Naomi Wolf: The End of America (Audio Interview) W/ Alex Jones

[ChooseLiberty]

Interesting discussion.

Please name some people (besides Bill Cooper) that are not "false actors" or suspected of being "false actors".

So maybe Naomi Wolfe stole her thesis from someone else without credit. That's bad. But she's getting it in front of the public. Maybe it will wake some sheeple. Please punch some holes in the thesis for us.

Ayn Rand also stole most of her material BTW.

 

[realitywiz]

Very interesting thread. I've always liked Alex Jones. I won't form any conclusions about anybody, but I will be just a tad more careful about his information. All of you have some good points.

As for Naomi Wolf, she just seems like someone who comes from a liberal/Democrat background and is just now learning some of the darker secrets of the establishment. We have lots of liberals turning into libertarians as a result of Ron Paul's campaign -- let's not forget that. But thanks for making me more alert.

Keep the discussion going.


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[shida]

Is Alex Jones CIA ??

This is a very interesting thread. I've been listening to Alex Jones for a few months now and every so often I hear comments that he's CIA. Has anyone got any comments on the points raised on this website which is clearly of the view that he is.

http://www.spirituallysmart.com/Jones-CIA.htm

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

It's obvious to anyone with an IQ above 75 that people are very upset about the erosion of civil liberties. That's Wolf's "pacing" part. Naomi Wolf is not so much promoting Hillary Clinton as she is leading people bent to the left who are concerned about the issue, Pied Piper-like to Hillary. She definitely does "promote" the phony left-right distinction and most important and disturbing, she endorses Clinton. That's enough to convince me. It doesn't add up --or das pack ich nicht.

No, it doesn't add up. But, your take on her strategy doesn't add up, either.

I know of two people that Naomi Wolf pretty much delivered straight to Ron Paul. One a regular republican voter, and one a regular Nader voter (as this person wants to be more democrat than regular democrat.)

In my experience, it's fairly easy to convince the average person that democrats and republicans are the same. It's much more difficult to convince people that we're marching toward facism. Wolf does a pretty good job of that, and she's able to reach an especially tough demographic for that message - women. I think most people intelligent enough to understand Wolf don't agree that democrats are a solution. If that really is the strategy, I welcome it. It backfires. She presents a real problem that people have difficulty accepting (facism), and then provides a fake solution (Hillary) that's easy to spot as a fake solution. So now people see the problem, and look elsewhere for a solution.

 

[MooCowzRock]

Considering America is at step 9 out of the 10 steps to becoming a fascist state, Alex Jones, Naomi Wolf, Ron Paul, etc are all the true true heros of America.

Anyone who hasn't realised this yet needs to stop taking Blue Pills...

There is a difference between not taking the blue pill and over-fucking-dosing on the red pills.

I very much appreciate how the government today is moving awayt from its original purpose to an increasingly tyrannical state, and that too many politicians in an attempt to do what they think is right, feel that the ends justify the means when 1) it doesnt and 2)their means lead to a worse "ends", and they have lost all understanding of the purpose of our check on their power, one that needs to be returned to us, etc.

But Alex Jones, who also is just trying to do the right thing for what he believes, has just as bad an over-reaction with the concept that "the ends justify the means." While his end is a more likable outcome for the people, it still doesnt change the fact that he is just as much an extremist and fear-monger as the neocons.


Thats why I fully support Ron Paul and his message, because its the most realistic message and point, in between the neocons and Alex Jones.

Alex Jones and Bush can both fuck off.

 

[realitywiz]

I still doubt that Alex Jones and Naomi Wolf are shills. It's possible -- but I just don't think so. In any case, they're actually tremendously helping the Ron Paul movement whether they intend to or not.

AJ does over-react sometimes but that's just his personality. I like Jeff Rense better -- he's calmer.



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[CannotIgnoreAnyone]

This is a very interesting thread. I've been listening to Alex Jones for a few months now and every so often I hear comments that he's CIA. Has anyone got any comments on the points raised on this website which is clearly of the view that he is.

AJ's role is to:

- rub his conspiracy theorist shockjock koodies all over anything unauthorized, thereby discrediting further responsible research and discussion into the matter. That's why he's supporting RP so strongly, to help the "kook" label stick on RP.

- go crazy and rant on-air so that any normal thinking person would turn him off, thereby turning-off any discussion of the issues that he raises. Notice that he'll go for a while with normal and intelligent discussion, perhaps drawing regular folks in, then he goes crazy to discredit himself and everything he's talking about. This is by design.

- keep the sheeple focused on a pending police state, driving a wedge between the citizenry and local police forces that are there to protect this citizenry.

- instigate violence, so that the establishment can use this violence as an excuse to crash down on any domestic disturbance. This will justify the establishment's crackdown on the domestic population.

- utilize NLP, sophistry and other advanced language techniques to maintain confusion and fear amongs the population.

 

[Pete]

^^ +1


Another phenomenon floating around that I think is disinfo is Zeitgeist, The Movie.

It's a mixture of fact and fiction that no intelligent person would take seriously, thus discrediting the whole thing.

 

[johngr]

AJ's role is to:

- rub his conspiracy theorist shockjock koodies all over anything unauthorized, thereby discrediting further responsible research and discussion into the matter. That's why he's supporting RP so strongly, to help the "kook" label stick on RP.

- go crazy and rant on-air so that any normal thinking person would turn him off, thereby turning-off any discussion of the issues that he raises. Notice that he'll go for a while with normal and intelligent discussion, perhaps drawing regular folks in, then he goes crazy to discredit himself and everything he's talking about. This is by design.

- keep the sheeple focused on a pending police state, driving a wedge between the citizenry and local police forces that are there to protect this citizenry.

- instigate violence, so that the establishment can use this violence as an excuse to crash down on any domestic disturbance. This will justify the establishment's crackdown on the domestic population.

- utilize NLP, sophistry and other advanced language techniques to maintain confusion and fear amongs the population.

Wow. You nailed it.

 

[johngr]

Interesting discussion.

Please name some people (besides Bill Cooper) that are not "false actors" or suspected of being "false actors".

Fritz Springmeyer, Daniel Estulin (though he's often fed disinfo), Ben Fairhall. I'm sure there are others but the problem is if anyone who has any decent gets popular and doesn't deliver it in a self-discrediting manner, he tends to get prosecuted on trumped-up charges or whacked. I think David Icke might also have some good info (forget the lizard stuff, he probably deliberately put it there to discredit the rest or to protect himself or as a metaphor for something else (it ain't the Tibetans). If it weren't for the lizard stuff, he'd have ended up like Springmeyer (or more likely) Cooper.)

 

[johngr]

Interesting discussion.

Please name some people (besides Bill Cooper) that are not "false actors" or suspected of being "false actors".

Fritz Springmeyer, Daniel Estulin (though he's often fed disinfo), Ben Fairhall, Joe Vialls. I'm sure there are others but the problem is if anyone who has any decent info gets popular and doesn't deliver it in a self-discrediting manner, he tends to get prosecuted on trumped-up charges or whacked. I think David Icke might also have some good info (forget the lizard stuff, he probably deliberately put it there to discredit the rest or to protect himself or as a metaphor for something else (it ain't the Tibetans). If it weren't for the lizard stuff, he'd have ended up like Springmeyer (or more likely) Cooper.)

 

[robandsally]

Fritz Springmeyer, Daniel Estulin (though he's often fed disinfo), Ben Fairhall. I'm sure there are others but the problem is if anyone who has any decent gets popular and doesn't deliver it in a self-discrediting manner, he tends to get prosecuted on trumped-up charges or whacked. I think David Icke might also have some good info (forget the lizard stuff, he probably deliberately put it there to discredit the rest or to protect himself or as a metaphor for something else (it ain't the Tibetans). If it weren't for the lizard stuff, he'd have ended up like Springmeyer (or more likely) Cooper.)

Estulin and Icke gotta be disinfo. Estulin for his lastest "they're going to 'take-out' RP stuff....and Icke for his 'crazy' stuff like that lizard meme.

Basically, when someone mixes material that is crazy with discussion of unauthorized and meaningful issues, that's a strong sign that that actor should be received very cautiously. The reason is, disinfo actors alway spout crazy stuff so that they can be easily discredited later. When someone is discredited, all of their messages are discredited, not just the nutzo messages. This is a great way to discredit the meaningful message that are distributed by that person.

Someone who really understands what is going on is unlikely to also mix-in nutzo messages, for they know the importance of staying credible. Also, they would understand that the nutzo stuff is disinfo anyway, and would have no interest in spreading it.

 

[Victor]

Intel that there was going to be an attack involving the WTC and blowing up airplanes!? Whom was this kind of intel available from? Who else was privy to it and who else made such a specific (as well as carefully worded and plausibly deniable) prediction about the WTC attacks?

Aaron Russo.