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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Monetary Offices - constitutional. They make rules such as not being allowed to melt down coins. That’s allowed, but most of the money in circulation is unconstitutional.[/FONT]
[MENTION=70500]EricMartin[/MENTION]

I don't see how it is constitutional to ban the melting of coins, a better example of a constitutional activity of this office would be banning the shaving of coins.
 
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Indian Affairs Bureau - This started in 1824 and is largely unconstitutional. While Indians are mentioned in the Constitution, all it really says is that they’re not to be taxed, they don’t count towards vote totals, and commerce with them may be regulated. So, regulating commerce with Indians is Constitutional, but nothing else is.[/FONT][SUP][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]61[/FONT][/SUP]
[MENTION=70500]EricMartin[/MENTION]

This should be part of the State Department tasked with dealing with treaties with the Indians.
 
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Court Services and Offender Supervision Agency for the District of Columbia[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif] - This should be done by the local D.C. government; it was started in 1997.[/FONT]
@EricMartin

But since Congress is given jurisdiction over D.C. it is Constitutional, it may be a good idea to hand it over to the municipal government but it would take an act of Congress.
 
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]National Capital Planning Commission – This Commission must immediately and henceforward cease all functions, including those dealing with D.C. parks; however, the previous portion notwithstanding, Federal buildings that carry out Constitutional functions may be dealt with;[/FONT]
@EricMartin

Congress has jurisdiction over D.C. as I said above so this is Constitutional.
 
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board – This Board must immediately and henceforward cease all functions, especially those regarding privacy or other rights not found in the Constitution, but it may continue ensuring Constitutional rights;[/FONT]
@EricMartin

The 4thA guarantees a right to privacy at least to the extent of forbidding unreasonable and unwarranted searches, so long as this board sticks to actual Constitutional rights I see nothing wrong with it.
 
To establish Post Offices and post Roads; - Arguments have been made either way as to whether Congress can build roads or designate roads as “post” roads, so it may currently be Constitutional to build post roads, but much of the current road building by the Federal Government has nothing to do with the Post or the Postal Service, so it is unconstitutional.

While presently the post office is Constitutional, I personally would support an amendment that stripped the Federal Government of these Postal powers, and the Post Office could be auctioned off to any domestic entity and deregulated. Powers of Congress like this one are optional. We wouldn’t need an amendment to force the end of the post office, just Congressional action, but an amendment would make its removal more permanent.

In an age of the internet, email, and messaging apps, the government should not be required to secure cheap communication for all.
Affordable, nationwide communication was the goal of this power that has been delegated to the Federal Government, and since we now easily meet this goal without this Federal power, I would like to see the nation do away with it. Wouldn’t the Founders be proud to see us stripping away even more powers from the Federal Government, than their original intent?
@EricMartin

I disagree, neutral distribution of information is a necessity in a republic for a properly informed electorate, the current scandals involving liberal social media censoring conservatives demonstrates the perils of privatizing the Post Office, it might even be desirable to have the Post Office provide Internet services bound by the 1stA since that is merely a technological update of its mission.

Killing parcel delivery might be a good idea but since the post office makes most of its money on parcels it would be necessary to fully re-federalize the Post Office and run it with tax money.
 
The first nine Amendments have nothing to do with state governments. These amendments are rights for citizens that state governments can abridge. These amendments are limits on the Federal Government so that the Federal Government can’t make any laws infringing these various rights. The state governments can make any law abridging or granting these rights, at least according to the Constitution. The state constitutions already protect many rights, but that’s for the states to decide.

When the founders wrote the first nine amendments to the Bill of Rights, they intended for them to have nothing to do with limiting state governments.[SUP]139[/SUP]
@EricMartin

Here I disagree, other than when the 1stA says "Congress shall make no law" the Bill of Rights applies to the states, please note that the BoR doesn't repeat that specification anywhere else.
A4S2 states:

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

And just because there had been doubt the 14thA clarified it:

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;
 
OK, I've started and immediately came to the old Sam Adams quote:



I'm on page one and it may take me 41.3 years to finish, as I read slowly, but I thought I would point out for the sake of conversation and perhaps some clarity that an equally true version of that quote could go like this:



The latter is precisely what Theye and their useful idiots have been doing. Lately, BLM and Antifa come to mind, along with the rest of the "leftist" progressive weaklings who have been praying to the god of tyranny their entire lives. They may be despicable for their cowardice, ignorance, and blind avarice, but we must give credit even unto such creatures when they show virtue, however little and misapplied it may be: they get out there and ACT. They act abhorrently, but they act, which is a whole lot more than most of the rest of us do. And that is why they stand a good chance of leading those for whom they serve as useful idiots to eventual victory over the vast remainder. It's a sad thought, but there you have it. Those who would lord over you are winning in a big way as the rest of us sit idly, moaning about it while doing nothing of substance to stop it.

Humans.



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Because when they violate, we sit idly by and allow it. Words have come to mean nearly nothing in terms of acting as levers against official political vermin. Nor, in the absence of such effect, do we lynch them from street lamps. Therefore, there are no effective consequences for their felonious acts. Given this, what incentive have Theye to behave in accord with the Constitution? Answer: there is none and so here we find ourselves. No rocket surgery there.



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Ooooo... in a world of better men, I might agree, but not in this one. The mean human being is not in fact a human being but a mere simulacrum - a beast in human clothing. He is imbued through deep marination with what I have come to call The Four Necessities, which abbreviate to the convenient acronym "FAIL": Fear, Avarice, Ignorance, Lassitude.

Not to piss on your Constitutional parade, but the document is a cluster copulation of semantic and structural insufficiency. It was written for FREE men and not for those of lesser cloth. Sadly, America is now people with a strong majority of the latter and very few of the former. I might argue that America is a land with vanishingly few free men, but that's another discussion entirely.

The average man is a beast whose mental orientation comports strongly with Bastiat's quote on page 1. That is observable truth that no man of honesty and integrity may credibly deny, barring brain lesions or some other deep organic cognitive impairment. Because of this, a constitution, if we must insist on having such a document for free men - the apparent necessity of which, I will point out, pretty well proves my assertions about the nature of mean humanity - it must be far better conceived and executed than that under which we currently suffer, and I mean suffer.

As I have mentioned in this forum more than once in the past, I wrote such a constitution about 30 years ago as an academic exercise to see whether I could do it. I could and I did and it vastly outstrips what we now have in terms of structure, semantic clarity, and overall utility in terms of the reasons for which such a document ostensibly is contrived: the protection and guaranty of the rights of free men against the predations, violations, and other trespasses of their fellows.

And in so doing, my contrivances taught me a lesson I shall never forsake: no document can protect a man, for it is naught but words on paper. Without the rightful mind, a man is just another beast, immune to the higher reasoning of men, and uncaring that it is so. The righteously free man has little to no protection against the mob of mean men who, regardless of intentions good or nefarious, would strip a man of his innate freedoms and feed him to the wolves for no other reason than he has asserted his valid claims to life in apparent violation of the broader and perhaps even tacit edict that he "share" that which is rightly his with his "brothers".

We live in a world lousy with mental decay and filth where the majority is quite content to see men with guns vent their rage upon those who serve as reminders to that majority of just how less-than they are; what cowards; what grasping children; what ignorants; what loafers. The mean man hates the superior man precisely because the latter serves as the sorest reminder to the former of just what a low and vile creature is; something less than quite human.

In case you were wondering about my own Frankenstein's Monster, my constitution was constructed of two parts which I called the Nucleus and the Orbit. The Nucleus was immutable, containing the principles of proper human relations and the various derivatives used as the basis of authority. It would include a dictionary of all terms used therein, as well as the ENTIRE body of Law (note the capitalization, vis-a-vis "law"), which was VERY small. It included the fundamental criteria that must be satisfied in order to determine whether an act is a crime. Because none of those things can conceivably change with time and circumstance, they are sacrosanct and immutable. This, of course, would lead many to freak out because they are not free men, but something else. A truly free man accepts the risks of freedom, which can be high - even terminally so. Lesser men, whom I call Weakmen, seek to hedge their bets by placing constraints and other limitations and exceptions upon actual, proper human freedom. The worst of the beasts are those who most closely simulate Freemen and therefore hold the unearned credibility of the Freeman and are thereby so often successful in gaining the acceptance of their corruptions of the landscape of true liberty by the vast legions of Weakmen. THAT is the precise reason for declaring the Nucleus untouchable, because men will by small degrees alter what is immutably correct to better serve their corrupted ends.

The Orbit contained all that was of a changeable nature, with the proviso that nothing therein could in any way violate the protections of the Nucleus, any such violation being null, void, without force of Law, and authorizing any Freeman to take any steps he deems fit to protect himself from trespass by anyone attempting to foist or otherwise enforce such invalid mandates upon him, up to and including killing every individual so acting against him.

Orbital law, or "statute" as I would prefer to label it for the purposes of distinguishing it from Law, might treat things of a privileged nature such as the formation of corporations, again were we to insist on continuing to employ such legal fictions. The way I see it, if one seeks to enjoy some special privilege, and I strongly question the validity of such things, they may also be required to toe a line concomitant with such. If, for example, you choose the protections of the "corporate veil", you may be required to waive certain other basic rights under what might be very specific circumstances, such as the prima facie case of criminal negligence such that your corporate right to privacy is thereby annulled by order of a judge, whose ass would be on the line in the case he were to issue such an order without valid basis.

Under my constitution, "government" would quake in its boots in minute by minute fashion at the very thought of violating the sovereign rights of Freemen with treble sentencing and damages compared with the same crimes committed by non-governmental individuals. There would be no qualified immunities for anyone, at any time, for any reason. You violate, you face the music, circumstance notwithstanding such as "we were at war". If you want to presume to govern, you bear all the attendant risks. That alone would keep "government" tiny. It would keep corruption low because ANY many would be empowered to hold any government official accountable, with the understanding that any false charge brought against a government official would earn one the same treble penalties.

Yes sir, under my constitution, the nation would be a far quieter and more prosperous place, all the while those committing violations of trespass upon their fellows being held their feet to the fire. Conditions would be such that it would so deeply behoove all men to adopt a posture of great caution and circumspection where his treatment of others was concerned. Mannerliness would rapidly become abidingly fashionable and most men would not dare bring injury of any palpable form to his fellows.

That constitution and the social order it would engender might succeed because I believe there are enough people of such cloth to make it so, but there are no guarantees. It could go all wildly wrong, but those are the risks one must accept if he is serious about breaking free from the bonds of pretty slavery, which is the worst form of that vile institution and the one into which Americans appear to be so hopelessly locked.

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Actually, it is. By all appearances, it is indefinitely sustainable so long as certain conditions hold.

Osan, I agree with much of what you have written. You wrote that a constitution is a document that offers "the protection and guaranty of the rights of free men against the predations, violations, and other trespasses of their fellows." I agree that this may be the case. But the U.S. Constitution is very particular. It is a Constitution primarily concerned not with rights being stripped away from individuals by other individuals, but primary by the federal government. In other words, the U.S. Constitution is meant to restrain the federal government. It barely has another goal. The federal government could be considered one of the fellows you mention, but it's virtually the only fellow. THe Constitution is eloquent and short because it doesn't grant individuals rights (not as its primary purpose, and not originally), it merely strictly restrains the federal government. State Constitutions may grant some rights and "freedom", but I would argue that this is a very dangerous thing to do, because then someone might imply that everything not listed as a right or freedom of man may be classified as forbidden through law. I prefer the way the U.S. Constitution handled things: it gave just a few things that the federal government could mess with. The rest it must leave alone.
 
NO,,, and None of the original and still recognized post roads were build by the Government.

They were roads build by the people,, from farm to market..

They established such roads as Post Roads.. roads already in existance... and later as they came to be. (expansion)

It was not until after the invention of the automobile that ownership of roads was usurped by governments.

Thank you!
 
@EricMartin

I disagree, neutral distribution of information is a necessity in a republic for a properly informed electorate, the current scandals involving liberal social media censoring conservatives demonstrates the perils of privatizing the Post Office, it might even be desirable to have the Post Office provide Internet services bound by the 1stA since that is merely a technological update of its mission.

Killing parcel delivery might be a good idea but since the post office makes most of its money on parcels it would be necessary to fully re-federalize the Post Office and run it with tax money.

Interesting thoughts. I thought this one seemed a little odd, "have the Post Office provide Internet services bound by the 1stA since that is merely a technological update of its mission." I wouldn't remotely trust the government to allow many of the current websites we have today because they might deem them "hateful" or "politically incorrect".
 
If what you're saying is true, than why hasn't the Supreme Court yet incorporated all of rights that the Bill of Rights grants so that the states must uphold those rights as well? The answer, I believe, is that these were never intended to be rights to be enforced upon the states.
 
Interesting thoughts. I thought this one seemed a little odd, "have the Post Office provide Internet services bound by the 1stA since that is merely a technological update of its mission." I wouldn't remotely trust the government to allow many of the current websites we have today because they might deem them "hateful" or "politically incorrect".
But would it be allowed to ban them?
The 1stA should forbid the government from censoring anything but criminal content.
We would want private ISPs as well to provide alternatives (and undoubtedly better service) but the post office hasn't ever tried to refuse to mail magazines etc. based on politics.
 
If what you're saying is true, than why hasn't the Supreme Court yet incorporated all of rights that the Bill of Rights grants so that the states must uphold those rights as well? The answer, I believe, is that these were never intended to be rights to be enforced upon the states.
Since when has the SCOTUS been particularly interested in obeying the Constitution or preserving the rights of the citizens?
They have always been political even in the early days of the republic.

If most of the BoR is not intended to apply to the states then why is the first part of the 1stA the only part that says "Congress shall make no law"?
Even if that applied to the entire 1stA it should need to be repeated in each amendment after the 1st but it wasn't.
And since the BoR was intended to preserve the rights of the citizens then why would its authors want to allow the states to violate those rights?
If each state disarms its citizens then they won't be able to revolt against the federal government or the state governments.

Some of the colonies had established religions and they didn't want to be forced to give them up, that is the only reason that Congress is specified int the 1stA.
 
But would it be allowed to ban them?
The 1stA should forbid the government from censoring anything but criminal content.
We would want private ISPs as well to provide alternatives (and undoubtedly better service) but the post office hasn't ever tried to refuse to mail magazines etc. based on politics.

Isn't "criminal content" a pretty broad term. Is hate speech criminal? I hate some murderers, rightly or wrongly, but if that is deemed hate speech it could be taken down.
 
Isn't "criminal content" a pretty broad term. Is hate speech criminal? I hate some murderers, rightly or wrongly, but if that is deemed hate speech it could be taken down.
"Hate speech" is an unconstitutional concept.
If "Hate Speech" is made criminal then the government will censor all speech everywhere including on private platforms.

But we could go to court against the Post Office to try and enforce the 1stA, we can't do that with private ISPs, platforms etc.
 
Since when has the SCOTUS been particularly interested in obeying the Constitution or preserving the rights of the citizens?
They have always been political even in the early days of the republic.

If most of the BoR is not intended to apply to the states then why is the first part of the 1stA the only part that says "Congress shall make no law"?
Even if that applied to the entire 1stA it should need to be repeated in each amendment after the 1st but it wasn't.
And since the BoR was intended to preserve the rights of the citizens then why would its authors want to allow the states to violate those rights?
If each state disarms its citizens then they won't be able to revolt against the federal government or the state governments.

Some of the colonies had established religions and they didn't want to be forced to give them up, that is the only reason that Congress is specified int the 1stA.

What you're saying, in my mind, is the equivalent of saying that only the first of the enumerated powers were powers of Congress. The rest were just powers.

You wrote, "And since the BoR was intended to preserve the rights of the citizens then why would its authors want to allow the states to violate those rights?" Every or almost every state constitution guarantees the right to bear arms to its citizens. The states were urged to have their own Constitutions for these very reasons... this was not meant to be in the hands of the federal government.
 
"Hate speech" is an unconstitutional concept.
If "Hate Speech" is made criminal then the government will censor all speech everywhere including on private platforms.

But we could go to court against the Post Office to try and enforce the 1stA, we can't do that with private ISPs, platforms etc.

You can't force 1st amend on ISPs, of course. But you can always try to set up your own ISP. Or move to one that is free enough for you. Or worst case, communicate in person.
 
What you're saying, in my mind, is the equivalent of saying that only the first of the enumerated powers were powers of Congress. The rest were just powers.
How can "Congress shall make no law" apply to anything beyond the 1stA?
It can be argued that it applies to the whole 1stA:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

But the 2ndA has nothing like it and isn't part of the same sentence:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


If "Congress shall make no law" applied to anything but the 1stA then the other rights would have been listed as part of the 1stA instead of breaking them up in 10 amendments.


You wrote, "And since the BoR was intended to preserve the rights of the citizens then why would its authors want to allow the states to violate those rights?" Every or almost every state constitution guarantees the right to bear arms to its citizens. The states were urged to have their own Constitutions for these very reasons... this was not meant to be in the hands of the federal government.
Not all state Constitutions had all of the rights in the BoR and new states might not have included any of them.
The rights in the BoR are fundamental GOD given human rights and the founders had no intent to allow the states to violate them. (with the possible exception of the 1stA)
When it was found that some states wanted to violate them the Constitution was amended to apply the BoR to the states specifically because there had been a debate about whether it applied and because the 1stA didn't apply.
 
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