keep in mind, these are ron paul supporters. as long as they support ron paul they can do whatever they want.
for everyone who says hes awful, who would you rather have, considering ron paul cannot win the presidency this year?
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keep in mind, these are ron paul supporters. as long as they support ron paul they can do whatever they want.
for everyone who says hes awful, who would you rather have, considering ron paul cannot win the presidency this year?
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Nope, I refuse to play that game anymore. Fuck it. No more lesser of two evils.
well guess what, you dont have a choice. you can vote for ron paul, thats fine, i intend to as well. but who out of those 3 do you want to win the nomination?
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I don't believe the evidence supports the theory that Obama is any kind of improvement over the crooked power structure politicians who have been around longer. Would like to be wrong, but I just don't see any real sign of it. He pays lip service to change, but all he specifically offers is more of the same.
I would much rather persuade you to help me get Dr. Paul on the ballot as an independent. My state is the toughest with a big fat petition requirement, but I'm going to be doing it this summer. A lot can happen between now and November. Dr. Paul's message takes some getting used to for people who haven't thought deeply about their freedoms before.
If the G.O.P. has a brokered convention, having Dr. Paul on each state's ballot would be a big, fat negotiating point for him, especially since we would have done this on our own without his request. No more clear message could be sent that the young conservatives will no longer put up with business as usual.
Sorry, but I can't join you. Obama is business as usual. This is no longer acceptable to me. And, yes, I most definitely do have another choice.
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The last issue of the American Conservative had a great article on Obama being an interventionist. This guy is getting a free pass because he can speak well.
He is also the most liberal senator last year. He also has no understanding of economics and wants to bring back the days of FDR and has a Wilsonian worldview... then again, none of the other candidates are any better. McCain is arguably worse and Clinton is... well... Clinton.
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He is also the most liberal senator last year. He also has no understanding of economics and wants to bring back the days of FDR and has a Wilsonian worldview... then again, none of the other candidates are any better. McCain is arguably worse and Clinton is... well... Clinton.
BOHICA (Bend over here it comes again)
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If all you are about is convincing us that there is enough of a difference in the three to get excited about, then yes, we're all hopeless. For all our sakes, it would indeed be nice if there was anything about Obama to justify all the blind hope he peddles in himself, but the evidence says otherwise.
We do no feel you are trying to open our eyes, but close them to this evidence. We support Ron Paul because every scrap of evidence tells us that he actively supports what he says he supports. He has a voting record that goes back decades and that speaks volumes. What facts have you to open our eyes with? Open your own and find some, rather than simply repeating yourself.
And if you find evidence you don't like--evidence your hope may be dashed--don't feel bad. We've all been there.
Don't take it personally, kid. Don't close your eyes to the fact that we may be right, either. As Shakespeare said, "To thine own self be true."
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exactly what i am thinking too. Yes, i know only RonPaul's message is the real thing. But if i believe Obama is a lesser of evil in the Obama/McCain/Clinton pack and decided that i rather have Obama as president, does this make me a traitor to the RP movement? i support RP becase of the love for this country. For the same love, i want a lesser of evil as president. Tell me what's wrong with this!!!!
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There is no difference to me.
Obama can probably talk the sheeple into a New Deal better than the other two can... so in my mind, he's worse. He is telling people that he is going to create a Federal Dept of Happy and that with 'hope' and 'change' we can all get everything we want. And LOTS of people are buying it. Obama's idea of change is to take whats left and turn it over to the government.
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my opinion.
a vote for mccain is a vote for iraq war
a vote for hillary is a vote for the continuation of old wasington politics for the lobbyist and another 4 years of secretive administration
a vote for obama is a vote for anti iraq war and a vote for an america where washington politics can be more transparent and united
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Nothing, really, except the distinct possibility that there's not enough difference to be worth supporting except perhaps in charisma level, and supporting the lesser of evils will stop you from fighting for true good. If many of us are no longer willing to stop fighting the uphill battle for true good and settle for the expedient lesser evil, well, that's pretty much what revolution is. I've voted for the lesser evil many a time, and things have continued to fail to improve for it. I'm not willing to settle this time. Obviously some are. This isn't really a forum for those people, is it?
We're hopelessly dedicated patriots no longer willing to settle for a slow decline in our liberty versus a fast decline in our liberty. Sue us.
If you consider this to be flaming you, then it is. Coldly considered, though, it is just a statement of principle. We've got a movement going here, and we're going to keep rowing no matter how swift the current or how many of our crew abandons ship. You can choose a hope that the hope the charismatic one offers is not false, or you can join our sheer determination against all hope. And if you choose the former, don't be surprised if some of us intimate that we're made of sterner stuff than you.
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Ummm...no Obama isn't a Muslim. No he isn't going to support Ron Paul. Yes he's already been corrupted. Look at the votes. He voted for the RealID act. He voted for the Homegrown Terrorism Act. He voted for Patriot Act expansion. He supports amnesty. Sure he didn't vote against the Iraq war, but he wasn't in the senate. He wouldn't promise to get out of Iraq by 2013 but now he says he'll have everybody home by 2009?
He wasn't universal healthcare. He and Hillary quibbled last night over who's mandate was worse. (Once you read between the lines you'll discover that they BOTH have mandates.) Is Obama brilliant? Yes. But so are Dick Cheney, Karl Rove and Hillary Clinton. I wish I was wrong. He's a likable guy, his campaign is gaining steam, and who doesn't like backing a winner?Regards,
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good for you. and i appaud you for the determination and dedication to the movement. i am probably going to settle for a lesser of evil this time round unless RP campaign promise a third party run. Our country is at a crossroad where we really need to do something to the current state of affair. We cannot sustain the war anymore. We cannot have a McCain. i am sick and tired of the Clinton's secretive administration. i confess that i am also holding on to the unfounded hope that Obama promises. i am hoping that he bring our troops home from iraq. i am hoping that he will reduce lobbyist influence in washington. i am hoping that he will increase governance transparency and engage the americans people in policies. i am hoping that voting in a political newbie like Obama can send a messge to the political establisment that we are tired of the usual washinton politics for the powerful and rich. You are right. the RP movement and message will take more than one election cycle.... but our nation cannot wait. So i am left with the only hope.. i hope Obama delivers what he promised.. i am hoping..
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the info there is flaky. quite bleh. written by a 5th grader. somemore that is an anti-democratic website. ask why john mccain not in there.
back to topic, i agree Obama is the lesser of evil among Clinton/Obama/McCain pack. he is my second choice after Ron Paul.
The lesser of two evils is still evil. Obama is advised by CFR, who want world government. Obama's wife works for Chicago CFR. His main advisor is Zbigniew Brezinski, who also worked for Carter and Clinton. Please, wake up! He is not good, people! You guys are all falling for the BS again, believing the TV propaganda. Sad is all I can say.
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There's nothing wrong with having a second choice. Assuming Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination (EXTREMELY likely) and that he doesn't run third party (VERY likely) pick the third party candidate of your choice. And if you want to vote Barack in November, fine vote Barack. I won't be. But have a set of principles to stand on. Here are mine. I picked them BEFORE anyone announced they were running.
1) Had to be consistently against the Iraq war
2) Had to be against the Patriot Act
3) Had to be against the Department of Homeland Security
Obama has failed on at least 2 of the 3. Of course those are actions not principles. The principles are:
1) Being against preemptive empire building wars
2) Being against trading "freedom for security"
3) Being against building up a police state bureaucracy in the name of security
I've since added a few other principles such as being for the 2nd amendment and taking a stand against the North American union. But those are still my top 3. Nobody gets my support or sympathy without passing my top 3 litmus test.
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