Nader 2008?

[Chuang-Tzu]

I came across an article mentioning a possible presidential bid for Ralph Nader where he mentions being motivated by Dennis Kucinich dropping out of the race.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/More_from_Nader.html

I just posted the following comment on Nader's "Presidential Exploratory Committee" web site expressing my hopes for a coordinated effort involving the anti-establishment candidates and their supporters rather than yet another fragmented effort:
http://www.naderexplore08.org/contact
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.....I am writing this to encourage you to use your resources towards participating in a coalition in the name of peace, freedom and liberty rather than towards another presidential run. A tremendous opportunity exists to work with Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel and Ron Paul and their energized supporters to level the playing field for anti-establishment candidates. There is a great deal of common ground to be found and it is vital that we work together rather than as a fragmented group. I am convinced that we have not yet experienced anything remotely resembling a truly free society and there are legions of patriots across the political spectrum that will be willing to put aside some ideological differences in support of the larger struggle at hand.
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[nc4rp]

im convinced Nader is a bad guy. its because of him the war candidate won in 2000 and thereby the war interests gained control of the Judicial branch (and executive branch)

 

[specsaregood]

im convinced Nader is a bad guy. its because of him the war candidate won in 2000 and thereby the war interests gained control of the Judicial branch (and executive branch)

Except you do realize that Bush ran on a decidely ANTI-WAR platform in 2000. A similar platform that Ron Paul is running on now. "A more humble foreign policy"

 

[ICON]

watch Ralph Nader: An Unreasonable Man and your thoughts on nader will change.. i do hope he supports rather than run for president...
its longer but here is a sample

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BS1c5Ei0eIg

 

[ursamajor]

seconded

watch Ralph Nader: An Unreasonable Man and your thoughts on nader will change.. i do hope he supports rather than run for president...
its longer but here is a sample

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BS1c5Ei0eIg

i second that. gore lost because he was a flimsy candidate. it is a cop out to say that someone 'stole' your votes. if gore was a better candidate, then he would have gotten more votes. the term 'spoiler' is literally for losers. as ralph nader has said 'these people have to fight for EVERY vote'

i would love to see kucinich/paul/nader team up. would be a historic coalition.

 

[Chuang-Tzu]

Ralph takes on Rudy

watch Ralph Nader: An Unreasonable Man and your thoughts on nader will change.. i do hope he supports rather than run for president...
its longer but here is a sample

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BS1c5Ei0eIg

That is a great video introduction for those who see Nader as an unpatriotic spoiler. Independent candidates should be commended for trying to do something about "this two party elected dictatorship" as he calls it. I was energized by Nader's run against the establishment in 2000 and feel at home in the Ron Paul movement for many of the same reasons. We have a rotten political system and this "lesser of two evils" status quo bullshit has to stop.

I see your video and raise you one:

Ralph Nader Takes On Rudy

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cNirqtNIe8c

 

[FreeTraveler]

Nader and Gore BOTH think they know better than the American people what's good for them. Is it that you don't UNDERSTAND the good doctor's message, or that you WANT to subvert it to gain support for your particular brand of control freak?

 

[Xenophage]

Ralph Nader may be more ideologically consistent than most Democrats, but is consistency with a philosophy of command economies and statism virtuous? I don't think so.

Regardless, if Ron Paul doesn't get the Republican nomination, we'll still vote for him. We can make sure Ron Paul gets more write-in votes than any other person in American history.

 

[WilliamC]

I don't agree with his politics and wouldn't support him but if he wants to run more power to him.

I mean, how many Ron Paul supporters would break for Ralph Nader?

 

[Chuang-Tzu]

Nader and Gore BOTH think they know better than the American people what's good for them. Is it that you don't UNDERSTAND the good doctor's message, or that you WANT to subvert it to gain support for your particular brand of control freak?

I embrace the wisdom of the limited government free-market approach and understand Dr. Paul's message very clearly and have vigorously promoted his views far and wide. I am not trying to gain support for other candidates. I would like to see the freedom movement grow exponentially by welcoming OPEN MINDED supporters and activists from across the political spectrum.

Did you take the time to watch the Nader videos? Ron Paul has mentioned Mr. Nader in favorable terms when speaking on the ability of private citizens to police the actions of businesses in a free market. I would argue that the intent to control Americans for subversive reasons is far more prevalent inside the "two party elected dictatorship" that Ralph Nader and Ron Paul detest. Take note of who has supported the Patriot Act and other unconstitutional initiatives undermining free market and free society.

 

[CUnknown]

If Ron Paul runs as a Libertarian or an Independent, I would vote for him. Obviously I am voting for him in the primaries.

If Paul doesn't run, then I may vote for Nader if he decided to run again. They are very different, of course, but they both understand the corruption of the system we have right now and would work to change it. On some things, they would change it in similar ways. On some things, they would change the current system in radically different ways.

I am not smart enough to know the ultimate effects of a radical change to our current system. All I know is, I hate what we have now and it needs to be radically changed. So, I would support Nader or Paul. Paul first, Nader if necessary.

 

[smartpeople4ronpaul]

I came across an article mentioning a possible presidential bid for Ralph Nader where he mentions being motivated by Dennis Kucinich dropping out of the race.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/More_from_Nader.html

I just posted the following comment on Nader's "Presidential Exploratory Committee" web site expressing my hopes for a coordinated effort involving the anti-establishment candidates and their supporters rather than yet another fragmented effort:
http://www.naderexplore08.org/contact
--------------------
.....I am writing this to encourage you to use your resources towards participating in a coalition in the name of peace, freedom and liberty rather than towards another presidential run. A tremendous opportunity exists to work with Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel and Ron Paul and their energized supporters to level the playing field for anti-establishment candidates. There is a great deal of common ground to be found and it is vital that we work together rather than as a fragmented group. I am convinced that we have not yet experienced anything remotely resembling a truly free society and there are legions of patriots across the political spectrum that will be willing to put aside some ideological differences in support of the larger struggle at hand.
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Please don't come here and start posting about other candidates being just as good. It's not helping the RP campaign. Don't be a t****

 

[JS4Pat]

.....I am writing this to encourage you to use your resources towards participating in a coalition in the name of peace, freedom and liberty rather than towards another presidential run. A tremendous opportunity exists to work with Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel and Ron Paul and their energized supporters to level the playing field for anti-establishment candidates. There is a great deal of common ground to be found and it is vital that we work together rather than as a fragmented group. I am convinced that we have not yet experienced anything remotely resembling a truly free society and there are legions of patriots across the political spectrum that will be willing to put aside some ideological differences in support of the larger struggle at hand.
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Good post. I sent a similar e-mail to the Nader Team in response to their announcement of forming an Exploratory Committee.

 

[JS4Pat]

im convinced Nader is a bad guy. its because of him the war candidate won in 2000 and thereby the war interests gained control of the Judicial branch (and executive branch)

Wait a second. That is the same BS logic some of us are experiencing out here trying to get Ron Paul elected.

In 2000 Ralph Nader stood for something much different than Al Gore or George W. Bush. He had every right to run and give voters who shared his views a voice in the election.

IT WAS NOT BECAUSE OF HIM THAT THE WAR CANDIDATE WON in 2000.

It was because of ignorant and irresponsible voters and the fact that Bush "misled" many with his campaign for a "humble foreign policy, no national building etc.

Now - this time around it does seem that if Nader is serious about his major issues of ending "coporatism", changing our foreign policy and opening up our political system - then he really should look at working with our movement.

 

[Wyurm]

Before I found Ron Paul, I was expecting to vote for Nader for a third time. I disagree with Nader on some important points, but he isn't CFR (a very important issue for me) and he is for the people even though I feel his ideals wouldn't quite work right. Oh, and Nader didn't lose the election for the Dems in either year, and even if the Dems had won, whether you want to admit it or not, we would still be where we are today. The only difference would be that the majority of independent voters would be hating Dems rather than Reps. The Dems lost the election because both times they nominated establishment candidates resulting in an election of the lesser of two evils.

It looks like this might happen again (if RP doesn't get the nod). Nader can run and most of his election will be focused on ballot access just like last time. Or he can take the advise mentioned above and team up with us so we can actually work toward a free, not-establishment ruled future. Things are getting really ugly and I honestly feel that the time for piddely things like whining about the Dems restricting ballot access is over. I feel that now is the time to stand up against tyranny invoked by greed and a lust for power.

I hope he makes the right choice.

 

[katewag]

I also just posted on Ralph Nader’s exploratory website. If Ralph decides not to run, it doesn’t hurt to put a bug in their ear about Ron Paul. Maybe his supporters don't know that Ron and Ralph actually have quite a bit in common. As a once upon a time supporter of Nader, I picked the topics that I know are very important to them and also to Dr. Paul's supporters. I hope some of Nader's people will be as delighted and surprised as I was when I discovered Ron Paul.

 

[ToryNotion]

Except you do realize that Bush ran on a decidely ANTI-WAR platform in 2000. A similar platform that Ron Paul is running on now. "A more humble foreign policy"

If we had been in a war in 2000 do you think Bush would have run on that soundbite. He'd have said whatever it took to get elected and that worked to that end in that election.

 

[Teflon Master]

I watched An Unreasonable Man and next to Ron Paul Ralph Nader is now my hero. Maybe the only socialist to get that title. Everyone should aspire to be like Ralph Nader.