square miles of forests across the planet, the density of plant growth has gone up. The Earth knows how to take care of itself.

That's still not going to fix the ozone
 
That's still not going to fix the ozone
Thank China for that...


Indeed, another reason to outcast Chinese goods.
https://edmontonjournal.com/news/wo...-gas/wcm/d09d5e0d-3b73-48ec-b4cc-b230b37d5720

Now, in a new study published in Nature on May 22, scientists from the University of Bristol, Kyungpook National University, and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology found that between 40 and 60 per cent of total global CFC-11 emissions originate from eastern China.
With the help of an international network of measurement devices designed to identify and track gases in the atmosphere, the team behind the study found that data from their devices in Korea and Japan has spiked since 2013. After analyzing weather and wind patterns to determine the origin of the gas increase, it led them to eastern mainland China, around the Shandong province.
“It wasn’t entirely a surprise,” said Matthew Rigby, lead author of the study and Reader in Atmospheric Chemistry in the School of Chemistry at the University of Bristol. A few months after the initial report was released last year, both the Environmental Investigation Agency and the New York Times published reports in which Chinese manufacturers in the region confirmed they were using CFC-11 in the production of foams.
 
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