Naomi Wolf: The End of America (Audio Interview) W/ Alex Jones

Two fakes having a love fest on air trying to scare the heck out of the American people.

I really wish people would wake up to the plethora of false actors in the mainstream and alternative media. This act is really getting old.
 
Two fakes having a love fest on air trying to scare the heck out of the American people.

I really wish people would wake up to the plethora of false actors in the mainstream and alternative media. This act is really getting old.

There's no doubt in my mind that Wolf is a shill, as I have said elsewhere http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=34678. She uses the subtle NLP technique of "pacing and leading", matching and mirroring what a segment the public is experiencing to gain rapport and then leading them in the direction she want them to go. Her job is to employ a disinfo technique that I call "purifying the swamp" by endorsing Hillary Clinton and making her a civil libertarian by association. She's a plagiarist, too, Her theme and indeed, the very number of steps are the same as in Allan Uthman's 2006 essay:

Allan Uthman, Buffalo Beast. May 26, 2006

Three of Wolf's steps are blatant ripoffs of Uthmans's steps (and many of the others build on Uthman's work without crediting him):

Uthman
2. "The Long War"

This little piece of clumsy marketing died off quickly, but it gave away what many already suspected: the War on Terror will never end, nor is it meant to end. It is designed to be perpetual. As with the War on Drugs, it outlines a goal that can never be fully attained -- as long as there are pissed off people and explosives. The Long War will eternally justify what are ostensibly temporary measures: suspension of civil liberties, military expansion, domestic spying, massive deficit spending and the like. This short-lived moniker told us all, "get used to it. Things aren't going to change any time soon."

Wolf
1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy

After we were hit on September 11 2001, we were in a state of national shock. Less than six weeks later, on October 26 2001, the USA Patriot Act was passed by a Congress that had little chance to debate it; many said that they scarcely had time to read it. We were told we were now on a "war footing"; we were in a "global war" against a "global caliphate" intending to "wipe out civilisation". There have been other times of crisis in which the US accepted limits on civil liberties, such as during the civil war, when Lincoln declared martial law, and the second world war, when thousands of Japanese-American citizens were interned. But this situation, as Bruce Fein of the American Freedom Agenda notes, is unprecedented: all our other wars had an endpoint, so the pendulum was able to swing back toward freedom; this war is defined as open-ended in time and without national boundaries in space - the globe itself is the battlefield. "This time," Fein says, "there will be no defined end."

Creating a terrifying threat - hydra-like, secretive, evil - is an old trick. It can, like Hitler's invocation of a communist threat to the nation's security, be based on actual events (one Wisconsin academic has faced calls for his dismissal because he noted, among other things, that the alleged communist arson, the Reichstag fire of February 1933, was swiftly followed in Nazi Germany by passage of the Enabling Act, which replaced constitutional law with an open-ended state of emergency). Or the terrifying threat can be based, like the National Socialist evocation of the "global conspiracy of world Jewry", on myth.

It is not that global Islamist terrorism is not a severe danger; of course it is. I am arguing rather that the language used to convey the nature of the threat is different in a country such as Spain - which has also suffered violent terrorist attacks - than it is in America. Spanish citizens know that they face a grave security threat; what we as American citizens believe is that we are potentially threatened with the end of civilisation as we know it. Of course, this makes us more willing to accept restrictions on our freedoms.

Uthman
4. Prison Camps

This last January the Army Corps of Engineers gave Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg Brown & Root nearly $400 million to build detention centers in the United States, for the purpose of unspecified "new programs." Of course, the obvious first guess would be that these new programs might involve rounding up Muslims or political dissenters -- I mean, obviously detention facilities are there to hold somebody. I wish I had more to tell you about this, but it's, you know... secret.

Wolf
2. Create a gulag

Once you have got everyone scared, the next step is to create a prison system outside the rule of law (as Bush put it, he wanted the American detention centre at Guantánamo Bay to be situated in legal "outer space") - where torture takes place.

At first, the people who are sent there are seen by citizens as outsiders: troublemakers, spies, "enemies of the people" or "criminals". Initially, citizens tend to support the secret prison system; it makes them feel safer and they do not identify with the prisoners. But soon enough, civil society leaders - opposition members, labour activists, clergy and journalists - are arrested and sent there as well.

Uthman
7. Warrantless Wiretapping

Amazingly, the GOP sees this issue as a plus for them. How can this be? What are you, stupid? You find out the government is listening to the phone calls of US citizens, without even the weakest of judicial oversight and you think that's okay? Come on -- if you know anything about history, you know that no government can be trusted to handle something like this responsibly. One day they're listening for Osama, and the next they're listening in on Howard Dean.

Think about it: this administration hates unauthorized leaks. With no judicial oversight, why on earth wouldn't they eavesdrop on, say, Seymour Hersh, to figure out who's spilling the beans? It's a no-brainer. Speaking of which, it bears repeating: terrorists already knew we would try to spy on them. They don't care if we have a warrant or not. But you should.

Wolf

4. Set up an internal surveillance system

In Mussolini's Italy, in Nazi Germany, in communist East Germany, in communist China - in every closed society - secret police spy on ordinary people and encourage neighbours to spy on neighbours. The Stasi needed to keep only a minority of East Germans under surveillance to convince a majority that they themselves were being watched.

In 2005 and 2006, when James Risen and Eric Lichtblau wrote in the New York Times about a secret state programme to wiretap citizens' phones, read their emails and follow international financial transactions, it became clear to ordinary Americans that they, too, could be under state scrutiny.

In closed societies, this surveillance is cast as being about "national security"; the true function is to keep citizens docile and inhibit their activism and dissent.
 
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There's no doubt in my mind that Wolf is a shill, as I have said elsewhere http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=34678. She uses the subtle NLP technique of "pacing and leading", matching and mirroring what a segment the public is experiencing to gain rapport and then leading them in the direction she want them to go. Her job is to employ a disinfo technique that I call "purifying the swamp" by endorsing Hillary Clinton and making her a civil libertarian by association.
Johngr, nice to see someone on this forum actually observing and thinking. Now, use your same powers of observation and analysis to analyze the interviewer in that interview, you will be fascinated and come to the same conclusion, if you haven't already - your "puryfying the swamp" meme fits well with this actor's supposed support of RP.
 
Alex Jones has been interviewing Ron Paul for years and years
 
johngr, I can understand your suspicion about Naomi Wolf, but to what is she leading? She doesn't make a good job to promote Hillary Clinton imho, Clinton doesn't need that help for the nomination, and if civil liberties become an election issue Paul blows everyone out of the water.
About NLP olol I was curious because I had heard that somewhere and checked it out. Its called ...ehm.. communications? I guess you can make a science out of everything. But really, all this things are pretty basic stuff in talking and making friends and allies. You have to find common ground!? I didn't know that!
Sry john for insulting you if you're into that. But from the short views I got the impression that people thinks it's magic or they have found the holy grail for manipulating people, when its not. Now I know when another guy tells me complete bullshit and grins at me like he has won, he tried NLP on me.
 
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AJ = fear mongering shill.
Considering America is at step 9 out of the 10 steps to becoming a fascist state, Alex Jones, Naomi Wolf, Ron Paul, etc are all the true true heros of America.

Anyone who hasn't realised this yet needs to stop taking Blue Pills...
 
Why do you guys not like Jones or Wolf? I don't agree with Jones on everything, and I don't know much about Wolf (though I heard she doesn't like capitalism), but this is America, and they are preaching many truths that aren't being spoken about in the public.

I'm thinking about buying her book, should I?
 
Why do you guys not like Jones or Wolf? I don't agree with Jones on everything, and I don't know much about Wolf (though I heard she doesn't like capitalism), but this is America, and they are preaching many truths that aren't being spoken about in the public.

I'm thinking about buying her book, should I?

All I know is the more information you can absorb with the least amount of prejidice or Bias, the more informed analysis you can make of the information presented.

Alex Jones backs up most his information with FACTS. The problem that most people have with Alex Jones is when the FACTS are analysed, it scares the crap out of most people and this is for a good reason. You should have the crap scared out of you when you find out what's really going on.
 
Johngr, nice to see someone on this forum actually observing and thinking. Now, use your same powers of observation and analysis to analyze the interviewer in that interview, you will be fascinated and come to the same conclusion, if you haven't already - your "puryfying the swamp" meme fits well with this actor's supposed support of RP.

I have thought AJ was COINTELPRO ever since Bill Cooper called him on his Y2K fearmongering. It was confirmed in my mind with his warning with specific details about false flag terror 2 months before the WTC attacks. The "swamp" in my expression as applied there refers to Hillary. It does not apply to Ron Paul. Even if Ron Paul were "one of them" there are too few to matter, who think that he is anything other than honorable. I've seen no one attack his motives, his record or his personal history (aside from that newsletter thing that went nowhere).
 
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johngr, I can understand your suspicion about Naomi Wolf, but to what is she leading? She doesn't make a good job to promote Hillary Clinton imho, Clinton doesn't need that help for the nomination, and if civil liberties become an election issue Paul blows everyone out of the water.

It's obvious to anyone with an IQ above 75 that people are very upset about the erosion of civil liberties. That's Wolf's "pacing" part. Naomi Wolf is not so much promoting Hillary Clinton as she is leading people bent to the left who are concerned about the issue, Pied Piper-like to Hillary. She definitely does "promote" the phony left-right distinction and most important and disturbing, she endorses Clinton. That's enough to convince me. It doesn't add up --or das pack ich nicht.

About NLP olol I was curious because I had heard that somewhere and checked it out. Its called ...ehm.. communications? I guess you can make a science out of everything. But really, all this things are pretty basic stuff in talking and making friends and allies. You have to find common ground!? I didn't know that!
Sry john for insulting you if you're into that. But from the short views I got the impression that people thinks it's magic or they have found the holy grail for manipulating people, when its not. Now I know when another guy tells me complete bullshit and grins at me like he has won, he tried NLP on me.

I have had some training in NLP, enough to know that it works, that it's meant to work outside awareness and to notice when newsreaders and politicans seem to use it. I've seen it often and obviously enough (to someone trained in it) to convince me that they're not doing it unconsciously.

Considering America is at step 9 out of the 10 steps to becoming a fascist state, Alex Jones, Naomi Wolf, Ron Paul, etc are all the true true heros of America.

Anyone who hasn't realised this yet needs to stop taking Blue Pills...
In Wolf's talks I hear a lot of (certainly well-deserved) blame for the majority of Republican executives and legislators but little for the Quisling Democrats (esp. Lieberman, whom she campaigned for) that went along with all the bullshit.

Naomi Wolf is a Rhodes scholar (CFR). She was a high-level consultant on Clinton's reelection campaign as well as on the Gore/Lieberman campaign (Leiberman, you know the guy who's on about "Islamofascists" and is just fine with the Patriot Act, Homeland Security, et. al.). I think "The end of America" is an odd title for someone who helped get reelected someone who was directly responsible for its deconstruction. Clinton presided over an unprecedented expansion of the Federal police state, not to mention the incineration of the children Waco compound, the Randy Weaver siege and this

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I've never heard her repudiate Bill Clinton's initiatives with federal grants to local police departments that went a long way toward militarizing them tactically, equipment-wise and culturally. Her ilk has no problem with police state tactics or an unprovoked attack on a sovereign nation (the run-up to which which was equally based on blatant lies), so long as the targets are "right wing extremists", "gun nuts" refugees from Communist dictators, or nations that are "too white" and want to stay that way and want to run their own currency and banking.
 
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Thanks John for the insightful answer. The one-dimensional political view of Naomi Wolf always disturbed me, but I thought she was trapped in that belief like many others. The facts about the ties to the democratic party you posted may explain alot. Ever heard of her view of the second amendment? If i understood her right its very Hamilton, just that the States should have a militia/army under the control of the people.

"or das packt nicht" :D I would say that the right form is "das pack ich nicht" and "das packst (du) nicht", which means either not being able to do something or comprehend something or "it does'nt add up" or "blows your mind", first and second person (the explanation is for others).

About NLP, more people should be aware of that. I think I react allergic to this stuff because I'm so sick of bullshit, talking without real content.

(I tried to include a Viennese Slang word or phrase in my post, but nothing appropriate came to my mind)
 
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Thanks John for the insightful answer. The one-dimensional political view of Naomi Wolf always disturbed me, but I thought she was trapped in that belief like many others. The facts about the ties to the democratic party you posted may explain alot. Ever heard of her view of the second amendment? If i understood her right its very Hamilton, just that the States should have a militia/army under the control of the people.

"or das packt nicht" :D I would say that the right form is "das pack ich nicht" and "das packst (du) nicht", which means either not being able to do something or comprehend something or "it does'nt add up" or "blows your mind", first and second person (the explanation is for others).

About NLP, more people should be aware of that. I think I react allergic to this stuff because I'm so sick of bullshit, talking without real content.

She gave a magazine interview where she reluctantly changed her position and supported the 2nd Amendment. It's a no-cost concession and I take it in the context of everything else I have seen of her as a calculated position. Opposition to gun-grabbing is certainly not a central part of her dissidence.

I studied German only a year and visited Vienna in '93 so I've forgotten much, unfortunately. :( I guess my attempt at using NLP on you failed miserably. :)
 
I have thought AJ was COINTELPRO ever since Bill Cooper called him on his Y2K fearmongering. It was confirmed in my mind with his warning with specific details about false flag terror 2 months before the WTC attacks.

So you thought AJ was a COINTELPRO because he was fear mongering about Y2K and nothing happened.

That was confirmed in your above 75 IQ mind because he was fear mongering about WTC attacks and something did happen.

Anyone with an IQ above 50 can see that when one comes to the same conclusion based upon opposite results means their assessments are worth a pile of garbage. Very COINTELPRO of you.
 
Naomi Wolf often opens by saying our democracy is under attack. It's hard to take her too seriously after that, because we don't live in a democracy. Never have.

If she is so wrong about something as fundamental as the system of government we live under, I have to question her overall intellectual judgment. If she does understand that we are a republic and not a democracy, she needs to stop misleading and/or dumbing it down with 'democracy'.
 
I have a lot of trouble believing people to be true Ron Paul supporters when they use a Ron Paul form to put people down who attack the mainstream establishment.

Wouldn't one's energies be best served by putting down those individuals who support the mainstream establishment? You know, the real cockroaches like Bush, Cheney, Giuliani, Clinton, Rockefeller, Pearle, Bernanke, Wolfowitz, Paulson, Brzezinski, Gore, Romney, Gonzalez, just to name a few…. Unless that is, they really are in support of the mainstream establishment.

I mean whom should I fear more, Alex Jones and Naomi Wolf or the creeps mentioned above? I can say one thing: the creeps mentioned above sure fear Jones and Wolf which is why their minions are here to covertly support them.
 
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