My first post---have to get this off my chest.

[Corey]

Totally agree that this is dead serious. Totally disagree that it's OVER if Ron Paul doesn't get in. This is just the beginning.

 

[Danke]

they need to be gone. +1 rep to mary

Not sure why that was a reply to my question, but Mary, do you wish the IRS to be "gone?"

 

[speciallyblend]

Absolutely! Previous liberty candidate Harry Browne had the idea of demolishing the IRS building (in a glorious media event, I'm sure) and then selling off small collectible pieces of the debris as was done with the Berlin Wall. I like that. I'm sure a President Paul could make it happen.

met harry browne a few times back in 96 i think it was maybe earlier.

 

[Dianne]

I fear this will be our last opportunity to vote, as the dictatorship forms. Already the media is a propaganda machine for the Congress and the White House. Obama has set the precedent to bypass the Congress on almost everything. Obama is dangerous enough as a participant of organized crime; but think if we were to get Santorum... Every gay person in the country will be permanently detained .. what about Newt Gingrich and his desire to imprison drug users and execute drug dealers.

I myself cannot understand why people consider candidates who are owned by the Obama owners. I think people are being poisoned by drinking water, processed foods, and the government owned news media; as there is no way they could truly be that stupid. If you talk about the religious right, Ron Paul should be their man. If you talk about the left, Ron Paul should be their man.

 

[unknown]

I feel your urgency and I completely empathize.

I dont know how people are so clam/unaware of how bad things are going to get without a Ron Paul Presidency.

 

[donnay]

I am a liberal who has followed Ron Paul for 4 years. I also have kept up meticulously with the events over the last 10 years that is resulting in a slow motion collapse. Honestly guys, I get cold chills down my spine fathoming another 4 years of the Romney/Obama machine.

We don't have that long. We are in such a fragile state in this nation that if Ron Paul is not elected to orderly dismantle useless parts of the federal government and control spending in a humane fashion, we could very well have sections of out government that "seizes up", and becomes completely nonfunctional. You see this stress already happening with the IRS, VA, and INS to say the least.

I just don't understand. Everybody I know that is politically active---left and right---is fervently pro-Ron Paul. I mean, they follow his every move and are very very concerned that he gets a fair shake.

So many people are desperate right now. I mean, how could you NOT vote for Ron Paul? Guys, he is the only chance we have. The economy is NOT improving. It is just a matter of time before the full pipeline of foreclosures are completed and 10+ million people get dumped on the street after years of free rent. You think there are enough empty storefronts and office buildings now? Just wait for one or two years. You think your job is on the skids now? Just wait---because statistically the fundamentals for any recovery are not there.


I say this as a business owner. I am so freaked out at the policies here that I am "this close" to packing up the business and moving abroad--and this is is totally doable.

If a voter does not do his job and get Paul in, then he deserves exactly what he is going to get. Also, we need to watch vote counting fraud like hawks.

Well said! +rep Welcome aboard.

 

[erowe1]

we could very well have sections of out government that "seizes up", and becomes completely nonfunctional.

That would be so great!

 

[belian78]

My major, near term concern is with tax returns. I obviously havent done a national polling, but in my extended area of people, everyone I know is just kinda hanging on treading water until their returns come in. By that I mean they are paying their bills and pretty much nothing else besides, and putting off things that they need for themselves and family until the 'extra money' comes in. If that doesnt, people are going to be making very hard decisions and making them while very upset. I can only imagine what this scenario looks like on a national scale.

 

[captain]

Mary, you are right. If Paul does not win, this is IT! The problem is we are dealing with the NWO people who are in CONTROL of this country. Right now they are controlling the MEDIA as well as ALL voting. You and I know everyone wants Ron Paul in, but he will not make it because it is all rigged. It is time something was done about it. I'm sick and tired of FRAUD and CHICANERY these people are getting away with. You watch - it will happen in NH voting too just like it was done in Iowa. No one wants to believe this could happen but it is right under our noses.

In Iowa, Romney and Santorium had very few people show up at their campaigning stops in Iowa and if you look around, you saw a LOT of Ron Paul signs on people's lawns but hardly any for the others. Ron Paul had hundreds of people show up--by far more than any other candidate. Yet Romney and Santorium won Iowa. Something is going on right under our noses and many REFUSE to see it.

What we need is voting done with everything video-taped from beginning to end. That is the only way voting will be done fairly.

It isn't just the young voting for Ron Paul...I'm 60 and a woman. Plenty of older people see that Ron Paul is the ONLY one who can help.

 

[maryiscontrary]

Guys all of these agencies need to be reformed and simplified from top to bottom. Creative destruction. We in the private, non subsidized sector have to do this or perish.

But if you add more economic stress on top of an already stressed agency, then you get nonfunctional, period. This is precisely how 3rd world bureaucracies operate.

 

[speciallyblend]

Not sure why that was a reply to my question, but Mary, do you wish the IRS to be "gone?"

pretty obvious thats why, you know the answer. as ron paul will say we do not need the irs. your the one with the signed ron paul truck. you don't know ron paul's platform? . I heard him say phase them out in 2008. I figured it was common sense. go back in spending and we will not need the irs.

 

[speciallyblend]

Guys all of these agencies need to be reformed and simplified from top to bottom. Creative destruction. We in the private, non subsidized sector have to do this or perish.

But if you add more economic stress on top of an already stressed agency, then you get nonfunctional, period. This is precisely how 3rd world bureaucracies operate.

danke is on the same page. i guess he is testing you.

 

[Mahkato]

My major, near term concern is with tax returns. I obviously havent done a national polling, but in my extended area of people, everyone I know is just kinda hanging on treading water until their returns come in. By that I mean they are paying their bills and pretty much nothing else besides, and putting off things that they need for themselves and family until the 'extra money' comes in. If that doesnt, people are going to be making very hard decisions and making them while very upset. I can only imagine what this scenario looks like on a national scale.

This is definitely us.

 

[erowe1]

pretty obvious thats why, you know the answer. as ron paul will say we do not need the irs. your the one with the signed ron paul truck. you don't know ron paul's platform? . I heard him say phase them out in 2008. I figured it was common sense. go back in spending and we will not need the irs.

It's not obvious to me. I can't tell quite where the OP is coming from, and I certainly can't blame Danke for asking.

 

[erowe1]

Guys all of these agencies need to be reformed and simplified from top to bottom. Creative destruction. We in the private, non subsidized sector have to do this or perish.

But if you add more economic stress on top of an already stressed agency, then you get nonfunctional, period. This is precisely how 3rd world bureaucracies operate.

With the federal government, nonfunctional is a good thing. The world would be a much better place if the regime in DC were only as bad as a third world bureaucracy.

 

[Danke]

danke is on the same page. i guess he is testing you.

Kenny. WTH? You gave her a +rep while responding to my posted question and she does not even agree with you while I do. You know my history.

Strange world this morning.

 

[maryiscontrary]

I suppose "non functional" government is fine if you are not having to comply with insane mandate and having to pay taxes. But as with "No child left behind" act, this was an unfunded mandate, and now you see it made the schools even more nonfunctional. And because this system sucks, productive and smart young people are refusing to have kids. You want to know why government opened the flood gates for immigration? Because Gen X and Y were not reproducing at replacement rate because this system sucks and is unstable.

Don't think it will be a walk in the park with Ron Paul's medicine. But it is necessary if we are going to have a functioning republic. If not, what will keep states from seceeding? If the US government is doing nothing for NH but sucking taxes and issuing unfunded mandates, what the hell does NH have to gain?

I am just curious about the voting booth watch dogs out there.

 

[silverhandorder]

I like liberals like you, you see the big picture. Welcome to the forums.

edit: To those wondering where he is coming from realize we will not agree on everything 100%. But he pretty much nails it what needs to be done during transition.

 

[erowe1]

But it is necessary if we are going to have a functioning republic. If not, what will keep states from seceeding? If the US government is doing nothing for NH but sucking taxes and issuing unfunded mandates, what the hell does NH have to gain?

If a state seceded that would be a great thing. If all 50 seceded it would be awesome beyond words.

But what's stopping them? That very functional regime in DC is. If only it were nonfunctional I'd be more sanquine about the prospect of secession.

 

[pen_thief]

Welcome to the forums

I feel just like you do. I'm frankly scared at what could happen with another 4 years of Obama or 4 years of Romney. I too have been weighing my options about what I will do if that should happen. I feel a little cowardly when I consider moving out the US instead of staying here to fight in the "r3VOlution" though. I feel so torn. I know that the place I'd be inclined to move is already a nanny state - socialized medicine, gun laws, tons of camera surveillance (probably worse than here, if you could believe it).

Do you remember that video from the kid down at Occupy Wall Street going on the tirade about the Fed? He said something along the lines of "If we lose America, we're screwed." I think he's right.