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HI, I'm Mike. I'm 16 and I'm currently in a dual-enrollment program in Smithfield, NC. I go to Johnston County Middle College, a High School on a college campus. I am a full-time college student and legally a high school student. My credit hours I receive for completing college courses get translated to HS Credits and is filtered into my GPA. I'm a senior this year and will graduate this year a full year and a half early. I have not taken the SAT yet as I'm still wondering whether I should take the ACT, SAT, or Both. I am first in my class with a 4.43 GPA. I have already received the number of credits required to graduate and I by graduation I will be two classes short of an associates degree. I have been regularly receiving emails from Harvard, Cornell, and Northwestern University (Which I have no idea where NWU is)

I want to Major in either science or politics but I can't make up my mind. I have been really interested in String Theory and Theoretical Physics but this recent presidential race has really intrigued me and gotten me interested in politics. I know you don't necessarily need a degree to run for local office but I still want to be educated in that matter. I really want to go to Cornell because they have a GREAT physics program but ever since I was little I wanted to go Harvard to be a lawyer (I know... gross) but I don't know.. it's confusing and it's jumped out at me these last two months.

What school do you recommend and do you think I have a chance in hell at getting into an Ivy League school?
 
I HATE YOU
AHHHHHHH.

But seriously good for you. I took some dual-credit classes but didn't have all my classes like that, which I did (AP maybe), but whatever. I'm going to community college...yay? :[

As for which Ivy League to go to, pshh I have no idea. Isn't MIT good for physics? :o I think Harvard or Standford have good political programs, or at least big ones.

I dono tho. :O I wish there was a libertarian school.
 
I have thought about MIT also. But my first impression of them was not very good. They sent me a booklet shaped like a fortune teller. It was annoying kind of. They had student testimonials and nothing about their programs or anything. Everytime I hear about a breakthrough made by MIT scientists it seems they just let that data rot away somewhere and never be applied to anything. Like that recent WiTricity thing they came up with. I heard one thing about it and then nothing else. I can't even find it on their site.

Plus, Cornell has a Particle Accelerator :D
 
Hmmm. Just remember these places are brainwashing institutes. They for the most part deny reason and logic. And preach of the orgy of self sacrifice.
But go IVY league it makes a good impression. Maybe when you get their you can get a Liberty group going.
 
Mike - keep in mind that the Ivy league schools are not cheap. Look at the cost of each before going too far down that path. You'll either need to be very wealthy, willing to take on a huge amount of debt, or have something they're willing to give you a scholarship for...
Look in state. NC has some great schools.. Carolina, Duke, Wake Forest, Davidson, Wingate, ECU, etc.. will all be much more affordable to you than the ivy league schools because you get an "in state" tuition break. Start visiting them and talking to the students and professors. Find out if your classes will be taught by the professors or by grad students. Find out what the class size is for the classes you're interested in (are there 200 in the chemistry class? .. or 30?). Every school is different so find the one that fits your personality. Don't just go because of the name.
Undergrad isn't as important if you're going to go for a masters or phd.. i.e. you could do undergrad at Carolina then go on to Harvard.. and if you go to a smaller school then chances are much greater that you'll go on a free ride and come away with no debt. Having $100,000 of debt when you graduate from college is not an easy thing to dig out from under.
 
Mike - keep in mind that the Ivy league schools are not cheap. Look at the cost of each before going too far down that path. You'll either need to be very wealthy, willing to take on a huge amount of debt, or have something they're willing to give you a scholarship for...
Look in state. NC has some great schools.. Carolina, Duke, Wake Forest, Davidson, Wingate, ECU, etc.. will all be much more affordable to you than the ivy league schools because you get an "in state" tuition break. Start visiting them and talking to the students and professors. Find out if your classes will be taught by the professors or by grad students. Find out what the class size is for the classes you're interested in (are there 200 in the chemistry class? .. or 30?). Every school is different so find the one that fits your personality. Don't just go because of the name.
Undergrad isn't as important if you're going to go for a masters or phd.. i.e. you could do undergrad at Carolina then go on to Harvard.. and if you go to a smaller school then chances are much greater that you'll go on a free ride and come away with no debt. Having $100,000 of debt when you graduate from college is not an easy thing to dig out from under.

I have never wanted to go to a state school. Never appealed to me. I can't see myself going to Duke, no offense to any alumni, but I feel I deserve a lot more than that. The least I can get is Ivy League. I really don't care about the cost. Tuition for Cornell and Harvard both run about $50,120. I currently fall under the $0 income category. I eat, breathe, and shit school. It's all I have and frankly I won't settle for less.
 
If you go to an Ivy league school... you're paying for the reputation, not the quality of education.

You can do a masters and have a PHD in economics... worth $-00,000's of dollars... and I know more about whats happening in this world, causality etc - obtained from the entire media section at mises.org for FREE..

Yeaaah sucks to be a fool... but what sucks worse is paying hundred of thousands of dollars to be a fool ;)

If you choose to go into politics - it's my opinion, you'll be wasting your life. It would really seem like a loss to humanity if you did imo..

Ron Paul didn't start out in politics - so don't you do it either... he became a DR.. and did austrian economics on the side...

My suggestion you follow what you love; just not politics.. any clown and his 3 monkeys can run eventually... I say go get a Nobel Peace Prize or whatever they call it these days a Laurette and remain the only non retarded academic out there..

Maths / science / numbers / physics - are a damn lot harder to politicize... so stick to those areas if you want to pay for the reputation...

If you do politics - I may just have to hunt you down and kill you... ;)
 
If you go to an Ivy league school... you're paying for the reputation, not the quality of education.

You can do a masters and have a PHD in economics... worth $-00,000's of dollars... and I know more about whats happening in this world, causality etc - obtained from the entire media section at mises.org for FREE..

Yeaaah sucks to be a fool... but what sucks worse is paying hundred of thousands of dollars to be a fool ;)

If you choose to go into politics - it's my opinion, you'll be wasting your life. It would really seem like a loss to humanity if you did imo..

Ron Paul didn't start out in politics - so don't you do it either... he became a DR.. and did austrian economics on the side...

My suggestion you follow what you love; just not politics.. any clown and his 3 monkeys can run eventually... I say go get a Nobel Peace Prize or whatever they call it these days a Laurette and remain the only non retarded academic out there..

Maths / science / numbers / physics - are a damn lot harder to politicize... so stick to those areas if you want to pay for the reputation...

If you do politics - I may just have to hunt you down and kill you... ;)

Thanks for posting :D
 
Okay... as someone who went through this whole process not too long ago and came out ok, here is my input.

First off, take the SAT. It's easier to study for, and if you know your stuff (which it looks like ya do) you'll do fine. The ACT is useful primarily with Western states, but I don't know of a single school that accepts only the ACT. Both tests suck to take, so just take one. The SAT is something like a 5 hour long test starting at 8 on a Saturday morning. Bleck.

As far as schools go, don't assume automatically that you can get into Harvard and whatnot because they send ya stuff. I got sent stuff by NYU and Stanford way back when, and well, that just wasn't happening. The first thing you have to know about the admissions process is that it is a cash cow for schools. If memory serves, Harvard's application is $80. If they spend 30-40 bucks on mailings and that gets you to apply, then they just made a quick 40 dollars. The Ivy Leagues have something like an average acceptance rate of 13%. No one's a sure thing if their last name isn't Kennedy.

So here's my suggestion: The University of Chicago. I don't know how interested you are in economics, but since you're a Ron Paul supporter, I assume you're at least a fiscal conservative even if you don't have a more defined philosophy yet. The University of Chicago is home to some of the greatest free market minds of today. You would get to take classes from guys like Steven Levitt (author of Freakonomics). It's really cool. UoC is essentially an Iny League school in the midwest, complete with aged building covered in creeping vines. The Political Science program their is fantastic, and it will definitely be more conservative than your typical college.

If you're interested in science, physics especially, you'll be pleased to know that the University of Chicago is also home to the Enrico Fermi lab, named in honor of the first man to split the atom. UoC is one of the top theoretical and experimental physics programs in the country, and there is a ton of research money pumped into the school. Even as an undergrad, you would have the opportunity to work in a research setting with some of the best minds in the field. Pretty cool.

Also, UoC encourages double majors, and you certainly seem up to the workload, so there's no need for you to decide between science and politics. Chicago emphasizes an idea called "The Life of the Mind" which essentially means that they want you to be a well-rounded student. Your first two years at the school will include what is essentially a general education curriculum on steroids. They have everyone in the school take classes on Western Philosophy, Calculus, Poetry, etc. Everyone reads Thucydides and Plato together. It's pretty spiffy.

Chicago also has a reputation for being more than a bit nerdy, which may or may not suit you. It's not a school where you go to have wild and crazy parties every day of the week. Some students who were disappointed with the absence of drunk and rowdy shindigs call UoC the place "where fun goes to die." If you went to University of Chicago, you'd be going there to learn how to think, not how to drink. I don't know you, so I can't say anything about whether or not it would suit you.

Back in the day, I applied to University of Chicago hoping that my test scores and essays plus extracurriculars would counterbalance my GPA. I dunno if they still have it, but when I applied they had the Uncommon Application. Terrible. Took me forever to complete. 4 essays on strange and esoteric subjects, plus a mind-numbing procedural thingy.

My reason for applying was that I thought it would be really cool to go to class in a room where FA Hayek once lectured, or where Milton Friedman delivered his lessons. It's good to be in an academic environment where the free market and small government are held as good and noble, as opposed to the usual college perception.

So to make a very long story short: You have the grades for the top schools in the nation, but nothing is a shoe-in. To get into the very top tier of schools, it's not enough to have great grades and test scores. You also have to have great extracurricular activities, application essays, etc. With your interests, University of Chicago seems like a fit for you in my mind, and you would have a very good shot at getting in. They have some of the best programs in the nation, with outstanding programs in the sciences, as well as the social sciences. Also, they have one of the best college libraries I've ever seen. Not to mention they're about 10-15k cheaper than the Ivy League. It's hard to go wrong with UoC.

Also, in case I didn't make it clear... University of Chicago rejected me, which is all the more reason to go there.

University of Chicago links:
http://www.uchicago.edu/
http://www.uchicago.edu/admissions/

General College links:
http://www.collegeboard.com/
http://princetonreview.com/college-education.aspx?uidbadge=
 
Mike - keep in mind that the Ivy league schools are not cheap. Look at the cost of each before going too far down that path. You'll either need to be very wealthy, willing to take on a huge amount of debt, or have something they're willing to give you a scholarship for...
Look in state. NC has some great schools.. Carolina, Duke, Wake Forest, Davidson, Wingate, ECU, etc.. will all be much more affordable to you than the ivy league schools because you get an "in state" tuition break. Start visiting them and talking to the students and professors. Find out if your classes will be taught by the professors or by grad students. Find out what the class size is for the classes you're interested in (are there 200 in the chemistry class? .. or 30?). Every school is different so find the one that fits your personality. Don't just go because of the name.
Undergrad isn't as important if you're going to go for a masters or phd.. i.e. you could do undergrad at Carolina then go on to Harvard.. and if you go to a smaller school then chances are much greater that you'll go on a free ride and come away with no debt. Having $100,000 of debt when you graduate from college is not an easy thing to dig out from under.

That's actually not necessarily true about the Ivies. They have such enormous endowments that they are actually very generous with merit scholarships and need-based aide. Harvard and Yale actually both cap the student contributions at 10% of annual income, so the child of parents earning 100k a year would only have to pay 10k. It's pretty cool. According to US News, Princeton costs the average student 16k per annum for all expenses, which is a whole helluva lot cheaper than what I'm paying now.
 
I can't see myself going to Duke, no offense to any alumni, but I feel I deserve a lot more than that. The least I can get is Ivy League. I really don't care about the cost.

Getting tunnel vision on the Ivy League is a mistake, I think. It'll cause you to miss a lot of great schools that might fit you better. Remember, you're not just deciding what school's name is going to be on your degree; you're also choosing where you're going to spend the next 4 years of your life. Duke is a fantastic school, and it certainly won't hold you back. There are a ton of schools not considered Ivies that are brilliant choices.

Also, if you ever plan on leaving the East Coast, the Ivies don't carry as much weight, especially with lay people. In Washington State, the University of Washington is more prestigious than Cornell or Dartmouth. Just something to keep in mind.
 
First of all, good luck at getting into the school of your choice. You seem to be well qualified, but even then, you never know, especially with the top schools.

Science>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Politics

Learn science in school, politics on your own.
 
I second yongrel's choice of the University of Chicago. Given my own bias, I recommend going into science. Physics is not an occupation that will make you filthy rich (in all likelihood), but you will find a job (probably in academia, gov't or research) with a Ph.D in it. Go for the gusto with particle physics, and audit the classes in economics, politics and policy as you can, or get minors in those disciplines. As I've said many times, you can have an undergrad degree in science, even a Ph.D, and you can go on to any other discipline you want for the most part with very little effort. After going through the rigors of a degree in a hard science, most everything else seems like a cakewalk, except for people, science will NOT help you learn how to deal with a variety of people as other disciplines may. So try not to just hang out with other people in science, and don't look down on other people who aren't in science.

The University of Chicago has the best of both worlds and it's a great city to live in. Clean, friendly and they don't drive like retards there. Boston, while MIT is a great school and I do like the city, they just don't have the great balance in education like the U of C does. I was also rejected by the U of C and MIT, which is okay because I couldn't afford it anyways.

A good friend of mine who's entire family was Ivy League grads went to the University of Pennsylvania simply due to pressure and the notion that it was "better" and she had to. She hated it and ended up transferring to Allegheny College, where she was the valedictorian and had a perfect GPA. She loved it there and her family was okay with it (after a while.)

Also ask yourself if you're a big-city type, that part can be overwhelming at first, as I found out.

By the way, it really sounds like you have your shit together for a 16yr old, I was only about 1/10th of where you are when I was 16--so kudos to you on that.
 
By the way, it really sounds like you have your shit together for a 16yr old, I was only about 1/10th of where you are when I was 16--so kudos to you on that.

Agreed. Being irresponsible at 16 (and 15, and 17, etc) is a big reason why I'm not in a better position now. I could have done worse, but I could have done a lot better.
 
U of Chi is a great school but if your up for getting some culture along with education, you may also apply for University of London. GREAT school, especially for econ, law, history and other social sciences.

In all heart felt honesty, go for the science degree. I have a political science degree and have worked on some pretty big named campaigns (Jeb Bush for one....dont judge, I was young and experimental...ya know) the social science field is a hard one and very few jobs. Lawyers are a dime a dozen. I know at least 3 in Orlando alone who graduated in the top 1% of their class in Highschool and tops at their college. They are all constantly scratching for work (one isnt but that is because he does contract law in the basement of a firm, doing nearly 80 hours a week, in the dark and I am pretty certain he is damn near suicidal)

Do the world a favor, be a scientist. Most of the Ivy league are very cheap, unless your parents are rich. Yes, you are paying for the name but who cares? People hire because of that name. I got passed over for a campaign job because I wasnt I.L. and my candidate won. Cornell is a great school, so is NW (its just outside of Chicago - which is a great town - awesome food, good art and culture but cold as hell)
Have a major in science and a minor in social science. You can always get your BA in Science and then your masters in Law. this way you can defend yourself for cloning Ron Paul and saving the future!
 
U of Chi is a great school but if your up for getting some culture along with education, you may also apply for University of London. GREAT school, especially for econ, law, history and other social sciences.

In all heart felt honesty, go for the science degree. I have a political science degree and have worked on some pretty big named campaigns (Jeb Bush for one....dont judge, I was young and experimental...ya know) the social science field is a hard one and very few jobs. Lawyers are a dime a dozen. I know at least 3 in Orlando alone who graduated in the top 1% of their class in Highschool and tops at their college. They are all constantly scratching for work (one isnt but that is because he does contract law in the basement of a firm, doing nearly 80 hours a week, in the dark and I am pretty certain he is damn near suicidal)

Do the world a favor, be a scientist. Most of the Ivy league are very cheap, unless your parents are rich. Yes, you are paying for the name but who cares? People hire because of that name. I got passed over for a campaign job because I wasnt I.L. and my candidate won. Cornell is a great school, so is NW (its just outside of Chicago - which is a great town - awesome food, good art and culture but cold as hell)
Have a major in science and a minor in social science. You can always get your BA in Science and then your masters in Law. this way you can defend yourself for cloning Ron Paul and saving the future!

Well, that's disheartening for this current poli sci student/future law student to hear. :p
 
Well, that's disheartening for this current poli sci student/future law student to hear. :p

Eh, the lawyers I know are doing fine. One is a filthy rich criminal attorney in Miami (if you want to sell your soul, that's a good way to rake in the dough,) the other is a family attorney in Columbus, OH and is about to make partner. I don't see how he can do it (his undergrad is in astrophysics) and still like it, but eh, I guess divorce and appellate court are interesting to some people.
 
Do not major in political science if you want to learn something!

All they are going to do is push propaganda down your throat.
 
Do not major in political science if you want to learn something!

All they are going to do is push propaganda down your throat.

Do you speak from experience, or are you making this up off the top of your head?

(I think I know the answer)
 
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