NAGR is the enemy of gun rights in North Carolina

[Matt Collins]

Straight out of the NAGR playbook (and following what they’ve done in Mississippi and elsewhere)

Oh you mean like actually making Constitutional Carry law?

 

[phill4paul]

I don't know anything about them... are they willing to force a full recorded floor vote on Constitutional Carry?

Perhaps that is the whole problem. NCGR moved into GRNC space without even....consulting? Didn't call them on the phone? No? They were just going to adopt the acronym and start shit? Does that sound like a winning plan? Or does it seem like a sleazy money grabbing slime.
As a Cackalackian it seems pretty sleazy money grabbing operation to me.
So tell me, if these guys are so good why is the word spreading that they are shysters?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I don't know anything about them... are they willing to force a full recorded floor vote on Constitutional Carry?

No shit you don't know anything about them. And yet you accused them of being anti gun. That should be all any rational person needs to know about you.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Oh you mean like actually making Constitutional Carry law?

No.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Perhaps that is the whole problem. NCGR moved into GRNC space without even....consulting? Didn't call them on the phone? No? They were just going to adopt the acronym and start shit? Does that sound like a winning plan? Or does it seem like a sleazy money grabbing slime.
As a Cackalackian it seems pretty sleazy money grabbing operation to me.
So tell me, if these guys are so good why is the word spreading that they are shysters?

Well they pissed me off pretty good but now that Matt Collins has compounded it I will be devoting my 2nd Amendment speech to the NCRLC tomorrow night to exposing these criminals as the enemies of NC gun owners they are.

 

[phill4paul]

Well they pissed me off pretty good but now that Matt Collins has compounded it I will be devoting my 2nd Amendment speech to the NCRLC tomorrow night to exposing these criminals as the enemies of NC gun owners they are.

I'm going to get something condensed together and send to social media friends. This shit just pisses me off.

 

[Matt Collins]

No shit you don't know anything about them. And yet you accused them of being anti gun. That should be all any rational person needs to know about you.

Answer the question: are they willing to force a full recorded roll call vote to the floor? Yes, or no?

 

[Matt Collins]

Perhaps that is the whole problem. NCGR moved into GRNC space without even....consulting?

This statement presupposes that GRNC has some sort of monopoly or ownership over the pro-gun rights movement in NC.

Didn't call them on the phone?

Honestly, no, they probably didn't. And when I worked there I did encourage them to do more outreach like that in order to prevent or at least minimize butthurt like this. See my next line below:

So tell me, if these guys are so good why is the word spreading that they are shysters?

Because people get emotional when the professionals move in after years and years of doing the same thing. It's like a band that suddenly becomes popular and mainstream, the original fan base accuses them of selling out. It's just human nature. People have vested interests in keeping their little fiefdom and are tribal and territorial.


That being said, even if NAGR did do some grassroots warming up in advance, as I recommended when I worked there, it probably wouldn't change some people's attitudes because of the jealousy aspect (see Gunny). I had the same problem in WV with the locals too though.

I guess over the years they have found it better just to not pre-warn the local groups that they are setting up shop so that the local groups get less advance notice to be able to undermine their efforts.

 

[Matt Collins]

Well they pissed me off pretty good but now that Matt Collins has compounded it I will be devoting my 2nd Amendment speech to the NCRLC tomorrow night to exposing these criminals as the enemies of NC gun owners they are.

LOL, I am sure that will make a huge difference ha ha ha

 

[phill4paul]

This statement presupposes that GRNC has some sort of monopoly or ownership over the pro-gun rights movement in NC.

They are the local/state advocates. Glen made clear the situation. To steal an acronym and make the local grass roots org. seem like bad guys is going to fail. And I'm going to help it fail.[/QUOTE]

Have fun. I'm spreading the word. And those I know will spread the word.

 

[Matt Collins]

To steal an acronym and make the local grass roots org. seem like bad guys is going to fail. And I'm going to help it fail.

You have no clue how things work. NAGR's list is at LEAST 10 times bigger than the list that the local group has, guaranteed.


Nice to see you being a traitor to the cause of freedom though.

 

[Matt Collins]

To steal an acronym and make the local grass roots org. seem like bad guys is going to fail. And I'm going to help it fail.

You have no clue how things work. NAGR's list is at LEAST 10 times bigger than the list that the local group has, guaranteed.


Nice to see you being a traitor to the cause of freedom though.

 

[pcosmar]

You have no clue how things work. NAGR's list is at LEAST 10 times bigger than the list that the local group has, guaranteed.

Oh,, you know something about lists of donors?

 

[phill4paul]

You have no clue how things work. NAGR's list is at LEAST 10 times bigger than the list that the local group has, guaranteed.


Nice to see you being a traitor to the cause of freedom though.

Oh,, you know something about lists of donors?

If you call a man that conceals, and open carries, without a license or government approve a traitor then I think you need to re-define your definition of "traitor." Stay the fuck out of my state Matt. I'm pretty sure at this point your affiliations just hit a brick wall.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Answer the question: are they willing to force a full recorded roll call vote to the floor? Yes, or no?

You obviously do not know how the North Carolina General Assembly even works. Which is even more evidence that you and your shit-stack ilk need to stay the fk out of North Carolina.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

This statement presupposes that GRNC has some sort of monopoly or ownership over the pro-gun rights movement in NC.




Honestly, no, they probably didn't. And when I worked there I did encourage them to do more outreach like that in order to prevent or at least minimize butthurt like this. See my next line below:


Because people get emotional when the professionals move in after years and years of doing the same thing. It's like a band that suddenly becomes popular and mainstream, the original fan base accuses them of selling out. It's just human nature. People have vested interests in keeping their little fiefdom and are tribal and territorial.


That being said, even if NAGR did do some grassroots warming up in advance, as I recommended when I worked there, it probably wouldn't change some people's attitudes because of the jealousy aspect (see Gunny). I had the same problem in WV with the locals too though.

Bullshit. You obviously do not have the first clue about what motivates me. Your constant inaccurate speculation about my jealousy or my drunkenness further demonstrates that you are talking out of your ass.

I guess over the years they have found it better just to not pre-warn the local groups that they are setting up shop so that the local groups get less advance notice to be able to undermine their efforts.

Or they are just grubbing for money against a convenient target, and have discovered that sneak attacks and claiming credit for what they had nothing to do with work better than trying to fool the people who have actually been in the trenches for decades.

 

[Matt Collins]

Bullshit. You obviously do not have the first clue about what motivates me. Your constant inaccurate speculation about my jealousy or my drunkenness further demonstrates that you are talking out of your ass

Actions speak louder than words

 

[Matt Collins]

You obviously do not know how the North Carolina General Assembly even works. Which is even more evidence that you and your shit-stack ilk need to stay the fk out of North Carolina.

In the House rule #39 and in the Senate rule #47. While a discharge in the Senate is not possible unless someone in leadership is on your side, it is possible in the House.


Barring a discharge petition, make a motion to amend a bill on the floor with Constitutional Carry language. If they rule it non-germane then challenge the decision of the chair with a roll call vote. That is the recorded vote for or against ConCarry. Or one could simply push to suspend the rules in order to bring a bill to the floor. That is also the recorded vote you need. Either way, you then have a nice list of legislators who are for and against ConCarry. Procedural votes count too.


Do I have to spell everything out for you?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

In the House rule #39 and in the Senate rule #47. While a discharge in the Senate is not possible unless someone in leadership is on your side, it is possible in the House.


Barring a discharge petition, make a motion to amend a bill on the floor with Constitutional Carry language. If they rule it non-germane then challenge the decision of the chair with a roll call vote. That is the recorded vote for or against ConCarry. Or one could simply push to suspend the rules in order to bring a bill to the floor. That is also the recorded vote you need. Either way, you then have a nice list of legislators who are for and against ConCarry. Procedural votes count too.


Do I have to spell everything out for you?

First, just because something is possible in the rules does not mean it is possible in reality. I had the Speaker Pro Tem on my Discharge Petition for the NC Jobs Bill in 2011 *AND* I had the necessary signatures, but in reality, the Speaker runs things and does WTF he wants.

Second, North Carolina does not allow off-topic amendments, and the Bill Sponsor must approve any amendment that changes the title. There is no appeal.

Again you have no clue WTF you are talking about, neither did Reilly O'Neil, and neither does NAGR. If any of you lot had two brain cells to rub together you would have sought local allies up front who understand the political landscape in North Carolina. Instead, you will continue to fail, you will continue to set back liberty in NC with your ham-handed thumb-fingered ignorance.

But what's even worse than your ignorance, is your prideful ignorance. You lot keep coming to NC and sticking your dicks in, getting them chopped off, and then trying to blame the people like me who told you that you were doing it wrong.

Honestly I wouldn't even care that your people kept discrediting themselves except they are eroding the very real and thus-far successful long term plans that we have been enacting.

How about you and your kind stay the Fk out of North Carolina where you have no clue what is going on or how to get things done, and stop hindering those of us who DO know from actually doing it eh?

 

[CPUd]

Second, North Carolina does not allow off-topic amendments, and the Bill Sponsor must approve any amendment that changes the title. There is no appeal.

This seems like something that could solve a lot of problems in the US House.