Nails in the Coffin of the "Newletters Issue"

[Maverick]

No, Ron Paul supporters need to know, so they can run an adequate defense against MSM propaganda BS online.
I just found about this tonight from another website that has many Ron Paul supporters too, to me it's good news that gives us a good defense of Ron IF we need it.
It made me sick to see Ron Paul slandered, but I really couldn't say anything other than they are lying.
Now if somebody says something, you post this video and the compassion video, case closed, game over.

We already know. This shit isn't new.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?346732-Update-from-Ben-Swann-regarding-Newsletter-Part-II-of-quot-Reality-Check-quot

Go there if you feel the need to continue to prattle on about this.

 

[ProBlue33]

See it got moved to "Hot Topics".
Not all of us log in every time we visit RPF and you can't see Hot Topics.
I guess the class of 07 is kicked to the curb this round.
Oh well I tried

 

[DealzOnWheelz]

I'm on ProBlue's side with this......When Ron Paul's supporters are already branded conspiracy theorist(although I prefer the term documented factualist) and we get hit with the racist smear all we can say is they are lying, the msm is smearing him; it only reinforces peoples belief's that we are conspiracy theorists.


Without the knowledge of this we cannot do much; Knowing is half the battle; He isn't saying we should drudge this video & spread it allover the internet; but keep it in your back pocket & readily available if need be

 

[coffeewithgames]

I'm on ProBlue's side with this......When Ron Paul's supporters are already branded conspiracy theorist(although I prefer the term documented factualist) and we get hit with the racist smear all we can say is they are lying, the msm is smearing him; it only reinforces peoples belief's that we are conspiracy theorists.


Without the knowledge of this we cannot do much; Knowing is half the battle; He isn't saying we should drudge this video & spread it allover the internet; but keep it in your back pocket & readily available if need be

I looked, and looked, and LOOKED, for quotes to use in RP's defense on the race card issue...but had no luck finding any 2-3 weeks ago. I agree though, this video is in my pocket if needed.

 

[itsnobody]

We have to address this issue, it will definitely come up again whether we like it or not.

 

[ProBlue33]

I'm on ProBlue's side with this......When Ron Paul's supporters are already branded conspiracy theorist(although I prefer the term documented factualist) and we get hit with the racist smear all we can say is they are lying, the msm is smearing him; it only reinforces peoples belief's that we are conspiracy theorists.


Without the knowledge of this we cannot do much; Knowing is half the battle; He isn't saying we should drudge this video & spread it allover the internet; but keep it in your back pocket & readily available if need be

Thank You
This is the point I am trying to make, yes let the Newsletters die, but don't let any future internet or MSM slander against Ron Paul go unchallenged, fight it with the facts we have at our disposal. Which is what this thread is about. Too bad it was knocked down to hot topics.

EDIT: Now I see it's back in Grassroots, thank you to whoever moved it back.

 

[KingNothing]

The document is right here: https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...OWMzNy00ZmZlLWI1MDUtNWQ4ZDA1ZTIxYTdi&hl=en_US

Sigh.

You didn't actually read that, did you?

These are SERIOUS charges you're throwing at someone. Don't you think you should at least read what we know he wrote before you make such a claim?

 

[jmdrake]

See it got moved to "Hot Topics".
Not all of us log in every time we visit RPF and you can't see Hot Topics.
I guess the class of 07 is kicked to the curb this round.
Oh well I tried

Looks like it's in "Grassroots" now. Anyhow, the Ben Swann "reality check" videos have been consistently helpful to Dr. Paul and this one is no exception. I don't know what's with this hyper defense over this Powell guy. I could understand defending Lew Rockwell when folks thought he was the author. Powell isn't a household name even in the liberty movement. While I don't think anyone should be randomly smeared as being "racist", sending a private email asking someone to "fall on his sword" is not the same thing as smearing that person as a racist. Anyhow, he are my personal observations.

1) The newsletter smear will come up again if Ron Paul moves into 1st place in any state. Remember how it came up in full force last time because he was ahead in Iowa? And yes it did hurt us, though not to bad. (We went from 1st to 3rd but still got the same number of delegates).

2) The content of this newsletter is not quite "racist", but it leans that way. I mean come on people. "Urban" is a euphemism these days for "black". And to single out Maxine Waters statement of "no justice no peace" as some kind of call for violence is beyond the pale of irresponsible journalism.

3) Not everybody knows about something just because it was posted in some other thread and talked about a lot.

4) The most important thing about the Ben Swann report is not who did write it but who DIDN'T write it! As long as we can make a solid case that someone else wrote the non-economic parts of Dr. Paul's newsletter, and that there were so many issues of it that Ron couldn't be expected to fully police it, we when.

 

[jmdrake]

Sigh.

You didn't actually read that, did you?

These are SERIOUS charges you're throwing at someone. Don't you think you should at least read what we know he wrote before you make such a claim?

1) I read them. Multiple times.

2) Some people here at RPF don't even think the worst of the newsletters are racist.

3) This ain't about leveling charges as Powell. It's about creating reasonable doubt for Paul. And this is reasonable doubt. Powell's writing style and content are closer to the "racist" stuff than Paul's. He's more likely than Paul to have been the author. Or there could have been some other "mystery writer". Don't know, don't care.

 

[HigherVision]

"The content of this newsletter is not quite "racist", but it leans that way. I mean come on people. "Urban" is a euphemism these days for "black"."

Or it could be the fact that the majority of crime goes down in urban places. But I guess we shouldn't talk about that. Maybe we shouldn't talk about poverty any more either, maybe that's also racist. This line of thinking just goes to show how 'political correctness' destroys reason. Non-criminal black people, just like non-criminals of all races, aren't too crazy about the possibility of being the victims of crime either.

 

[jmdrake]

"The content of this newsletter is not quite "racist", but it leans that way. I mean come on people. "Urban" is a euphemism these days for "black"."

Or it could be the fact that the majority of crime goes down in urban places. But I guess we shouldn't talk about that. Maybe we shouldn't talk about poverty any more either, maybe that's also racist. This line of thinking just goes to show how 'political correctness' destroys reason. Non-criminal black people, just like non-criminals of all races, aren't too crazy about the possibility of being the victims of crime either.

Trying to say that the head of the CBC was calling for violence simply because she said "no justice no peace" is beyond just being "non-PC". I was trying to be polite, but I'll take the gloves off. That's racist. Or in the very least incredibly stupid. It's no better than "journalists" in the MSM saying Ron is "blaming America" for 9/11. You want to defend this kind of crap journalism? Fine. Whatever. I'll stick with trying to get Ron Paul elected.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

My take on the newsletters is as it was four years ago when this first came up.

1) I myself subscribed to them twenty-odd years ago, and as a black person I didn't find them racist at all. 4-5 abrasive, locker-room like quips out of thousands of comments does not make for a genuine controversy. The newsletter editorials were not "journalism" even broadly speaking, so the the equivalent of after-five, forum like banter found in them shouldn't be called a "lapse" in reporting, as there were no journalistic airs intended in the first place.

2) Whoever wrote them in the past was already dealt with in the past for the questionable sentences, so trotting out his name and re-punishing him after all this time serves no purpose, except for the media establishment to afterwards preen that it forced Paul to do so. The whole phony flap has simply been a power play to get the insurgent establishment represented by Paul and the liberty movement to bow down and accept the PC crowd's taboos. Do it once, and they'll have him do it a thousand times, like a kidnapper who keeps upping the ramsom.

 

[KingNothing]

"The content of this newsletter is not quite "racist", but it leans that way. I mean come on people. "Urban" is a euphemism these days for "black"."

Or it could be the fact that the majority of crime goes down in urban places. But I guess we shouldn't talk about that. Maybe we shouldn't talk about poverty any more either, maybe that's also racist. This line of thinking just goes to show how 'political correctness' destroys reason. Non-criminal black people, just like non-criminals of all races, aren't too crazy about the possibility of being the victims of crime either.

Say what?

Problems happen in urban areas, especially when society breaks down, because that's where the most people are. "Urban" isn't secret racist code for "black" in this news letter - it's just saying what anyone who has ever seen an End of the World or Zombie Apocalypse movie knows. You don't want to be in big cities when poop hits the fan.

 

[jmdrake]

Say what?

Problems happen in urban areas, especially when society breaks down, because that's where the most people are. "Urban" isn't secret racist code for "black" in this news letter - it's just saying what anyone who has ever seen an End of the World or Zombie Apocalypse movie knows. You don't want to be in big cities when poop hits the fan.

It ain't a "secret codeword". It's a euphemism. I tell you what, turn on any self identified "urban radio" station and see what kind of music is played. And again I didn't just point that out, I also pointed out the smear against Maxine Waters which was just as bad as any smear that's been leveled against Ron Paul. I'm no Waters fan, but to suggest she was inciting violence is beyond the realm of ridiculous.

 

[FreeTraveler]

People will smear anybody if they think it will make this issue go away. The newsletter linked above, authored by James B. Powell, is no more proof that he wrote the newsletters, and just as big a smear, as what's been done to Dr. Paul.

If this was the "smoking gun," don't you know that someone in the campaign or RevPac would have revealed it long ago?

Before smearing somebody else, ask yourself this.

WWRPD?