My gripe with most major religions

[T-K]

I just cant understand how god could make a being that would suffer eternally for a problem they where born with especially when that being didn't even have a choice to be born. I was raised Baptist BTW

I am not taking anything away from the human condition. Humans are corrupt no doubt my self included and I wish everyday I could let it out of me.

Just putting that out there would like to see how others think

 

[sophocles07]

You

are

right

 

[yongrel]

 

[The One]

My gripe is that only one religion has a clause that affords me the opportunity to get my hands on 99 virgins, but I have to do some fucked-up shit to meet the requirements.

 

[amy31416]

Wow.

That's the first LOL-Dawkins I've ever seen. The internet has everything.

 

[Uriel999]

My gripe is that only one religion has a clause that affords me the opportunity to get my hands on 99 virgins, but I have to do some fucked-up shit to meet the requirements.

And rivers flow with wine too...which I have actually never understood because muslims are not allowed to drink.

 

[Conza88]

Hahah. *Yells in a 'father calling for his son after he has broken something' voice*

THEOCRATTT!!!!

 

[rational thinker]

My gripe is that only one religion has a clause that affords me the opportunity to get my hands on 99 virgins, but I have to do some fucked-up shit to meet the requirements.

Wrong. Way to cluster culture along with religion.

 

[LittleLightShining]

I just cant understand how god could make a being that would suffer eternally for a problem they where born with especially when that being didn't even have a choice to be born. I was raised Baptist BTW

I am not taking anything away from the human condition. Humans are corrupt no doubt my self included and I wish everyday I could let it out of me.

Just putting that out there would like to see how others think

I'm not sure what religion you're referring to as there are literally hundreds of them to choose from. And I don't understand what sort of problem one could be born with that would cause them eternal suffering.

sophocles, you jumped the gun because there's nothing in the OP to be right about.

 

[acptulsa]

T-K, your homework assignment is to find the description of the fire and brimstone hell in your Bible this week.

When you fail, you may have learned not to take what that Baptist preacher of yours says quite so seriously...

 

[T-K]

T-K, your homework assignment is to find the description of the fire and brimstone hell in your Bible this week.

When you fail, you may have learned not to take what that Baptist preacher of yours says quite so seriously...

I didn't argue that the bible teaches fire and brimstone and Im not going to argue that it doesn't either. Jehovah witness's seem to be the only ones that don't hold the fire and brimstone belief. I was merely pointing out how the vast majority of churches preach and I don't understand how someone can feel that its right.

I'm not sure what religion you're referring to as there are literally hundreds of them to choose.

most of Christian and Islamic denominations sorry for not being as clear and yes I realize they are a small percentage of all religions but a lot of people follow them.

 

[LittleLightShining]

I still don't really understand your point. I don't know anything about Islam so I can't speak about that but I can give my Christian perspective.

There is no condition that one is born with that would cause eternal suffering.

 

[T-K]

basically everyone is born with sin, everyman sins and its impossible not to

 

[Conza88]

basically everyone is born with sin, everyman sins and its impossible not to

Kind of reminds me of socialists... you know, man needs to be lead... inherently bad etc..

 

[LittleLightShining]

basically everyone is born with sin, everyman sins and its impossible not to

See, this is why I don't go to church. You grew up Baptist and you don't understand basic Christianity?

 

[acptulsa]

There is no condition that one is born with that would cause eternal suffering.

Depends on if you ask Calvin (or, he being long dead, a strict Calvanist if you can find one). His take is we are born having a conscience or not, and if we get one it will see us into heaven. On the one hand, this has pretty much been rejected in favor of free will because if religion has a use in the earthly sphere, it is encouraging us to be civil to one another.

On the other, Calvin's thinking was (to put it simply) if someone's going to lose big in the afterlife how un-Christian would it be to lord it over them in this life? And, truth be known, there's something to that. There are fundamentalist type people here and there (yes, here on the forum, though I think I'll not name names) who will happily lord their good fortune over anyone who doesn't run away from them first. And they do it under the guise of "making a joyful noise" and "spreading the good news". Both those verses put the lie to Calvin's theory, but both also specify joyful noises and good news, and more than a few of these types are a bit too dour to pull that off...

Anyway, one can be born into circumstances that make it difficult. And if you, for example, buy into Southern Baptist dogma, someone born in a part of the world where the name Jesus is unheard of (they exist) doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell even if they spend more time comforting the afflicted than Mother Theresa ever did. Which is plainly goofy.

Thus my earlier post. In my opinion, false prophets abound. Caveat emptor.

 

[LittleLightShining]

Depends on if you ask Calvin (or, he being long dead, a strict Calvanist if you can find one). His take is we are born having a conscience or not, and if we get one it will see us into heaven. On the one hand, this has pretty much been rejected in favor of free will because if religion has a use in the earthly sphere, it is encouraging us to be civil to one another.

On the other, Calvin's thinking was (to put it simply) if someone's going to lose big in the afterlife how un-Christian would it be to lord it over them in this life? And, truth be known, there's something to that. There are fundamentalist type people here and there (yes, here on the forum, though I think I'll not name names) who will happily lord their good fortune over anyone who doesn't run away from them first. And they do it under the guise of "making a joyful noise" and "spreading the good news". Both those verses put the lie to Calvin's theory, but both also specify joyful noises and good news, and more than a few of these types are a bit too dour to pull that off...

I don't know anything about Calvin. I'm not really much into other people's interpretation of scripture with one exception-- prophecy. I think it best to read the Bible for one's self and reflect on it prayerfully. It can be helpful to bounce ideas off of other people but no one person has all the answers and no one denomination has all the bases covered.

Anyway, one can be born into circumstances that make it difficult. And if you, for example, buy into Southern Baptist dogma, someone born in a part of the world where the name Jesus is unheard of (they exist) they don't stand a snowball's chance in hell even if they spend more time comforting the afflicted than Mother Theresa ever did. Which is plainly goofy.

Thus my earlier post. In my opinion, false prophets abound. Caveat emptor.

I don't believe that people who have never heard of Jesus will be judged in the same way that those of us who have will be. The more you know the more you are responsible for.

 

[acptulsa]

I'm with you all the way 'round, Little Light. I was just trying to explain where I thought the OP was coming from.

 

[T-K]

See, this is why I don't go to church. You grew up Baptist and you don't understand basic Christianity?

yes I do

sin is a choice yes but most churches teach that we inherit are sinful nature from Adam and that we cannot possible live a life without sin

 

[LittleLightShining]

yes I do

sin is a choice yes but most churches teach that we inherit are sinful nature from Adam and that we cannot possible live a life without sin

I know I sin. Sometimes I'm conscious of it when I'm sinning. Sometimes I need to reflect on my day and realize what I've done. It is our responsibility to try not to sin. And it's very important to cultivate a relationship with the Holy Spirit so that you become more aware of your actions.

The beauty of Christianity is that we have a means of forgiveness.