My final conclusion on Sarah Palin

I don't agree with half of your statements at all. I'm anti-drug period! Life is hard enough w/o having to deal with any form of drug addiction or even moderate usage. A lot of Libertarians are more conservative on many issues. I'm against gay rights and am in favor of traditional marriage. But I don't hate gays. However, I don't want that type of behavior shoved in the face of my child at any age while they're under my roof.

Public education should only be answered on the local level. As a member of the PTA, one might have a view that can be heard. Today's curriculum is what's making our children suffer in the worst way possible. They don't even know the basic fundamentals that one needs to survive in today's world! Public education needs to be more accountable. And voting no on any tax increases to the school distict is one way to do it. As many of us do!!

Most kids don't even know the true reasons of why history happend. Watching the History Channel doesn't make up for it either.

Just my 2 cents worth. This is a rebuttal, not an attack to your comment.

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Marijuana is not addictive :) you need it in order to deal with this government.

You're a paleocon, not a libertarian. Many libertarians give you this answer when asked about gays marrying: none of my business. Social cons make it their business. "who are they to marry!!" blah blah blah

when you end marriage licenses, you end the problem.
 
Thomas Jefferson's opinion of secession:

"An opinion prevails that there is no longer any distinction, that the republicans & Federalists are completely amalgamated but it is not so. The amalgamation is of name only, not of principle. All indeed call themselves by the name of Republicans, because that of Federalists was extinguished in the battle of New Orleans. But the truth is that finding that monarchy is a desperate wish in this country, they rally to the point which they think next best, a consolidated government. Their aim is now therefore to break down the rights reserved by the constitution to the states as a bulwark against that consolidation, the fear of which produced the whole of the opposition to the constitution at its birth. Hence new Republicans in Congress, preaching the doctrines of the old Federalists, and the new nick-names of Ultras and Radicals. But I trust they will fail under the new, as the old name, and that the friends of the real constitution and union will prevail against consolidation, as they have done against monarchism. I scarcely know myself which is most to be deprecated, a consolidation, or dissolution of the states. The horrors of both are beyond the reach of human foresight."
 
Thomas Jefferson's opinion of secession:

"An opinion prevails that there is no longer any distinction, that the republicans & Federalists are completely amalgamated but it is not so. The amalgamation is of name only, not of principle. All indeed call themselves by the name of Republicans, because that of Federalists was extinguished in the battle of New Orleans. But the truth is that finding that monarchy is a desperate wish in this country, they rally to the point which they think next best, a consolidated government. Their aim is now therefore to break down the rights reserved by the constitution to the states as a bulwark against that consolidation, the fear of which produced the whole of the opposition to the constitution at its birth. Hence new Republicans in Congress, preaching the doctrines of the old Federalists, and the new nick-names of Ultras and Radicals. But I trust they will fail under the new, as the old name, and that the friends of the real constitution and union will prevail against consolidation, as they have done against monarchism. I scarcely know myself which is most to be deprecated, a consolidation, or dissolution of the states. The horrors of both are beyond the reach of human foresight."

He supported the right of states to secede, but it's not something he recommended. He did have a hand in our country's birth...you know. I don't think he'd be so quick to say "Meh, changed my mind, I think you should secede." Before I try to get my state to secede I think I'll fight to have the Constitution restored first
 
Marijuana is not addictive :) you need it in order to deal with this government.

You're a paleocon, not a libertarian. Many libertarians give you this answer when asked about gays marrying: none of my business. Social cons make it their business. "who are they to marry!!" blah blah blah

when you end marriage licenses, you end the problem.

+9999999!!!!! From my observation, the big hubub over "marriage" is a question of who the government should play favorites with. I say get government out of the marriage business totally, and let it be the religious ceremony it was intended to be. :)
 
"If any state in the Union will declare that it prefers separation . . . to a continuance in union . . . I have no hesitation in saying, let us separate." — Jefferson letter to James Madison, 1816

I have a hard time believing that Jefferson would be taking the side of the Fed today. :rolleyes:
 
"If any state in the Union will declare that it prefers separation . . . to a continuance in union . . . I have no hesitation in saying, let us separate." — Jefferson letter to James Madison, 1816

I have a hard time believing that Jefferson would be taking the side of the Fed today. :rolleyes:

I have a hard time believing he and his friends would have let it spiral this far out of control :rolleyes:

Second amendment rights would have probably been executed the day the Fed was proposed!
 
I don't agree with half of your statements at all. I'm anti-drug period! Life is hard enough w/o having to deal with any form of drug addiction or even moderate usage.

Are you saying that you do absolutely no drugs whatsoever?

So you drink no coffee ever? Or any alcohol ever?

That's hard to believe.
 
Are you saying that you do absolutely no drugs whatsoever?

So you drink no coffee ever? Or any alcohol ever?

That's hard to believe.

I suppose "FDA Approved Drugs" are an exception for this guy :rolleyes:

The government knows what's best for ya....ugh.
 
We support liberty and freedom in the United States...respect for our Constitution. Nowhere in the Constitution does it mention secession. I'd argue most libertarians support personal liberty for our great nation under the Constitution....not liberty by the destruction and dismantling of our nation.

That's funny, I thought you said, "libertarians don't support secession," not "Constitutionalists don't support secession." Oh that's right, you did.
 
That's funny, I thought you said, "libertarians don't support secession," not "Constitutionalists don't support secession." Oh that's right, you did.

What in the world are you talking about? Most libertarians don't support secession...they support limited government under the supreme law of the land. You don't need secession to have liberty....you need to have the exercising of rights by the people to take back their government.
 
What in the world are you talking about? Most libertarians don't support secession...they support limited government under the supreme law of the land. You don't need secession to have liberty....you need to have the exercising of rights by the people to take back their government.
I'm looking for the phrase "most libertarians" in your earlier post and I don't see it.
 
I'm looking for the phrase "most libertarians" in your earlier post and I don't see it.

What are you talking about? I can't say "all libertarians" because I can't speak for everyone, even if the idea of secession is foolish. The ones that aren't radical or unreasonable realize this.

I'd like to know how those that support secession plan to keep everything up and running fine without the hassle of your former government, etc. etc. What I mean is, it's much more complicated than what you guys make it out to be.
 
Then it's a good thing the Founders were radical and unreasonable. :eek:

Are you trying to argue a point, because you're sounding nonsensical.

Tell ya what. You can try to secede and deal with all that nonsense and I'll work on getting the people to take their government back. I bet it'd be a lot more efficient for the people to rise up than to try and get the out of control federal government to even RECOGNIZE your proposition of a secession, let alone even being able to follow through with it without your fed. govt threatening you.

Once my awesomeness is personally responsible for restoring the government to a constitutional one you can secede if you want, but there's not a shot in hell you'd get away with it with this govt.
 
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The difference is based on principle. Everybody is libertarian about something - this is especially true for Christian-conservative nutjobs like Palin. She doesn't want to take your guns, but that's about the only thing she presents a libertarian lean towards. What about her economic, foreign, and social policies that are absolutely part of the status quo?

Ron Paul was the guy that said even though he didn't like abortion, he would never agree with a federal ban on it. He was the guy that said even though he didn't like drugs or prostitution, he couldn't allow a federal ban on those things either. He was so principled that he saw through his own personal opinions in order to understand the greater truth: that if you take away one person's freedoms, then you start to take away everyone else's - including your own.

Palin is a walking talking nightmare - a caricature of her own stupid self and her own stupid unprincipled views. She says one thing, and does the opposite (banning sex education and birth control? Those things could have helped her white trash daughter!) Her politics are defined by the bible, and not The Constitution. Wasn't this precisely what Ron Paul feared of the new GOP?

She has no intention of having the government stay out of your private life. She wants to let you keep your guns because SHE is a gun toter. She wants to ban abortion federally because SHE doesn't like it. She wants to continue the war on terrorism because SHE is some backwards gay-fearing fear-mongering racist retard that likes the idea of Middle Eastern colonialism. Further, she appears to have very little knowledge of the Constitution, the role of government, the role of the executive branch, or even basic American history.

No holding back. LOVE IT!
 
:rolleyes:

The Real Sara Palin

From an old Air American in Alaska - actually sent to someone else but it was forwarded to me by the original recipient.



And from a Alaska man who is a very serious cynic about all things political here is my take on Sara.

I met and spoke with Sara Palin about two years ago at our downtown Park Strip. It is a place for walking, carnivals, political outdoor things and such. She was cooking hotdogs at a fund raiser and introducing herself to the public as a Governor hopeful.

She came by and said the usual "Hi, I'm Sara Palin and I am running for Governor"...and I expected her to keep on to the next person but she asked me who I was and what I did in Alaska and we ended up talking for 15 minutes about me, Air America (she was all agog!) and my career in the Army and AAM. She is a pilot (Super Cub) I'm told although all she told me about that was that she loved flying.

As I watched her over the next six months as she successfully ran for Governor I was really impressed. I was impressed greatly even before that after she resigned a good position (Alaska Gas and Oil Regulatory Commission) because a fellow Commission member (Chair of the Alaska Republican Party) misused their office and position. He was using the FAX, computers, printing room and all to promote the Republican endeavors while in a State job. That is a huge no-no in any government employment position.

She resigned and made her point and within weeks Randy Ruderich (the above bad guy) found his ass out on the street and a subsequent investigation found him guilty and he was fined $12,000. Small change actually but a giant point was made.

Next she went after our most horrible Governor ever, Governor Murkowski, and damned if she didn't beat him! All of us here in Alaska, except the Democrats, are sick of our State's corruption. That fact was shouted to the heavens after she was elected with an overwhelming point spread.

After she got into office she started after corrupt legislators and with the FBI's help we've put four of them in prison, indicted six more and the "Corrupt Bastard's Club" as they arrogantly called themselves (even had hats made with CBC on the front!) suddenly found it no fun anymore. Club membership is now in the toilet!!

The current flap which has cost her a ten point loss of popularity (she's still 82%!) was over firing a popular Commissioner of Public Safety who is responsible for our Alaska State Troopers. She fired him for no STATED reason which was her prerogative as the Gov. He served entirely at her option. She and her whole family had a bad, bad experience with a rogue Trooper who was married to Sara's sister. His name is Trooper Wooten. This dimwit Trooper had threatened Sara's father (death threat!), threatened Sara ("I'll get you too"), tasered his 12 year old stepson, drove drunk in his AST cruiser, got a pass by a fellow Trooper who stopped him for erratic driving a second time while in civvies and just a host of other things not yet released to the public. He got away with it and got another pass by the Commissioner's appointed AST Trooper Internal Affairs investigator with a tiny slap on the wrist. Five days off without pay to be exact!!

This maverick Trooper is still on the payroll but only just. The Union intervening saved his malcontent ass. He'll yet get his I'm sure. Incredible heat is being heaped on the Troopers. Public heat, not the Governors office.

The Democrats had the audacity to appoint a obviously biased investigator, Rep. "Gunny" French (so called because he lied about being in the USMC while running for the Legislature) is a staunch liberal and under the orders of Senate President Lyda Green who hates Sara. She hates Sara because after being elected Governor Sara told the whole Legislature in one of her first meetings with them that, quote; "All of you here need some Adult Supervision!!!". Sara was seriously pissed and not afraid of anyone there.That played wonderfully well with Alaskan's after all of our corruption and after all of her successful battles against a seriously entrenched corrupt government here in Alaska. It pissed off the whole Legislature though! They have stayed pissed but also afraid of her because of her popularity.

She reminds me personally of our Alaska wolverine which will fight anything in it's path if it see's fit to do so. No respect at all for size or position. Wife Cindy is in this category too. Unfortunately.

In closing I must tell you that she is the best, most moral and most focused leader I've seen since President Reagan. I feel, really strongly, that like Alaska the rest of our country will love her within a few weeks. Put simply, she represents middle America like NO leader we've ever had. I think McCain made a totally brilliant move in choosing her. She's a maverick who is probably tougher and more focused than McCain himself....and she won't be a total "Yes Man" or more appropriately, woman. McCain will love her.

In 2012 she will be President.

My best to all of you in the hurricane belt. I hope you are all OK. We just had another mini Air America reunion here in beautiful Soldotna, Alaska along the Kenai river. Milt Olson, Mike Seal and Ernie Brace (McCains POW buddy) were all here. Ernie's wife, Nancy, is a class act and a wonderful gal. I wish you'd come up and see us. We'll be doing this every year now I guess. Like our Flying Tiger pal's before us there are not that many Air America guys left. I'm 71 myself this September 16. Where the hell did the years go so fast?

My best to you old buddy.

Semper Fi,
 
You have to understand most of my family and friends are Republicans, just not Ron Paul Republicans :p Trust me i try... :)


from the friend of a friend

A relative that lives in Alaska gives us her feelings toward McCain's running mate.

We were excited to hear Sarah was McCain's choice.... She is an awesome candidate.... She has proven herself a strong leader in AK and Alaska girls are pretty tough.... Around here their favorite bumper sticker is that "Alaska Girls Kick Ass" and they aren't kidding....
Sarah is known for being "common folk" ... she refused her security detail, and picks up her own dry-cleaning. She lives in her own home instead of the Governor's mansion so her kids can go to their regular schools.... He husband is an Alaska Native (Indian) her kids are named after Alaska things... "Trap" is the oldest, Bristol (Bristol bay), Willow and baby Paxon are named for places, and Piper for an airplane (AK's primary transportation) She and her husband Tod still net salmon commercially during the fishing season, and she is an avid hunter, and respects the state's traditions...

One of the favorite recent stories concerns the birth of her last baby... She was scheduled to speak at a big conference of Governors in the Southwest and shortly before going on stage her water broke, and she went into labor with her 5th child... She still gave the speech which was 20 minutes long and no one knew she was in labor... she was then whisked to a plane and flew back to AK because she said it just wouldn't do for the Gov. of AK to have her baby out of state!

She is also a strong leader, and managed to push through a LNG pipeline contract that the men had been talking about for 20 years without action and she has only been Governor for 2 years.... She has given the good old boys a run for their money, in a state where politics are pretty rough.... She has cut spending, and believes that the PEOPLE own the resources and not the government... remember AK has no income tax, and we actually get paid to live here.... this year we will get about $3300 apiece to compensate for gas prices and our usual share of government oil revenue... She is smart, practical and Real! She also cleans up well and has a good sense of decorum in addition to speaking well and being comfortable in crowds.... Overall we are thrilled by this choice and optimistic that the McCain/Palin ticket will bring the change that the country needs... Can you tell we approve?
 
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