Naomi Wolf: The End of America (Audio Interview) W/ Alex Jones

[robandsally]

I have thought AJ was COINTELPRO ever since Bill Cooper called him on his Y2K fearmongering. It was confirmed in my mind with his warning with specific details about false flag terror 2 months before the WTC attacks. The "swamp" in my expression as applied there refers to Hillary. It does not apply to Ron Paul. Even if Ron Paul were "one of them" there are too few to matter, who think that he is anything other than honorable. I've seen no one attack his motives, his record or his personal history (aside from that newsletter thing that went nowhere).

RP doesn't appear to be one of them. But AJ clearly is. He's been professionally trained in a number of psycholinguistic techniques, that's obvious to anyone who's really awake and paying attention.

Listen carefully to AJ's interviews of RP over the last few months and then check out his next day's story on the interview. AJ sets carefully crafted traps throughout his interviews, ones that very few would pick up on. Good thing RP usually doesn't fall for them, but on occassion he has and AJ has taken full advantage of it in his written story.

Naomi Wolf is a Rhodes scholar (CFR). She was a high-level consultant on Clinton's reelection campaign as well as on the Gore/Lieberman campaign

Rhodes scholar.....CFR....Clinton....Gore .....certainly strong evidence to indicate she is part of the club and is not sincere in her attacks against the establishment. Further, all of her material is simply predictive programming disguised as dissent. Take another look at the messages that she is selling and think about it.

So you thought AJ was a COINTELPRO because he was fear mongering about Y2K and nothing happened.

If you can't see that there are actors playing key roles on all sides than you need to reevaluate your perception of reality. Do you really think the establishment would allow real leaders of dissent to rise up?

Further, beyond AJ's professional training, one of his roles is to function as the tip-of-the-spear for mainstream media. Once AJ puts a story out there then it's safe for someone like Michelle Malkin to quote from it as long as she quotes him as "Conpiracy theorist Internet Shock Jock." Once Michelle or similar "edgy" mainstream talking head has published it, it becomes safer for more mainstream players to run with it. It's a system....one must look at the players as they fit into their roles.

I mean whom should I fear more, Alex Jones and Naomi Wolf or the creeps mentioned above? I can say one thing: the creeps mentioned above sure fear Jones and Wolf which is why their minions are here to covertly support them.

These are critical times and false actors can be extremely damaging, especially to those who buy-into their message. I don't think anyone here is arguing that false actors should be feared more or less, I think what some people here are arguing is that people should engage actors with extreme skepticism, espcially when those actors are able to achieve significant market and distribution. I mean, if these people are truely "Unauthorized," then how in the heck to they operate on such a large scale?

Further, if you don't have training in psycholinguistics, then you really don't have the tools to argue your position with any merit. I mean, if you can't recognize the technique, then how can you make any analysis at all? You can't. You're working on emotion, not logic.

 

[Richandler]

Naomi Wolf needs to realize this other fact: We also essentially have 9/10 steps/requirements for a communist state. Funny how fascism and socialism/communism go hand-in-hand. And note: this isn't the first, second or even third time this has happened.

 

[Electric Church]

If you can't see that there are actors playing key roles on all sides than you need to reevaluate your perception of reality.

Further, if you don't have training in psycholinguistics, then you really don't have the tools to argue your position with any merit.

Yes …everyone’s an actor except for the anonymous 2-poster robandsally with the psycholinguistics training. Everyone else without this specialized training just shut up and let our 2-poster friend explain how the world works.

 

[Andrew-Austin]

I don't know a thing about Naomi, but Alex has always seemed genuine to me.

It is an interesting point to make, that they both COULD be trained in psycholinguistics. Definitely something to consider. (I've read about NLP some myself..)

Anyways, I posted this in the 9/11 thread and it is relevant in this thread:

I'm not going to state what I think of this issue, because it does not matter.

This is a Ron Paul forum. We should all embrace what we have in common (RP) instead of arguing about our differences. Truther or not surely you can agree that another investigation needs to be done, and if Ron Paul is elected that will be so.

 

[johngr]

So you thought AJ was a COINTELPRO because he was fear mongering about Y2K and nothing happened.

That was confirmed in your above 75 IQ mind because he was fear mongering about WTC attacks and something did happen.

Anyone with an IQ above 50 can see that when one comes to the same conclusion based upon opposite results means their assessments are worth a pile of garbage. Very COINTELPRO of you.

C'mon, you can do better that that.

In late July, 2001, Alex Jones predicted that there was going to be a false flag terrorism attack in order that the globalists could bring down America. He mentioned "CIA asset" Osama Bin Laden as "boogeyman" as well as blowing up airplanes and the World Trade Center in the same sentence. There are only three reasonable explanations for Alex Jones' foreknowledge of such specific details of the WTC attacks:

1. The OS is true. He had inside knowledge from Osama Bin Laden or someone who knew of his plot (I don't buy that for a minute) and blamed the US intel/gov't for some reason.

2. He's a psychic.

3. The people behind the attacks are different from those named in the OS. AJ was fed info from people who were connected to such people.

I obviously believe that #3 was the case -- in order to establish his credibility as a leader among the remnants of the patriot movement and the anti-government and conspiracy-minded folks. He took up Bill Cooper's mantle.

You seem to forget this exchange we had awhile back:

My take is that he's COINTELPRO and was fed the information to establish his credibility among conspiracy theorists and remnants of the patriot and militia movement. Bill Cooper (Jones' competition who was critical of his sensationalizing) was killed shortly after the attacks with in a gun battle with a sheriff. I think Bill was a useful idiot who was becoming a dangerous (to them) idiot, especially when he started to recognize that some of the alien stuff was faked.

Interesting. If that is true (the cointelpro thing) what is the ultimate point? To enumerate those that distrust the government?

I've heard Alex rant about illegal aliens, to the point of calling people to arms. I think some of his callers are not randomly selected and meant to stoke this anger. The tax-funded La Raza and Mecha are spewing similar invective to the other side and calling for a Marxist style revolution. I think that Alex Jones' mission might be that of a provacateur on a much larger scale than ever before.

Hmm, provoking people into violence plays into the government hands nicely because a) it gives them all the excuse they need to institute martial law and

b) it gives them all the excuse they need to lock up or kill those who care about the country but were whipped up into a violent frenzy...]

You obviously had a high enough IQ back then to figure it out back then. What changed? Why didn't you attack me and call me COINTELPRO then?

The way I look at it, any opposition leader that wants to expose the elite's dirty secrets who becomes popular and is allowed to continue pretty much has to be compromised or useful to the elite. If anyone is any real threat to them he'll get shut down. It's happened over and over again. I AJ weren't useful to TPTB, he wouldn't have a mike (or maybe even be alive (read: have ended up similar to Bill Cooper)).



BTW, here's someone else's take on AJ's over-the-top fearmongering from the Break For News forum that made sense to me:

The "Do Nothing" Vector, part 2: Martial Law and the Police State is
coming, how can we fight it? Or, "The Dear in Headlights" Vector.

A.J. and some of the other GCN broadcasters are great promulgators of
this vector. AJ will go into virtual crying episodes on-air as he spouts:
"we're in real trouble, folks.....I'll I want to do it go eat pizza, watch a
movie and blah blah blah." Just look at the names of AJ's web site and
videos for evidence of how they attempt to perpetrate this vectors:
"prisonplanet.com" and "Police State" video. They use fear wrapped up
in just-about-anything-that-sells in order to scare you into "doing
nothing."

 

[Andrew-Austin]

Wait... If Alex were some COINTELPRO fear monger, then why would he so unflinchingly support Ron Paul?

And I don't follow his site much but he sometimes seems hopeful.

 

[johngr]

Wait... If Alex were some COINTELPRO fear monger, then why would he so unflinchingly support Ron Paul?

And I don't follow his site much but he sometimes seems hopeful.

Whom else could he credibly support?

 

[Electric Church]

C'mon, you can do better that that.

There are only three reasonable explanations for Alex Jones' foreknowledge of such specific details of the WTC attacks:

I don't have to do better. Anyone who comes to the same conclusion based upon opposite results should be totally discredited either because they have way below average analytical abilities or because they’re what they accuse others of being: COINTELPRO

And there is a fourth reason that you didn’t mention; it’s called reading the available Intel.

With regard to Evildetector he can speak for himself. I am not evildetector but I can detect evil

 

[johngr]

I don't have to do better. Anyone who comes to the same conclusion based upon opposite results should be totally discredited either because they have way below average analytical abilities or because they’re what they accuse others of being: COINTELPRO

"Opposite results" is a narrow construction of yours that is rather weak, imo. Let me spell it out for you. Jones fearmongered the Y2K non-crisis. Jones implausibly accurately predicted the WTC attacks:

"Result" #1 Jones renders his cult members afraid. Bill Cooper on his radio show and his callers describe that well here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sweGpP82S0I Fearmongering and provacatuering are typical COINTELPRO activities.

"Result" #2 Jones establishes his bona fides with people in the patriot movement, with information from a dubious source, imo.

These "results" do not necessarily oppose each other.

And there is a fourth reason that you didn’t mention; it’s called reading the available Intel.

Intel that there was going to be an attack involving the WTC and blowing up airplanes!? Whom was this kind of intel available from? Who else was privy to it and who else made such a specific (as well as carefully worded and plausibly deniable) prediction about the WTC attacks?

 

[Malakai0]

Naomi is trying to spread a dangerous message to the mainstream media, that the bush administration and maybe others are planning on taking over the show at some point soon. She should be applauded by us and has very nice things to say about RP.

Quit hating on everyone who is not a dedicated RP supporter. It's getting tiresome.


The interview is absolutely fabulous, and if you listen to it you will see there is no way Wolf is corrupt. She just totally verified something most uninformed people would say is pure Alex Jones conspiracy theory. Ties to democrats don't make her part of some conspiracy...

As our friend in podcasting Adam Curry likes to say, this is red pill material.

 

[johngr]

Naomi is trying to spread a dangerous message to the mainstream media, that the bush administration and maybe others are planning on taking over the show at some point soon. She should be applauded by us and has very nice things to say about RP.

Quit hating on everyone who is not a dedicated RP supporter. It's getting tiresome.

Sorry, if I don't trust Hillary-supporting establishment members. Naomi Wolf is connected in the political stratosphere. She is in no danger whatsoever.

 

[robandsally]

Sorry, if I don't trust Hillary-supporting establishment members. Naomi Wolf is connected in the political stratosphere. She is in no danger whatsoever.

Agreed.

Johngr, we applaud your patience and diligence in this thread, but the scale of deception is simply too great for these posters to comprehend at this time. It's really hard to witness, but we've learned all one can do is walk away.....they will come back if and when they are ready to hear the message.

 

[Malakai0]

So you really think Alex Jones is a government plant then too? Man I'm normally on the other side of these convo's!

 

[johngr]

So you really think Alex Jones is a government plant then too? Man I'm normally on the other side of these convo's!

Dissident leaders who are a threats to TPTB tend to be silenced. If Jones had gotten his info about the coming 9/11/2001 attack from above-board sources, I don't believe he would have a microphone right now (and would be lucky to be alive).

 

[Electric Church]

You guys appear to be all alone flailing in the dark. Give it up, change usernames and start over again.

 

[robandsally]

You guys appear to be all alone flailing in the dark. Give it up, change usernames and start over again.

"When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic."
--Dresden James

"People only see what they are prepared to see."
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson

"If 50 million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing."
--Anatole France

"If you give a man the correct information for seven years, he may believe the incorrect information on the first day of the eighth year when it is necessary, from your point of view, that he should do so. Your first job is to build the credibility and the authenticity of your propaganda, and persuade the enemy to trust you although you are his enemy."
-- A Psychological Warfare Casebook Operations Research Office Johns Hopkins University Baltimore (1958)

 

[Electric Church]

www.infowars.com

 

[fireinme]

I have 2 propositions

1. If these people are plants then it is possible that they are pushing a message to mislead us (same as Y2k). They are saying the bush administration is it when it could very well be someone else.

2. My second and this is the one I like best. The enemy feeds people like Alex Jones information that is misleading in order to create something called "conspiracy theories" and thus give these people a bad name.

 

[Nicketas]

,.,.,.

 

[smartguy911]

Naomi Wolf is soooooooooooooooooooo HOT

**drooling**