mediahasyou
Member
- Joined
- Feb 24, 2008
- Messages
- 2,386
n. korea's economy is not strong enough to support a war.
N. Korea threatens to wipe America off the map. What would RP say about this?
- Thread starter qh4dotcom
- Start date
Dr.3D
Member
- Joined
- Dec 6, 2007
- Messages
- 30,314
Neither is ours.
Objectivist
Banned
- Joined
- Apr 3, 2009
- Messages
- 3,716
What kind of attack? I sleep well with the knowledge that we have capabilities to prevent missiles from hitting our soil.
Carole
Member
- Joined
- Nov 8, 2007
- Messages
- 5,035
torchbearer
Lizard King
- Joined
- May 26, 2007
- Messages
- 38,926
Isn't that how we provoked Japan into the Pearl Harbor thingy?
oil embargo.
Throughout the entire time since the first Korean war, the libertarian position on the issue has been that the United States should remove its troops from the peninsula and should not interfere in Korean trade or politics. If the US federal government had followed this advice, the situation would not be as tense as it is today. North Korea would probably be more similar to Iran at this point, with a funcitoning economy and a populace who is waking up to the reality of their tyrannical government.
The_Orlonater
Member
- Joined
- Jun 24, 2008
- Messages
- 1,878
It's not important or serious.
And N. Korea's military might couldn't wipe New Jersey off the map, let alone the whole of these USs of A.
Sandman33
Banned
- Joined
- May 18, 2009
- Messages
- 2,632
Yeah we can detect MISSILES and counter them.....yet planes appear free to nail our strongest buildings even after they've known about them being taken over for over an hour.....
Yes they do. I suggest you research their songun, army first, techniques, which is where about 80% of all their money is going to: their army. Let me assure you, they are always ready to fight a war, and with the 4th largest army in the world, and with the opposition of nukes, I'm sure they could start some trouble.
KCIndy
Member
- Joined
- Nov 17, 2007
- Messages
- 6,342
I can't believe how many people are getting worked up over this... un-freakin'believable!
Let's stop and think.
In order to hit the U.S. with even ONE atomic bomb - a bomb that would likely have less than half the explosive yield of the bomb the U.S. dropped on Hiroshima - the North Koreans would have to:
1.) Be able to construct an atomic bomb small enough to fit into the warhead of an intercontinental missile. That's NOT an easy task, folks, and I'm guessing that they're not there yet. Anyone ever seen the pictures of the first U.S. atomic bombs, "Fat Man" and "Little Boy" that were used on Japan?
2.) Said long-range missile - and they have only one type that has the range to hit Alaska or Hawaii - would have to fire properly. The last couple they shot off, according to most sources, fizzled miserably and splashed into the Pacific.
3.) Said missile would have to be accurate enough to.... say.... HIT LAND. The better odds are for hitting some sort of land in Alaska, where the population is mostly pine trees and mosquitoes. The odds of hitting Hawaii, assuming the missile actually makes it that far, would probably be pretty slim. They might end up killing a coral reef, though.
4.) The bomb would actually have to function correctly and explode. Their first attempt was a partial misfire.
Last of all, by most of the intel I've heard discussed, the North Korean government has, at best, around half a dozen possibly-reliable bombs. I would be surprised if ANY of these is small enough to fit on the end of a missile. If they were actually insane enough to shoot a live one at us, and assuming we don't shoot it down, and assuming it doesn't fall apart right off the launch pad, and assuming it hits land, and assuming it hits a populated target, and assuming it's constructed well enough that it actually detonates.... assuming all this, they have to know we would practically level their little country, whether by conventional or nuclear means.
It's just a crazy little short dictator yelling empty threats, people.
Calm down.
Let's stop and think.
In order to hit the U.S. with even ONE atomic bomb - a bomb that would likely have less than half the explosive yield of the bomb the U.S. dropped on Hiroshima - the North Koreans would have to:
1.) Be able to construct an atomic bomb small enough to fit into the warhead of an intercontinental missile. That's NOT an easy task, folks, and I'm guessing that they're not there yet. Anyone ever seen the pictures of the first U.S. atomic bombs, "Fat Man" and "Little Boy" that were used on Japan?
2.) Said long-range missile - and they have only one type that has the range to hit Alaska or Hawaii - would have to fire properly. The last couple they shot off, according to most sources, fizzled miserably and splashed into the Pacific.
3.) Said missile would have to be accurate enough to.... say.... HIT LAND. The better odds are for hitting some sort of land in Alaska, where the population is mostly pine trees and mosquitoes. The odds of hitting Hawaii, assuming the missile actually makes it that far, would probably be pretty slim. They might end up killing a coral reef, though.
4.) The bomb would actually have to function correctly and explode. Their first attempt was a partial misfire.
Last of all, by most of the intel I've heard discussed, the North Korean government has, at best, around half a dozen possibly-reliable bombs. I would be surprised if ANY of these is small enough to fit on the end of a missile. If they were actually insane enough to shoot a live one at us, and assuming we don't shoot it down, and assuming it doesn't fall apart right off the launch pad, and assuming it hits land, and assuming it hits a populated target, and assuming it's constructed well enough that it actually detonates.... assuming all this, they have to know we would practically level their little country, whether by conventional or nuclear means.
It's just a crazy little short dictator yelling empty threats, people.
Calm down.
Elwar
Member
- Joined
- May 14, 2007
- Messages
- 8,226
If North Korea invades South Korea, we should just leave it alone?
Ron Paul: Sure, but it's not going to happen. South Korea's about 10 times more powerful than North Korea.
Also:
http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-04-06/ron-paul-north-korea-is-not-a-threat-to-the-us/
"The North Koreans, they have a rocket, not an intercontinental ballistic missile. We don’t even know for sure if they have a bomb that they could launch, and we are now wondering, what are we going to do with this country?
I mean, they can’t even feed themselves. They do not have a Navy, what kind of an Air Force do they have, and yet it just seems like this is an excuse for the West, and in particular our military-industrial complex to have another excuse to have a massive build up.
It just seems so unnecessary. Ironically, it seems like the Chinese had the most measured response as they, “why don’t you just sit back a minute and think about this?” And I think that is what we ought to do.
The Koreans are not going to attack us. If they even did have a bomb, even if they made an attempt to do it, I mean, they would be wiped off on the face of the Earth within minutes.
It is just preposterous to think that the North Koreans are a threat. I think they are playing cat and mouse. I think they are laughing. I think they love to see us go nuts over this, but what they don’t understand is, they might not realize how much we might overreact, and this whole thing that some of our politicians are saying, “Well, we should have gone in there and bombed that site before the rocket even took off.”
But the technology there is so primitive and yet we are at this point of thinking that it is like Pearl Harbor again. Just think, we are concentrating on weapons and weapons are really important.
But what if we said for many years, “It is not the guns that kill, it is the people that kill.” And yet, we have politicians now claiming that we should practically go to war against North Korea at this moment.
Quite frankly, I think if we would not be in South Korea, which I have advocated for years, South Korea and North Korea probably would be unified and they would be westernized by now. But this whole idea that we are there and we persists with this confrontation…
Communism is a failure, and that is why the Soviet system collapsed. But when you play these games, just like we did with the communists in Cuba. Castro lasted a lot longer because we put sanctions on them, on Castro, and gave him cover, but that is going to come to an end eventually. After all these years, sanctions don’t work.
People are now crying for even more and more sanctions. So it just doesn’t make any sense whatsoever for us to pursue these policies of antagonism. You say these people are a bit nuts. Well, if they don’t want to talk to us, fine. But if they would talk to us, I would not give them any money. So often when we talk to the North Koreans, we think they are going to do something, we give them money.
Why don’t we try this third option? Instead of either attacking people or giving them money, just offer out friendship. If they want to trade with us, fine. But communism fails, it will fail, their system is failing. The Soviet system, we didn’t have to attack it. They had thousands and thousands of nuclear weapons, and we didn’t have to confront them.
And now, we are acting hysterically over this whole notion that we have to attack them. Sure, they might be working on a weapon, but just think in the age in which we live. People need to understand and study what fourth generation warfare is.
They need to understand that we were really brought down and chaos was caused by 19 individuals with boxed blades. That is what we have to think about, but we have to understand fourth generation warfare. You have to understand why people want to attack us. You have to understand why we do these things and how fruitless they are.
We have to realize that our foreign policy has blowback to it and that is the biggest threat to us. The best thing that we could do is to take the advice of the founding fathers and say, “Look, let’s trade with people. Let’s talk with people, try to be friends with people, and be more tolerant with people, and look to our own problems.”
When we make our own mistakes, if we have imperfections in protecting human rights and civil liberties here in this country, let’s take care of it before we preach and lecture to everybody else and expect them to respond to us.
If we do that, I think we could come up with a much better chance of having peace in this world and certainly a lot more prosperity. We don’t need to be spending these hundreds of billions of dollars on international warfareism.
And some people expected our new administration to actually cut it back. They are increasing this military budget, and if you would have just listened to the comments from our administration today, they were more provocative than anything I have heard in weeks, if not months about what we must do about this.
We ought to just sit back and take a breath and realize that North Korea is not a threat to the United States of America."
Ron Paul: Sure, but it's not going to happen. South Korea's about 10 times more powerful than North Korea.
Also:
http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-04-06/ron-paul-north-korea-is-not-a-threat-to-the-us/
"The North Koreans, they have a rocket, not an intercontinental ballistic missile. We don’t even know for sure if they have a bomb that they could launch, and we are now wondering, what are we going to do with this country?
I mean, they can’t even feed themselves. They do not have a Navy, what kind of an Air Force do they have, and yet it just seems like this is an excuse for the West, and in particular our military-industrial complex to have another excuse to have a massive build up.
It just seems so unnecessary. Ironically, it seems like the Chinese had the most measured response as they, “why don’t you just sit back a minute and think about this?” And I think that is what we ought to do.
The Koreans are not going to attack us. If they even did have a bomb, even if they made an attempt to do it, I mean, they would be wiped off on the face of the Earth within minutes.
It is just preposterous to think that the North Koreans are a threat. I think they are playing cat and mouse. I think they are laughing. I think they love to see us go nuts over this, but what they don’t understand is, they might not realize how much we might overreact, and this whole thing that some of our politicians are saying, “Well, we should have gone in there and bombed that site before the rocket even took off.”
But the technology there is so primitive and yet we are at this point of thinking that it is like Pearl Harbor again. Just think, we are concentrating on weapons and weapons are really important.
But what if we said for many years, “It is not the guns that kill, it is the people that kill.” And yet, we have politicians now claiming that we should practically go to war against North Korea at this moment.
Quite frankly, I think if we would not be in South Korea, which I have advocated for years, South Korea and North Korea probably would be unified and they would be westernized by now. But this whole idea that we are there and we persists with this confrontation…
Communism is a failure, and that is why the Soviet system collapsed. But when you play these games, just like we did with the communists in Cuba. Castro lasted a lot longer because we put sanctions on them, on Castro, and gave him cover, but that is going to come to an end eventually. After all these years, sanctions don’t work.
People are now crying for even more and more sanctions. So it just doesn’t make any sense whatsoever for us to pursue these policies of antagonism. You say these people are a bit nuts. Well, if they don’t want to talk to us, fine. But if they would talk to us, I would not give them any money. So often when we talk to the North Koreans, we think they are going to do something, we give them money.
Why don’t we try this third option? Instead of either attacking people or giving them money, just offer out friendship. If they want to trade with us, fine. But communism fails, it will fail, their system is failing. The Soviet system, we didn’t have to attack it. They had thousands and thousands of nuclear weapons, and we didn’t have to confront them.
And now, we are acting hysterically over this whole notion that we have to attack them. Sure, they might be working on a weapon, but just think in the age in which we live. People need to understand and study what fourth generation warfare is.
They need to understand that we were really brought down and chaos was caused by 19 individuals with boxed blades. That is what we have to think about, but we have to understand fourth generation warfare. You have to understand why people want to attack us. You have to understand why we do these things and how fruitless they are.
We have to realize that our foreign policy has blowback to it and that is the biggest threat to us. The best thing that we could do is to take the advice of the founding fathers and say, “Look, let’s trade with people. Let’s talk with people, try to be friends with people, and be more tolerant with people, and look to our own problems.”
When we make our own mistakes, if we have imperfections in protecting human rights and civil liberties here in this country, let’s take care of it before we preach and lecture to everybody else and expect them to respond to us.
If we do that, I think we could come up with a much better chance of having peace in this world and certainly a lot more prosperity. We don’t need to be spending these hundreds of billions of dollars on international warfareism.
And some people expected our new administration to actually cut it back. They are increasing this military budget, and if you would have just listened to the comments from our administration today, they were more provocative than anything I have heard in weeks, if not months about what we must do about this.
We ought to just sit back and take a breath and realize that North Korea is not a threat to the United States of America."
Similar threads
