My Homeowner association requesting Ron Paul yard signs be taken down!!!

[Danny Molina]

You signed into this it's your fault.

 

[Rhys]

Actually, I want to add...

Everyone who is bashing HOA's need to ask themselves who will maintain the 'common elements' of the property. Who will maintain the private roads, landscaping, parks or pools, legal action, day to day maintenance?

That is the purpose of a HOA. It is not a Nazi thing. They also maintain your property value.

 

[Libertyiswinning]

I'm not sure I would advise you to resort to civil disobedience, but I would.

If it happenes to go as far as "attorneys" being involved, make sure to ask their "attorneys" if they're an American citizen. Question them about "titles of nobility and honor" and them pledging allegiance to the British crown via the bar exam. Ask them about the missing 13th amendment of our Constitution.

"If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive or retain any title of nobility or honor, or shall without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office, or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them."


I'm not sure but this probably applies to judges as well.



Also, any of these government officials who have been "Knighted" are no longer US citizens and can not hold positions of power and lose their rights to their ridiculous pensions.

I know this may not exactly apply to your situation, but it is worth mentioning:

Most of Congress(those who happen to be attorneys) are holding positions of power which they are not legally allowed to hold since they pledge allegiance to the British Crown when they take the bar exam.

 

[ecliptic]

awarded 23 internets!

You can deliver a flyer to everyones mailbox explaining that you have taken down your sign for Ron Paul because of a neighbours complaint.

Be sure to detail Ron Pauls platform in your flyer..WHY it is so important to communicate Dr. Pauls message.
Perhaps you could organize an informal meeting to get your message out.

I would particularly outline the media blackout.

good luck

Best in thread!


HOA's gone wild:

Tempers rise over thermometer

July 30, 2006

****** COUNTY - A sheriff's deputy was called to a ***** neighborhood for a dispute. The man who called police told the deputy that he was in his backyard filling his bird feeder when a stranger approached him and introduced himself as the HOA vice-president.

The VP told the man he needed to remove the temperature gauge affixed to his tree because it was a common property tree. The man explained that he'd placed the gauge there more than a year ago, and would like to see a complaint in writing if he was violating an HOA bylaw. The VP then said he had the authority to do whatever he wanted and removed the man's temperature gauge from the tree himself.

When the deputy tracked down the VP to ask him about the squabble, he explained that he'd taken the gauge home because it was broken and he intended to replace it. He told the deputy he had the power to remove whatever did not meet the rules from homeowners' properties, and that the police could not "unsurp" his authority at the HOA vice president.

The deputy gave him a ticket for theft.

The VP asked the deputy if he would be at his court date, and the deputy said he would. The VP said, "You had better be, if you're not, I will come after you." Legally, of course, he said when the deputy asked if he was threatening him.

 

[ord33]

A funny (at least to me) story unrelated to Ron Paul but in reference to HOA's and my family's disgust with them.

My parents are country folk, but moved to Muirfield (in Ohio) where the Memorial Tournament is played each Late May/Early June. My dad had got letters from the HOA complaining over several things.

* One for having too "many bags of mulch laying in the same place for too long of a period" (it was actually manure, but they didnt know any better)
* Another because the basketball pole did not match the color of our house (the pole was black and the house was all brick with some grayish painted trim. My dad complied and painted the pole gray.
* The house was built in 1978 and never had a complaint for over 20 years about the windows, but after 20 years someone complained about the color of the window trim not complying with Association rules. My dad was getting pissed at this point, but he did comply by painting the window trim a different color. That had threatened to revoke privileges within the community such as use of bike paths, hiking trails, community pool, and levy quite substantial fines.

So what does he do? My parents' house is on the golf course and you can frequently see it on TV when they do their aerial blimp shots. Just prior to the week of the golf tournament which is nationally televised he makes a HUGE (about 10 x 30 foot) banner that said "Chew Mail Pouch Tobacco - Treat Yourself To The Best" and put it on the roof. We saw it many times on TV Thursday through Sunday and got a real kick out of it! It was just funny because the neighborhood for the most part is so snotty and arrogant to have my dad's message there looked so out of place. We loved it! And my parents have never received another complaint since!

 

[expatriot]

The New Slaves (Skin Color optional this time around)

Bad advice. A private property may be subject to more than one private owner and in this case the association has rights to the private property that restrict some of the homeowner's rights. Also, civil disobedience is an act against a government. An association is not a government. It is an private group of people associated for a common purpose. Don't forget that the First Amendment not only protects free speech but also protects freedom of association. In this case, the homeowner entered into a contract (no one put a gun to his head and forced him to do so) with the association that he would abide by their bylaws in exchange for living within the association. If the homeowner doesn't like the bylaws, then the homeowner can leave and sell his property.

By this logic we ought to be able to reinstitute slavery,
just call it an association and sign over our rights for some kind of gratification.

Prostitution ought to be legal by this sort of mental rail-jumping.

This could be a lot of fun, come to think of it...

think of all the truly mind-blowing things the first amendment lends itself to
in the form of contractually abandoning all your freedoms and liberties!

Maybe I could get rich off this - giving people worthless pap in return for their
God-given American birthrights of freedom of speech!

Wait a minute - that's already being done, shucks!

 

[EvilEngineer]

Find the people running the home owners association. Then bribe, gag, intimidate... what ever it takes.

Torries and loyalists to the false crown of the Imperial America should get exactly the same treatment as what our forefathers of liberty did in their day.

 

[Telkandore]

I was gonna suggest the following but they've already been said:

1. Put a sign in all your windows/doors that face the street, since your living room's not your yard.

2. Fly a RP flag, though they might fight you on that too. I wish there was some kind of symbol that everyone would identify as representing Ron Paul but didn't have his name. Maybe Ben Franklin's don't tread on me flag? That would be pretty funny if they tried to stop you from flying an American flag.

 

[hawks4ronpaul]

Eventually we probably will learn that the Iraq and Afghan debacles were caused by the neocons starting HOAs there, and "the Coalition" is actually just a large HOA.

http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/

 

[Redcard]

I don't get why you're all seemingly against free trade and unregulated business.

Look, the poster made a decision to live somewhere that is managed by a HOA. If he doesn't like it, he can move. Ron Paul is not going to come out and help him because he was stupid enough to not read the covenant agreements.

He says he's the only one with a sign in the yard, and says "Well, that shows you who they were targetting."

No, it shows me that everyone else knows how to follow the rules they signed up for and you do not.

Look, I'm sorry that you think the rules shouldn't apply to you even though you agreed to them, but you need to take responsiblity for the fact that you agreed to them. If you think Ron Paul is going to help you in the future, then understand that you're WRONG.. that Paul is for MORE states rights and less federal government. He's for less business regulation.

My advice to you, if you don't wish to follow the rules you agreed to follow, is to sell your house and move to somewhere else. And for God's sake, read what you sign in the future.

 

[paul_v]

I think in Texas you can put up political signs within 30 days of an election. It's state law which trumps any HOA.

Anyways, I cant believe you guys are making such a big stink over putting up signs. Being uncooperative isnt winning votes for Ron Paul. You really need to see what's more important...being stubborn or following the rules.

 

[JenaS62]

This is the main reason I hate gated communities. Their stupid rules. Don't fence me in I say.

 

[hocaltar]

Order a Ron Paul flag.

 

[[email protected]]

My HOA doesn't allow one either, and I have had one in my yard since August.

 

[bucfish]

Put a sign on Your roof especially if you are anywhere near an airport!!!

 

[ValidusCustodiae]

You can't sign away your rights.

Yes you can. The one unlimited right you have is the right to contract. It trumps all other rights. You can waive those rights in a contract all day long.

 

[speciallyblend]

hint dont bother with hoa's or condo associations, better off selling your house,then getting out of contracts,you really dont even own the home,your just a renter in a hoa with a mortgage payment.

 

[DGambler]

For those of you that don't live in HOA's are are thinking about buying into an HOA, read this (straight out of my covenants):

EACH OWNER, BY ACCEPTANCE OF A DEED CONVEYING A LOT SUBJECT TO THIS DECLARATION, WAIVES ANY RIGHT WHICH OWNER MAY HAVE UNDER THE CONSTITUTION OR LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO NOTICE OR TO A JUDICIAL HEARING PRIOR TO THE EXERCISE OF ANY RIGHT OR REMEDY PROVIDED BY THIS DECLARATION AND OWNER WAIVES OWNER’S RIGHTS, IF ANY, TO SET ASIDE OR INVALIDATE ANY SALE DULY CONSUMATED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THIS DECLARATION ON THE GROUND (IF SUCH BE THE CASE) THAT THE SALE WAS CONSUMATED WITHOUT A PRIOR JUDICIAL HEARING. ALL WAIVERS BY OWNERS IN THIS PARAGRAPH HAVE BEEN MADE VOLUNTARILY, INTELLIGENTLY AND KNOWINGLY, AFTER OWNER HAS FIRST BEEN ALLOWED THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONSULT LEGAL COUNSEL WITH RESPECT TO OWNER’S POSSIBLE RIGHTS.

Of course, when I bought my house, I didn't get to read the Covenants or By-Laws as the lawyer was racing me through all the paperwork to be signed in 30 minutes. When I asked about it he stated it was "standard" HOA verbiage. I never even looked at them until I started having trouble with them, and by that time it was too late.

 

[Redcard]

For those of you that don't live in HOA's are are thinking about buying into an HOA, read this (straight out of my covenants):



Of course, when I bought my house, I didn't get to read the Covenants or By-Laws as the lawyer was racing me through all the paperwork to be signed in 30 minutes. When I asked about it he stated it was "standard" HOA verbiage. I never even looked at them until I started having trouble with them, and by that time it was too late.

That's why you should have a realtor or lawyer when you make a purchase. My realtor made them stop and explain EVERY WORD on EVERY PIECE OF PAPER , to my satisfaction, before I signed it. He even had some parts of the contract changed/altered on the scene for me.

A harsh lesson for you D, but.. hopefully you learned, no?

 

[DGambler]

That's why you should have a realtor or lawyer when you make a purchase. My realtor made them stop and explain EVERY WORD on EVERY PIECE OF PAPER , to my satisfaction, before I signed it. He even had some parts of the contract changed/altered on the scene for me.

A harsh lesson for you D, but.. hopefully you learned, no?

Yep, I learned. This was my 1st house... if I ever move to another HOA neighborhood, I'll either be modifying the contract or not moving there.

I'm planning on running for the HOA President position this year with some other "radical change agents" and our goal will be to modifying the covenants to a more home owner friendly one.