MY Report for the End the War/Impeach Bush Rally - MISSED OPPORTUNITY

[paulitics]

Quickmike, this is not something I would have expected to hear from your mouth (even though I know you might be kidding). First, can you not control yourself? Second, the only reason I didn't voluntary get arrested on Saturday is because I'm poor as shit and I couldn't afford to miss my flight. Stop being a pansy and making excuses about why you CAN'T do things. Get out there and fight. They can't arrest all of us.

On another note, we should all go the capitol and make citizens' arrests on the officers who did not allow us access to a publicly owned building to deliver a message to congressmen, which is a violation of the 1st amendment, freedom to protest. THEY are the ones who swore to uphold the constitution. THEY are the enemy combatants. THEY are the ones committing treason. Arrest THEM!

I agree, we just need more people to think this way. More and more are, but were not there yet and we don't have enough people. It is going to take about a million like minded people with a strategy. We need to protest the media, their sponsors, not just congress. These fascists (who love war, torture, and a police state) are those we will be fighting against someday. They are too stupid to know theyare fighting against America,but its not our fault they are that stupid.

 

[dseisner]

Great post. That's awesome you guys were able to get out there in front of so many people. Good job!!!!!

Thank you for the support.

 

[brandon]

I agree, we just need more people to think this way. More and more are, but were not there yet and we don't have enough people. It is going to take about a million like minded people with a strategy. We need to protest the media, their sponsors, not just congress. These fascists (who love war, torture, and a police state) are those we will be fighting against someday. They are too stupid to know theyare fighting against America,but its not our fault they are that stupid.

I am with you. I will fight for my freedom till death, just like our founding fathers. Whatever it takes, I am there. There is nothing I won't sacrifice for freedom.

 

[klamath]

This post is not specifically addressed to Liberty Eagle but to all the nay-sayers about Ron Paul's presence in DC on Saturday.

I got there at 12 PM and there were already a ton of people there. Everyone from the Answer Coalition to 9/11 Truth guys to Global Warming informers were there. Impeach.org said in an email to me that there were 100k people there but I don't know, it was definitely difficult to tell. I showed up with this homemade sign:

1) Impeach Bush
2) End the War
3) Elect Ron Paul

Why? Because this is my agenda. I'm not out here spreading RP's message just to get him elected because that won't actually do much. I believe strongly we must spread our unadulterated truth because if we don't we're just censoring ourselves just like politicians and will never affect real change. Nevertheless, my sign was VERY well received. Townhall will be Townhall, a bunch of neo-con, warmongering pricks - and nothing's going to change how they will depict Paulians. Even if 15-20 of us didn't show up, they probably would have photoshopped us in and said how crazy we were. Were the rest of those people at the rally crazies too? Should I not have showed up at all because I'm afraid somebody's going to paint me as a kool-aid drinking hippy? HELL NO. Townhall does not choose what stances I promote. I was out there to spread all worthy messages, not just the convenient ones. In fact, before we started marching, a 9/11 truth informer gave me his megaphone to alert the people about Northcom's martial law drill coming up and I was happy to do it - WITH MY RON PAUL SIGN IN HAND.

Before we started to march, dozens of people took pictures of my sign and I encouraged it. Why? Because the more we can associate Ron Paul the Republican with Ending the War, the better. When we marched I got the opportunity to speak with many people from all walks of life. I spoke with paulites, socialists, 80 year olds to 12 year olds, government officials, truthers, Webster Tarpley (that was an interesting one), and on and on. The constant theme between these people was that most of them didn't even know who Ron Paul was!

Liberty Eagle, I respect you A LOT and have learned a great deal from you. But how can you say that spreading the Ron Paul name to people who are so vehemently against the war, enough so that they would attend a rally, is a detrimental act just because some pundits are going to spin it? It just doesn't make any sense to me. Townhall readers are not our target market, the people at the rally WERE our target market. When we reached the capital, a RP supporter with a megaphone let me go off and we passed out hundreds of flyers in 10 minutes! You could say there was some interest...

There were a lot of pro-war people at the rally. Mostly they were just antagonizing us. They held signs from the Bush swipe file like, "Support our troops", "Safer since 9/11", "Support our president", "Stay the course", and my favorite "Hippies smell." I was really discouraged to relearn that people like this existed. Not everyone was hostile but most were and 95% of them didn't have any coherent argument for the war, only personal attacks. One girl kept making fun of my shoes, like that was some kind of way to discredit my stances (nike flyers?). The unfortunate truth is most of these people will not change. But I had the unique opportunity to talk with mothers on the other side of the gate who either had a son in the war or dead from the war or one of both. I was ASTONISHED to learn how pro-war they were, although I understand that they do not want their sons to die or fight in vain. I did my best to inform them that they are dying and fighting in vain right now and their stubbornness to see passed the lies was not helping the cause, only putting their family in danger. If I affected change in one person's opinion on the other side of the fence (literally speaking), then I believe I did a service to our troops, the Iraqi people, and the American people.

The biggest problem I saw with the rally was that there weren't ENOUGH Ron Paul supporters there. Even if you weren't promoting Ron Paul there, why didn't you show up? Aren't you against the war, the meaningless deaths, the out of control spending, and the threat against our liberties? Aren't you an American patriot enough to stand up to the President and insist that he cannot commit any crime he pleases and skate by? What are you really for? Are you for your own self interests that Ron Paul is supporting or are you for freedom, prosperity, and peace? Are you really going to sit by and let some people on a forum tell you not to support the things you believe in because it could potentially alienate already alienated voters? Is that how you affect REAL CHANGE?

Those who were there in support of Ron Paul realize what an opportunity it was for us and WE MISSED IT! But I did my best and I will do the same at the next End the war/Impeach Bush rally because of the tremendous exposure I provided to our target voters. I'll do the same thing at a 9/11 truth rally or any other rally where I can find voters who might be interested in hearing an honest politician speak, even if he doesn't directly support the positions of the rally. I thank all the Ron Paul supporters who showed up, even if they didn't promote Ron Paul at the rally.

Truth and fact supersede all. If some dude on Townhall wants to mock the thousands of people at the rally, let him. What he is saying is not truth or fact. Therefore, you shouldn't even be putting it out into space because it's irrelevant and will only further false propoganda. What is truth is that American citizens gave up their freedom by intentionally getting arrested trying to deliver a message to congressmen in a publicly owned building and thousand risked arrest in a die-in. Those are the people we should be talking about. I don't even care whether they vote for Ron Paul because we're already united in patriotism and that's the true cause here. Political elections are just a dog and pony show. No election will ever give us our freedom back. We will only get our liberties back if we TAKE them back - and that includes supporting and attending any rally that supports freedom, peace, truth, or love. Over and out.

I appreciate your support of of RP. I was one of the people that was dismayed at the association of RP with the Soviet Flag and the organizing group. What caused my emotions to get out of hand was the defence of communism by some posters. All I ask is if you see the Soviet flag crossing in front of you hide the RP sign. I can fully see the evil things our country has done but no one will ever convince me that it was all a big American conspiricy and the Soviet communists did nothing wrong. My Grandmother fled the soviet tanks in what now is the Czech Republic. She hated them with a passion but was a die hard Democrat.
The picture of the soldiers father being attacked made me sick. I don't care what those guys did or did not do for their country, that father should be respected in his grief

 

[slantedview]

Not me.

It's the story that should be reported.

(Note: I don't mean, "It's the story that should be reported instead of your report" but "It's the story that should be reported instead of the 'there were Ron Paul supporters in the crowd' stories.")

I read the article, but I am still dumbfounded. Why on earth would people, veterans or anyone really, attack the father of a dead soldier!? WTF?

 

[quickmike]

Quickmike, this is not something I would have expected to hear from your mouth (even though I know you might be kidding). First, can you not control yourself? Second, the only reason I didn't voluntary get arrested on Saturday is because I'm poor as shit and I couldn't afford to miss my flight. Stop being a pansy and making excuses about why you CAN'T do things. Get out there and fight. They can't arrest all of us.

On another note, we should all go the capitol and make citizens' arrests on the officers who did not allow us access to a publicly owned building to deliver a message to congressmen, which is a violation of the 1st amendment, freedom to protest. THEY are the ones who swore to uphold the constitution. THEY are the enemy combatants. THEY are the ones committing treason. Arrest THEM!

what I meant is that I have a VERY bad temper when I see bullies taking advantage of someone. If I were there, undoubtedly I would have made a run straight at that guy and ripped his throat out. When I get mad like that, I see nothing but red and that wouldnt have solved anything. Im normaly a very passive person, but when I see someone using force on another person, my personality completely does a 180 and I can become very aggressive and out of control. Anyone that knows me can testify to this. They say "wow, mikes such a friendly, funny guy, but MAN, I never expected something like that coming from him." so its probably best for my own safety and the safety of the assholes who I might attack to just do what I do best, that is handing out flyers to people and talking to them about Ron Paul.


Besides, I dont live anywhere even close to any anti-war rallies.

 

[1000-points-of-fright]

"Freedom! Yeah! Freedom to think like I think! Everyone else is wrong and should be dealt with accordingly!"

"We wanna be free! We wanna be free to do what we wanna do. We wanna be free to ride. We wanna be free to ride our machines without being hassled by The Man! ... And we wanna get loaded." - Peter Fonda, The Wild Angels (1966)

 

[Blowback]

Thank you for the support.

No, thank you for getting out there and doing something. You probably started a wildfire of Ron Paul ideas at the event. Finding Ron Paul voters at an anti-war rally is like shooting fish in a barrel.

 

[ScotTX]

Way to go, dseisner. You know, if Ron Paul doesn't have a problem with going on Alex Jones' show regularly, I don't think there should be an issue with you guys demonstrating at a rally like this, especially since there were so many different ideas being represented at that rally (anti-war/9-11Truth/Commie). Even if we don't personally agree with some of those ideas, those people are typically very receptive of the freedom message (except maybe the commies) and we can't spend too much time trying to convert the republican base who ultimately will not vote for Ron Paul based on his social issues like "No amendment to prohibit gay marriage" and "End the war on drugs". Let's get votes anywhere we can!

 

[dseisner]

what I meant is that I have a VERY bad temper when I see bullies taking advantage of someone. If I were there, undoubtedly I would have made a run straight at that guy and ripped his throat out. When I get mad like that, I see nothing but red and that wouldnt have solved anything. Im normaly a very passive person, but when I see someone using force on another person, my personality completely does a 180 and I can become very aggressive and out of control. Anyone that knows me can testify to this. They say "wow, mikes such a friendly, funny guy, but MAN, I never expected something like that coming from him." so its probably best for my own safety and the safety of the assholes who I might attack to just do what I do best, that is handing out flyers to people and talking to them about Ron Paul.


Besides, I dont live anywhere even close to any anti-war rallies.

So what you're saying is, "No, I cannot control myself." Which is fine with me.

But your last line is a copout dude. Did you notice where I live? About as far as possible from Washington DC. If you live anywhere in the US, Washington DC is accessible to you with any effort.

 

[dseisner]

No, thank you for getting out there and doing something. You probably started a wildfire of Ron Paul ideas at the event. Finding Ron Paul voters at an anti-war rally is like shooting fish in a barrel.

I'm not sure about the wildfire (at least I hope), but you're right about your second statement. It was so easy for me to pass out fliers that we ran out too fast. All I had to chant was, "Ron Paul is the only true Pro-peace candidate. The democrats do not want to end the war. Obama is fooling you." And so on and people would flock TO ME. People would come and grab a flier instead of me having to put it in their hand as you have to do on a street corner or at a supermarket or wherever you are sign-waving.

 

[hells_unicorn]

This post is not specifically addressed to Liberty Eagle but to all the nay-sayers about Ron Paul's presence in DC on Saturday.

All events are opportunities and we should talk to anyone who will listen. I'm getting tired of all the damned "this is going to hurt Ron Paul" or "he shouldn't have done that" nonsense. If we narrow our audience at all, we lose, period. Thank you for doing this, unfortunately I was unable to make it down there, although I am in full support of what the protest was aiming for.

 

[dseisner]

I appreciate your support of of RP. I was one of the people that was dismayed at the association of RP with the Soviet Flag and the organizing group.

Well, I don't see how we were actually associating with them besides agreeing on one issue. If communists want peace then I agree with them, regardless of their past acts or current ideas. That's like when people argue the constitution with me by saying it didn't even acknowledge slaves or women as humans. That MAY be true but it doesn't take away from the brilliance of the documents or the minds that crafted it. So whether or not communists were responsible for your mother's horror is irrelevant because you could just as easily say that democracy is responsible for the current horrors. It's not the ideas, it's the people.

 

[Nefertiti]

What caused my emotions to get out of hand was the defence of communism by some posters. All I ask is if you see the Soviet flag crossing in front of you hide the RP sign. I can fully see the evil things our country has done but no one will ever convince me that it was all a big American conspiricy and the Soviet communists did nothing wrong. My Grandmother fled the soviet tanks in what now is the Czech Republic. She hated them with a passion but was a die hard Democrat.

No one is defending communism, but we are defending the rights of Americans who believe in communism to believe in it and talk about it. Your mother fled SOVIET tanks, not Communist tanks. She fled SOVIET tanks, not American Communist tanks. Don't blame the ideology for the heinous acts. That's like blaming Islam for 911. It's ridiculous and is the worst form of lumping a group of people together based on what they believe, not on what they actually do. As I mentioned in the other thread, I had two Communist family members. One was a civil rights lawyer who defended the rights of lots of people who were wrongly accused of crimes they didn't commit. He was out there defending blacks in the 1930s before the civil rights movement even existed, he was defending foreigners who were being accused of crimes on the grounds the lawsuits were unconstitutional. He wasn't driving that tank your mother faced.

 

[dseisner]

No one is defending communism, but we are defending the rights of Americans who believe in communism to believe in it and talk about it. Your mother fled SOVIET tanks, not Communist tanks. She fled SOVIET tanks, not American Communist tanks. Don't blame the ideology for the heinous acts. That's like blaming Islam for 911. It's ridiculous and is the worst form of lumping a group of people together based on what they believe, not on what they actually do. As I mentioned in the other thread, I had two Communist family members. One was a civil rights lawyer who defended the rights of lots of people who were wrongly accused of crimes they didn't commit. He was out there defending blacks in the 1930s before the civil rights movement even existed, he was defending foreigners who were being accused of crimes on the grounds the lawsuits were unconstitutional. He wasn't driving that tank your mother faced.

Well said. Communism isn't the evil, even though we are taught that due to the bad name it may have been given by the different communist/socialist/fascist regimes in the past. It's the PTB that use those systems of government to control people that are evil.

 

[Anti Federalist]

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