myths about the federal reserve

Under the control of a very few exclusive global elite rulers who freely travel the world profiting from wars, control of earth's resources, politicians, military, police, media, educational institutions, health care, and auto industry while more and more people everyday are losing their jobs, homes, and hope for a better future.

Their dishonest central planning system of control sucks and should be illegal.

Since I’m not in the mood to delve into your paranoid fantasies, I’ll respond by saying this: most money is virtual because it’s convenient. It doesn’t make sense for me to send an envelope filled with cash every time I want to buy something online or to carry purses filled with cash every time I want to make a large purchase.

Most money would be virtual under a gold standard or any other kind of monetary system capable of working in a modern economy. Your response is a total non sequitur.
 
look at historical fluctuations in precious metal prices



i've already said that generally, what goes up, comes down

but, one important difference between gold and us dollars, is elasticity of supply

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As to elasticity. The supply of precious metals is not very elastic, this is true, but which is better, infinite elasticity or finite elasticity?

Well, we can think about this a bit a come to the conclusion, something that is of infinite elasticity may be thinned to the point of being worthless. It's sort of like stretching the amount of coffee in a coffeepot by adding more water. We can get some pretty weak coffee if we fill half a pot of coffee to the top with water. Of course that wouldn't even be weak if we compared it with what we would find in the pot after we had poured it out into a lake and then refilled the pot from that lake. Yes, the supply of coffee was able to be elastic to the point of not being recognizable as coffee. Now just think of the coffee being the value found in the coffeepot and the water mixed with it as not changing the value of the coffee, but rather diluting that value. I doubt people would think to remove water from the coffeepot as that would be harder to do.

One should take to note what can happen with infinite elasticity, the currency can easily be diluted to the point of becoming worthless. (look at what happened to the elastic currency in Zimbabwe or any other country where their currency failed. Mexico comes to mind.)

Now a finitely elastic supply may in time cause deflation. Is this a bad thing? Of course not, it doesn't rob the people holding it. This is unlike people holding infinitely elastic currency, where the people holding it are being robbed by inflation (a growing supply).

It should seem quite simple, people would prefer not to be robbed and would choose a currency with a finitely elastic supply. As the population grows, each measure of the finitely elastic currency increases in value. This works great for those saving for their retirement.
 
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How about "creates it"?

A low, stable and predictable rate of inflation is preferable to a fixed supply of money or a supply whose quantity and/or intrinsic value is vulnerable to external shocks.

Seems like a depression is the only way to fix this bubble for the last 50+ years...

What bubble ? And how would a depression help fix anything ? What problem did the Great Depression correct ?
 
A low, stable and predictable rate of inflation is preferable to a fixed supply of money or a supply whose quantity and/or intrinsic value is vulnerable to external shocks.

I'd prefer an honest monetary system void of central manipulation. Deflation would benefit wage earners and savers. Workers would benefit from their increased productivity. It wouldn't be siphoned off via inflation.
 
I'd prefer an honest monetary system void of central manipulation. Deflation would benefit wage earners and savers. Workers would benefit from their increased productivity. It wouldn't be siphoned off via inflation.

Rather than go into a long explanation about the problems of deflation, I'll just ask a simple question which should hopefully have the same effect:

If what you say about deflation is true, then why didn't wage earners and savers benefit from the deflation which occurred in the 1930s ?
 
Rather than go into a long explanation about the problems of deflation, I'll just ask a simple question which should hopefully have the same effect:

If what you say about deflation is true, then why didn't wage earners and savers benefit from the deflation which occurred in the 1930s ?


You mean an environment heavy with government intervention? Like gold revaluation by decree and paying farmers to dump products like milk out instead of selling it at a reduced price?

Yeah, free markets suck.
 
Rather than go into a long explanation about the problems of deflation, I'll just ask a simple question which should hopefully have the same effect:

If what you say about deflation is true, then why didn't wage earners and savers benefit from the deflation which occurred in the 1930s ?

wages weren't allowed to fall with said deflation, essentially putting in place a very high minimum wage that exacerbated the unemployment problem.

Also, it's not really an apples to apples comparison you're making here--Austrians don't suggest that severe deflation is a good thing, at all, but that a mild, continual deflation benefits everyone...to suggest that they're in favor if any deflation (let alone one created by the government) is fallacious.
 
You mean an environment heavy with government intervention? Like gold revaluation by decree and paying farmers to dump products like milk out instead of selling it at a reduced price?

Yeah, free markets suck.

That doesn't answer my question.

wages weren't allowed to fall with said deflation, essentially putting in place a very high minimum wage that exacerbated the unemployment problem.

Also, it's not really an apples to apples comparison you're making here--Austrians don't suggest that severe deflation is a good thing, at all, but that a mild, continual deflation benefits everyone...to suggest that they're in favor if any deflation (let alone one created by the government) is fallacious.

The post I was responding to made the claim that deflation is good, and I thought that by asking him a question which would force him to study an empirical example of the problems associated with deflation, he might have gone back on his original statement or at least clarified it. Surprisingly enough, it didn't work.

I admit that your point about low, stable deflation being potentially beneficial does have some merit. The most important part of a monetary system is its stability, having a low stable inflation or deflation rate is much better than having large fluctuations in either direction. I tend to believe that low inflation is better than low deflation for a couple of reasons:

1-The economy already works under the assumption of low inflation, the transition to deflation would cause many problems for lenders and borrowers. How many more people would default on their mortgage if their wages kept going down and their payments were to remain the same? To justify such disruptions in the market, you’d need a very good reason to initiate the transition, and I don’t see one right now.

2-Prices have an easier time adjusting higher than adjusting lower. This may be for purely psychological reasons, but it’s much easier to suppliers to raise their prices than to lower them because it’s easier to give their employees a pay raise than a pay cut, even if the absolute purchasing power of their wages remains the same.

I guess that a culture which would be exposed to a deflationary environment for long enough would eventually adjust to it, but I don’t see how the potential benefits of such a system justify the huge costs of its transition.

I think it's much easier to focus on reforming the Fed by narrowing down its number of mandates and level of discretion rather than to try to reform the entire monetary system from the ground up.
 
Rather than go into a long explanation about the problems of deflation, I'll just ask a simple question which should hopefully have the same effect:

If what you say about deflation is true, then why didn't wage earners and savers benefit from the deflation which occurred in the 1930s ?


They did.

But another point is that the great depression was a result from fiat money, not sound money. The great depression was similar to the housing bust, it was the markets way of reallocating resources to a more productive direction instead of a credit induced speculative bubble.
 
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As to elasticity. The supply of precious metals is not very elastic, this is true, but which is better, infinite elasticity or finite elasticity?

monetary control is the ideal, if it is managed properly
 
monetary control is the ideal, if it is managed properly

theft is not ideal. coercion is not ideal.

increasing the money supply is theft as it redistributes purchasing power from the average person to those who use the money first.

control of the money supply by a central bank can only be achieved with legal tender laws, which infringe upon the freedom of contract. people are forced to agree to a specific method of payment.
 
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They did.

But another point is that the great depression was a result from fiat money, not sound money. The great depression was similar to the housing bust, it was the markets way of reallocating resources to a more productive direction instead of a credit induced speculative bubble.

Actually, the Great Depression was caused in large part by the gold standard.

 
theft is not ideal. coercion is not ideal.

increasing the money supply is theft as it redistributes purchasing power from the average person to those who use the money first.

control of the money supply by a central bank can only be achieved with legal tender laws, which infringe upon the freedom of contract. people are forced to agree to a specific method of payment.

that's like saying you're forced to drive on the right side of the road and there would be more freedom if each individual could choose which side of the road he wants to drive on
 
Actually, the Great Depression was caused in large part by the gold standard.

Misleading;

A government controlled gold standard, with a fixed price. Maybe you just dont get it.. that is not sound money.

Golds price was FIXED while paper currency was increasing. The roaring twenties was a credit induced bubble, enabled by control over currency through the federal reserve.
 
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