My Mill is up and running!

[Acala]

Yup

It is easy enough to deduce by the casualness with which virtual paupers now regularly propose to raise MILLIONS of dollars for political candidates -- who will go on to be hamstrung or corrupted like the legions of politicians who came and conquered or were conquered before them -- that Populist Pools of money might be better directed toward outfitting local communities with needed hardware.

Needed hardware and/or arable land. Better than PMs for the long haul.

 

[cheapseats]

Acala that is great but maybe you should be quiet on that as other people may roam and collect it if times get tough. I am not being negative just reasonale and I am proud of you.

But you ARE being Fearful. You had no stomach for a thread that expressed absence of sentimentality over execution of cops in an American city NOTORIOUS for police brutality.

Hang together, hang separately.

THE MORE THE MERRIER. HIDE IN PLAIN SIGHT. That is MY advice. It is EASY for them to come down like a ton of bricks on one or two developments. Not so on a hundred or three hundred. They don't have the resources. Plus, what would the neighbors think?

That said, secure correspondence/relay of information is imperative. Ben Franklin's mail delivery was vital to the overtaxed, under-represented Colonists' independence from the Crown.

 

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Needed hardware and/or arable land. Better than PMs for the long haul.

Fer SURE, hold that thought.

By the by, met farmers in December 2007 when I went to the Iowa Caucuses who said even then that farm boys be runnin' their equipment on diesel fuel that they make themselves. Gas was sky-high, and Monsanto's hybrid had triple the price of seed corn.

And compromised America as Breadbasket of the World, it bears remembering.

They said that sugar beets or sugar cane would be more efficient in production of ethanol, skipping the starch-to-sugar conversion.

Water, water, water on the sugar cane. But C&H Sugar in Hawaii, I am told but have no confirmation, supplies all their own energy needs with sugar cane AND exports to the grid.

 

[Acala]

Ethanol

Fer SURE, hold that thought.

By the by, met farmers in December 2007 when I went to the Iowa Caucuses who said even then that farm boys be runnin' their equipment on diesel fuel that they make themselves. Gas was sky-high, and Monsanto's hybrid had triple the price of seed corn.

And compromised America as Breadbasket of the World, it bears remembering.

They said that sugar beets or sugar cane would be more efficient in production of ethanol, skipping the starch-to-sugar conversion.

Water, water, water on the sugar cane. But C&H Sugar in Hawaii, I am told but have no confirmation, supplies all their own energy needs with sugar cane AND exports to the grid.

Ethanol is challenging, especially if you want to use starch as a feedstock. The whole process is water-intensive (a BIG issue here in the desert) and energy-intensive. And you need a source of enzymes to break down the starch. Which means that if you want to be independent, you need to grow a bunch of barley.

I still think it can be done: using solar energy to supplant much of the heating fuel, recovering the water with condensers, and using reject mesquite pods as the feed stock. But it isn't nearly as easy as running vegetable oil in a diesel.

 

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Needed hardware and/or arable land. Better than PMs for the long haul.

With vehicles among the hardware. A diesel big-rig apiece. And a spare would be better. The more the merrier, with big rigs. They are akin to Centers, Guards and Tackles in football. As it happens, lots o' big rigs for sale. Cheap, I heard. From all the independent truckers who were driven out of business when the price of fuel was on up toward $5/gallon.

Ye old General Store plus delivery of goods/services/information will be the genesis of peer-to-peer lending, which is vital to independence from Banksters.

Financial Freedom is right up there with Food, Water and Energy.

 

[Dieseler]

Sure, to the best of my recollection.

The hammer mill came from Meadows mills. It is their number 5 and with the flour handling option I think it cost about $3000

The engine is a 13 hp s195 diesel from Golden Flying Fish Diesel Engine Company in China. I love the name. I bought it (and the oil press) from a guy named Joel Koch. I just emailed him to ask if he has another engine. He gave me a deal on the engine because I bought the seed press too. ~$350

There are very similar engines from other Chinese makers.

I had custom pulleys made so I could use an easily available automotive serpentine belt. That was another $100

The seed press is also of Chinese origin and cost somewhere around $2000.

I was planning on using the one engine to run both the mill and the press, but have decided to get another engine if possible so I can have more flexibility AND have a backup.





I think you are correct. If this economic mess lasts as long as Great Depression I (and I think it will) very few people are going to be able to store enough food to last. The better approach is to figure out a way to fit into a more localized, near-subsistence economy.

Thanks Acala, good info there.

It is easy enough to deduce by the casualness with which virtual paupers now regularly propose to raise MILLIONS of dollars for political candidates -- who will go on to be hamstrung or corrupted like the legions of politicians who came and conquered or were conquered before them -- that Populist Pools of money might be better directed toward outfitting local communities with needed hardware.

You got that shit right.

 

[cheapseats]

Only IF you stop trying to make a politician out of me! BAD Cheapseats!

But m'lord, I am NOT trying to make a politician out of you. I am trying to persuade you to assume the mantle of Statesman.

A Statesman passes on the mantle as quickly as possible, and returns to the affairs which have been established by his own interests rather than by the general welfare. Politicians make CAREERS out of meddling in everything and bossing around everyone. Statesmen are altogether different, and very rare.

Like mesquite flour.

 

[LibertyEagle]

But m'lord, I am NOT trying to make a politician out of you. I am trying to persuade you to assume the mantle of Statesman.

A Statesman passes on the mantle and returns as quickly as possible, and returns to the affairs which have been established by his own interests rather than by the general welfare. Politicians make CAREERS out of meddling in everything and bossing around everyone. Statesmen are altogether different, and very rare.

Like mesquite flour.

Well-said.

 

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Well-said.

Especially the and returns as quickly as possible, and returns part, dontcha think?

Acala or John McCain, Acala or John McCain -- hmm, lemme think.

Done.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Especially the and returns as quickly as possible, and returns part, dontcha think?

Absolutely!

 

[Pericles]

First, my admiration to the OP for a great achievement.

Second, creating locally centered economies with little external dependence is probably going to happen with or without aur assistance.

 

[cheapseats]

First, my admiration to the OP for a great achievement.

Second, creating locally centered economies with little external dependence is probably going to happen with or without aur assistance.

With or without APPROVAL. If they will be sound, if they will thrive and proliferate, and especially if they will be idiosyncratic rather than identical, I feel certain that assistance of the most proactive sort is in order.

You-not-you get what you make, or you get what they give you.

With respect and affection, I think YOU should take an At Bat in Washington, too. I would vote for you in a heartbeat. So, presumably, would the X number of hundreds of Patriots who -- HAVING NOT A DAMN THING TO LOSE AND, JEEPERS, EVERYTHING TO GAIN -- arrived in town in one fell swoop.

Like "we" did in Baghdad - only without all the CARNAGE, MAYHEM, DEATH AND DESTRUCTION.

 

[Acala]

Lol

Acala or John McCain, Acala or John McCain -- hmm, lemme think.

John McCain. Because Acala will not tell the people what they want to hear. They want to hear things that feed their fear, anger, hatred, sadness, pride, greed, lust, shame, guilt, etc. Acala doesn't speak that language and isn't about to try and learn it now.

 

[Acala]

Thanks

Thanks to all of you for all the kind words about this project. It is really nice to get such positive feedback from people I respect so very much. I will report back again when I have completed another phase.

 

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John McCain. Because Acala will not tell the people what they want to hear. They want to hear things that feed their fear, anger, hatred, sadness, pride, greed, lust, shame, guilt, etc. Acala doesn't speak that language and isn't about to try and learn it now.

You seem like the Type that might have missed the film An American President. Michael Douglas? Annette Bening? No, I thought not.

It is more efficient to Google Michael J. Fox's monologue than re-invent the wheel:

A.J.: "The President doesn't answer to you, Lewis."

Lewis: "Oh yes, he does, A.J. I'm a citizen, this is my president, and in this country it is not only permissible to question our leaders, it is our responsibility. But you already know that, Mr. President, because you have a deeper love of this country than any man I've ever known, and I want to know what it says to you that in the past seven weeks 59 percent of Americans have begun to question your patriotism?" Shepherd "SHEPHERD Look, if people want to listen to Bob Rumson--" Lewis: "They don't have a choice! Rob Rumson's the only one doing the talking. People want leadership. And in the absence of genuine leadership, they will listen to anyone who steps up to the microphone. They want leadership, Mr. President. They're so thirsty for it, they'll crawl through the desert toward a mirage, and when they discover there's no water, they'll drink the sand."

All Seriousness, see you in January.

 

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One of my redneck brothers, upon purchase of defensible property in a remote-for-California area, learned that there would be so much aggravation regarding a particular fence and barn, he found it convenient to simply join whatever Board made those rules.

People are fairly malleable from the get-go, for all our stubborn blustering. Highly suggestible. Or we wouldn't be in this shit stew. Then there is flexibility inspired by desperation, necessity being the mother of invention. On the Recovery Circuit, the concept is known as being beaten into a state of Reasonableness. I think the People are opener to suggestion than they've been, gee whiz, SINCE THEY ELECTED BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA.

It would be extremely helpful to have fundamentally anti-federalist Representatives in Washington. Not that they would SELL themselves as Anti-Federalist. Anti is so very . . . ANTI.

PRO.

CAN DO.

I've laughed a gazillion times about the Right-Left thing. I mean, don't get me wrong, GENIUS on the part of the Republicans. But the Democrats? Are we kidding me? You nabbed Right, is that right? Good choice. Alrighty then, guess we'll be Left.

Only Wrong would have established steeper incline to an uphill battle.

 

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Given advancements in technology and increases in population, most of the gallavanting-one-might-say-jet-setting between Constituency and Washington is unnecessary. Given our FINANCIAL DURESS, we should eliminate as much of it as possible.

Secret Service, too. RIDICULOUS expense, all things considered.

It seems likely that Prepared Types could, indeed might prefer to see to their own Security.

 

[tpreitzel]

Works GREAT! The mill makes nice flour and operates very efficiently. I estimate I could grind a year's supply of flour in a day or less. I took mesquite flour muffins to Thanksgiving!

I figure I will be able to grind mesquite and other crops for the locals in exchange for a percentage of their harvest. Or a little silver.

Now, this method is a good mechanism for local communities to use in reclaiming their independence. Make a product available and use the excess as a bargaining chip for other goods. Smart.

 

[Acala]

Yes

Now, this method is a good mechanism for local communities to use in reclaiming their independence. Make a product available and use the excess as a bargaining chip for other goods. Smart.

A return to the beneficial aspects of being social creatures - free trade and cooperative protection from predation.

My neighbors will get a gentle introduction to the philosophy of liberty and an invitation to support the local Committee of Safety along with their mesquite muffins!

 

[Meatwasp]

But you ARE being Fearful. You had no stomach for a thread that expressed absence of sentimentality over execution of cops in an American city NOTORIOUS for police brutality.

Hang together, hang separately.

THE MORE THE MERRIER. HIDE IN PLAIN SIGHT. That is MY advice. It is EASY for them to come down like a ton of bricks on one or two developments. Not so on a hundred or three hundred. They don't have the resources. Plus, what would the neighbors think?

That said, secure correspondence/relay of information is imperative. Ben Franklin's mail delivery was vital to the overtaxed, under-represented Colonists' independence from the Crown.

I never read what you write but someone told me what you wrote. I told you once you are so full of bs I hope you never fall in my river or you would stain it 10 miles down. I still hold the same opinion.