N.Y. Gov. Cuomo Enacts $15 Hourly Fast Food Minimum Wage

[euphemia]

And in the meantime, professional servers who work for some of the best chefs in the world, make $2.64 per hour (or something like that) and have to split tips with the host, runner, bartender, etc.

Don't try to get a reservation, though, because that place is booked until June.

 

[erowe1]

So does NY have a legal definition of "fast food"?

 

[TheTexan]

They certainly worked hard for that pay raise. I say, congratulations

 

[paleocon1]

It won't help. Given the high rents in the NYC area, it won't begin to provide a living for families, which is why I assume the governor signed the order. Median rents in the Bronx, the cheapest of the five boroughs is around $1500 a month, and that's for a tiny hole in the wall.

A quick net search says differently. Around $800/month or less is quite doable.

 

[erowe1]

A quick net search says differently. Around $800/month or less is quite doable.

In New York City? You sure about that?

Although the problem is, the governor enacted a statewide policy that also covers areas where the cost of living is a fraction of what it is in NYC.

 

[Ronin Truth]

Yet one more very good reason to not buy any fast food in New York.

 

[nobody's_hero]

I was just about to post relative pay for EMTs in NY.

It's actually about $18/hr but still,why go to school and take on that debt when you can make $15/hr with a kindergarten diploma? This will send ripples throughout the economy and everyone's pay will have to adjust upward.

And then a few years from now the burger flipper will be pissed that he only makes $15/hr. Rinse repeat.

 

[parocks]

I read about this when it first happened or first was proposed a month or so ago.

Whoever thinks this is going have a massive effect on prices of food in NYC is not paying attention to how things like rent factor into prices as well.

Upstate NY might be a different story, but that's not until 2022, and it's hard to predict how much the national minimum wage will go up in that time.

You know that the minimum wage always goes up, right?

 

[parocks]

Yet one more very good reason to not buy any fast food in New York.

Explain that in greater detail.

You shouldn't buy terrible food in NY, but you should buy it somewhere else, because, why again, explain this?

Do you actually think that fast food is expensive now, or will be expensive when this takes effect? Is raising the minimum wage from one number set by the number set by the government to another, larger number set by the government, more government in any way?

 

[erowe1]

Is raising the minimum wage from one number set by the number set by the government to another, larger number set by the government, more government in any way?

Yes. It's more government intervention. It affects more people and it affects them in greater degrees.

If, in an unregulated market there would be 100,000 people working for below $7.25/hr. and 1,000,000 people working for below $15/hr., then having a minimum wage of $7.25/hr. bans 100,000 jobs, and having a minimum wage of $15/hr. bans 1,000,000 jobs.

 

[Ronin Truth]

Any guesstimates numbers of fast food worker migrations into New York?

"If you want to understand, what's REALLY going on, just follow the money!"

 

[erowe1]

Any guesstimates numbers of fast food worker migrations into New York?

"If you want to understand, what's REALLY going on, just follow the money!"

Not into. Out of.

 

[erowe1]

On the other hand, any restaurants that don't meet whatever the legal criteria of "fast food" are, will benefit from this, since it hurts their fast-food competitors and not them. I expect that all the restaurants that are counted as "fast food" are now desperate for changes they can make that will allow them to say they aren't, so that they can get around this.

 

[Ronin Truth]

Not into. Out of.

Yeah, let's all move out to NJ and PA where we can each make half the NY currently legally mandated minimum hourly wage.

 

[PRB]

It won't help. Given the high rents in the NYC area, it won't begin to provide a living for families, which is why I assume the governor signed the order. Median rents in the Bronx, the cheapest of the five boroughs is around $1500 a month, and that's for a tiny hole in the wall.

nobody is forcing them to live there.

 

[PRB]

I hear you, Gunny. That's why people need to give careful consideration about how they want to live and put the pieces in place to make that happen. Nobody should be working at McDonald's indefinitely. It's not meant to be a living wage for anyone. It's supposed to help a teenager have date money.

nobody is forcing them to work, they can work if they want money, move somewhere else, just dont ask taxpayers to help pay your rent and child care. I might agree it's not "intended" to be a living wage, but nor is any other job, people are free to take the job they want or quit.

 

[erowe1]

Yeah, let's all move out to NJ and PA where we can each make half the NY currently legally mandated minimum hourly wage.

Half is better than nothing, which is what they'll make staying in NY.

 

[silverhandorder]

Yeah, let's all move out to NJ and PA where we can each make half the NY currently legally mandated minimum hourly wage.

I don't think people in NY will be able to take advantage of the minimum wage.

NYC already has high wages. The jobs that pay under 15 can be eliminated and usually done by kids.

Upstate there are ways to make you work for that money. For example business like factories will just eliminate under 15$ jobs and spread responsibilities to the rest of the workers. They will hire more but not more than they were budgeted for. So still more work for workers and less jobs.

Mom and pop shops will just be paying their own kids. So no money out of pocket. Farms will just not hire their interns/apprentices.

NJ and PA are actually pretty good with work.

 

[Ronin Truth]

Half is better than nothing, which is what they'll make staying in NY.

For $30K per year full time, you can afford to commute to work fast food from neighboring states.

 

[erowe1]

For $30K per year full time, you can afford to commute to work fast food from neighboring states.

I don't think you get the affects minimum wage actually has.

If you could just give everyone a raise by passing a law requiring that they be paid more, and this would have no affects on the rate of employment, then all the neighboring states, and every other state for that matter, ought to just follow suit and pass laws requiring that everyone work for whatever arbitrarily high wage we want.

But that's not what happens. What these laws actually do is ban all the jobs that produce less value than the minimum wage. Any job that isn't worth that amount of pay just won't be allowed, and those people will not get raises, they'll be out of work.