Nader Spills the Beans! "Ron Paul was pacing..."

[ceakins]

this makes me so angry/sad! I hate bob barr and his paid shills on this forum for even HOPING that we will vote for that douche after what he did to Ron Paul. No one should get away with backstabbing such a good man. I was at the press conference by the way, and RP was pissed. I have met him like 5 times and he wasnt saying anything, just signed my "Man, Economy, and State", although I didnt really notice at the time that anything significant was wrong. The most maddening thing looking back was that the only question asked by the only establishment journalist there was "does this barr snub show signs of disunity?". They asked this before anyone knew anything about why Barr didn't show. Makes you wonder...

Paid shills? Go fuck yourself, I've spent hundreds of dollars donating money and time to Ron Paul, I'm pushing the libertarian party because it's good thing if they get a high percentage vote. You aren't the only one that's met him multiple times, I have too. The man fucked the movement plain and simple, he dropped his principles to endorse a candidate and by extension a party that isn't pro-liberty.

 

[ceakins]

Have you read this 2005 interview?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2005/111205totalitariandanger.htm

Of course not, the morons voting for Baldwin want to attack him, and claim he's a neo-con, even though he changed his fucking stances long before the goddamn presidential race.

 

[ceakins]

maybe barr would have received more forgiveness had his staff not praised george bush and slandered paul afterwords

Source or STFU.

 

[Kade]

I don't need anything but my personal knowledge of Bob Candy Barr. I lived in Cobb County most of my life, up to my first year of College. I know him well, and I hate him.

Simply put, this is a man that the LP targeted specifically because of his belligerence for the Constitution and Freedoms.

Simply put, this is Bob Barr's Revenge on the LP, and you morons are falling for it.

Enjoy.

 

[ceakins]

I don't need anything but my personal knowledge of Bob Candy Barr. I lived in Cobb County most of my life, up to my first year of College. I know him well, and I hate him.

Simply put, this is a man that the LP targeted specifically because of his belligerence for the Constitution and Freedoms.

Simply put, this is Bob Barr's Revenge on the LP, and you morons are falling for it.

Enjoy.

Revenge? Your argument makes no logical sense, well neither does voting for Baldwin if you truly believe in liberty.

 

[acptulsa]

Revenge? Your argument makes no logical sense, well neither does voting for Baldwin if you truly believe in liberty.

He says the LP split Barr's conservative vote, he lost a seat, he became a Libertarian rather suddenly and he adopted some issues designed to piss libertarians off and finally, publicly and purposely dissed Ron Paul to scuttle the party.

What the hell is hard to understand about this theory? Where are the holes in it?

 

[Magicman]

Paid shills? Go fuck yourself, I've spent hundreds of dollars donating money and time to Ron Paul, I'm pushing the libertarian party because it's good thing if they get a high percentage vote. You aren't the only one that's met him multiple times, I have too. The man fucked the movement plain and simple, he dropped his principles to endorse a candidate and by extension a party that isn't pro-liberty.

I agree there must've been paid shills that's why CNN was obsessed with the reaction from the boards and also put the reaction of their shills starting topics it on their program.

They were probably testing the reaction from Ron Paul supporters over the issue, and thought this was a divisive plan.

 

[ceakins]

He says the LP split Barr's conservative vote, he lost a seat, he became a Libertarian rather suddenly and he adopted some issues designed to piss libertarians off and finally, publicly and purposely dissed Ron Paul to scuttle the party.

What the hell is hard to understand about this theory? Where are the holes in it?

Really then explain why back in 2005 Barr was giving bush shit over the Iraq War. So suddenly to you is 3 years?

 

[gls]

Source or STFU.

http://www.independentpoliticalrepo...leadership-criticizes-ron-paul-and-followers/

 

[ceakins]

http://www.independentpoliticalrepo...leadership-criticizes-ron-paul-and-followers/

Dear Friend,

Before I move forward with an important report for today, I would like to recognize and remember the 2,819 men and women who lost their lives seven years ago. As a result of the attacks of September 11th, Americans came together, setting aside differences in order mourn our shared losses and assist our neighbors in need.

May we never forget . . .

In times of crisis, strength in leadership requires boldness of character, clear direction and firm resolve. As we witnessed after the attacks of September 11th, President George W. Bush showed incredible leadership as he stood atop a fire truck amidst the rubble of the twin towers to rally America.

While the quality of leadership is rare enough, principled leaders are few and far between. Those who do appear to posses the traits necessary to lead, for reasons only known to themselves, frequently choose not to stand on principle.

Tell me, what is untrue about that statement?

 

[acptulsa]

Really then explain why back in 2005 Barr was giving bush shit over the Iraq War. So suddenly to you is 3 years?

Can't say exactly what part of the time frame between him leaving Congress in early 2003 and this date in 2005 he used to "see the light". But considering how difficult it has been for me to get people to look clearly and rationally at some of their most valued and closely held delusions, yes I do think two and a half years is pretty sudden. Assuming it took that long.

And the defining moment of his life during that time was the LP doing something that had to piss him off.

Fortunately, it doesn't matter. I don't think this is the LP's year and I don't think it would otherwise have been their year. And, despite what do appear to be Barr's best efforts, I don't think it will be the end of the LP.

 

[georgiaboy]

Third party is the only place conservatives have this cycle. McBailout sealed it.

Barr's got a handle on the major policies (night/day compared w/McBailout-Obailout) coupled with name recognition and wide ballot access. Plus he's a former Republican, which for lots of conservative voters is actually an asset - gives him street cred vs. the 'loony libertarians'. For these same folks, distancing himself somewhat from "loony" Ron Paul, and definitely Nader & MicKinney, is a good thing.

Expect big numbers for Barr this year. LP members who don't vote for Barr because of something as ultimately inconsequential as a press conference no-show gaffe must be some kinda crazy not to jump on this bandwagon.

I'm a Republican, and I'll be pulling levers for LP both for president and senator, and possibly further down ticket. Why on earth LP members wouldn't seize this opportunity to try and ensure future success against the duopoly - wow.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

Really then explain why back in 2005 Barr was giving bush shit over the Iraq War. So suddenly to you is 3 years?

Being part of the EX-SLEAZE U.S. Government... you have to understand MISINFORMATION and DISIMFORMATION.

Very well conjured up and polished "PUBLIC PROPAGANDA"... AND, to give you a recent PERFECT example;

FDIC chairman Sheila Blair... lashes out at the FED/TREASURY/U.S. government for NOT going far enough. ($850 BILLION BAILOUT BILL + PAULSON BERNAKE SCHEMES = $2.25 TRILLION NOT ENOUGH? WTF?)

http://marketplace.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/10/16/mortgage_fix

"FDIC Chairwoman Sheila Blair is publicly criticizing the administration's $700 billion bailout package, saying it doesn't do enough to help Americans facing foreclosures. Sarah Gardner reports."

This is from one of the 3 FINANCIAL STOOGES (Blair, Bernake, Paulson) that have been doing ALL THE BACKROOM DEALS, slicing and dicing of BANKS, handing the gold/silver ASSETS to JP MORGAN, Goldman Sachs, etc.

Gesus, Sheila Blair has been "In Bed" with the rest of the INNER CIRCLE GOVERNMENT MONEY GANG, on ALL THIS from the BEGINNNING... Here's a perfect example of the "GOOD COP / BAD COP" senario to the public.

This is how you do the well placed and polish press releases/public comments. It's ALL INTENTIONAL, it's ALL PLANNED!

Barr... ALL INTENTIONAL, ALL PLANNED... christ, he's EX CIA and I know EXACTLY that methology, policy, procedures... Bob Barr BLEW IT, and it's easy to disect!

 

[nobody's_hero]

Tell me, what is untrue about that statement?

G.W. Bush is no leader.

I wrote to the libertarian presidential campaign staff after the 3rd Party Press conference, after I read that disgusting stretch of 9/11 leadership B.S. by Shane Cory and Russ Verney: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1672779&postcount=1

Then there was LP co-founder David Nolan's explanation of what happened to the Barr campaign.

The leaders of 9/11 were the public safety officers of Fire and P.D. who were either buried under the rubble or left to fend for themselves while searching for their primary search teams.

Ooooh, Aaaahh. Bush stood on a firetruck.

"Hail to the chief."

 

[Kade]

Revenge? Your argument makes no logical sense, well neither does voting for Baldwin if you truly believe in liberty.

Barr wants revenge. If you don't know why, you don't know the man.

 

[ceakins]

Barr wants revenge. If you don't know why, you don't know the man.

Revenge for what?

 

[acptulsa]

Revenge for what?

How many times do we need to repeat ourselves? Go read the damned thread. You got the concept a page or two ago.

 

[georgiaboy]

Revenge for what?

a little help:
http://newworldliberty.wordpress.com/2008/09/15/libertarians-say-bye-bye-to-bob-barr/

 

[ceakins]

a little help:
http://newworldliberty.wordpress.com/2008/09/15/libertarians-say-bye-bye-to-bob-barr/

This is not proof he is out for revenge, in fact he has addressed this in interviews, and has said there is no hard feelings. Maybe that was actually is wake up call.

 

[acptulsa]

This is not proof he is out for revenge, in fact he has addressed this in interviews, and has said there is no hard feelings. Maybe that was actually is wake up call.

Maybe.

What a wonderful word. We used it saying he might have a desire for revenge. You use it to convey that he might not.

Don't you think that, if he were on the up and up, he could have found a way to cement his relationship with other former neocon voters that didn't involve pissing most of the libertarians off? I think he probably could have.