My brother says "this is where I disagree with RP"

From what i understand, Ron Paul is also fully aware of the challenges involves in getting rid of the IRS. He said multiple times that whether this can be done depends on what Americans view on the government role is. He will not get rid of the IRS just like that. He will instead do it progressively, educate the people, and provide a transition plan for this to happen. But bottom line, it comes to Americans to decide if they want a governemnt to take care of them from cradle to grave or personal responsibility.
 
Polifact.com did a study to verify what ron said about the income tax, they found that our current revenue is 1.37 trillion, in 1995 our revenue was around 1.12 trillion, so thats about a 200 billion dollar difference, but when factor in that we will be eliminating other departments including the irs and cutting foriegn aid and overseas spending we will be left with hundreds of billions in surplus, which can be given back to the people.
 
Ron Paul would probably start by scaling back spending and using the income tax to pay off our debts. In the interim if he got really lucky he might get a flat tax through. After that, if he is really really lucky, after some years with a flat tax it will be diminished into nothing when his VP is president ;).
 
Couple of points to stress:

1. The income tax represents 33% of the Federal Govt.'s revenue. (approx. 900 billion)

2. Removing this would give us a federal revenue equal to the year 2000 ( its approx. 66% of the present day revenue).


Also, the Income tax was introduced and sold to the American people as a tax on the rich only...of course then they changed it :

In 1913 the tax rate was 1% on taxable net income above $3,000 ($4,000 for married couples), less deductions and exemptions. It rose to a rate of 7% on incomes above $500,000.
During World War I the top rate rose to 77%; after the war, the top rate was scaled down to a low of 25%
 
It's his brother, so you might want to tone down the language. If you are this big of a jerk in real life, I doubt you have attracted many people to Ron Paul.

What did I say?... I was being sarcastic.

My god I hope your not that big of an idiot in real life.

Edit: Oh shit I forgot /sarcasm

ps. /sarcasm
 
not done immediately but by end of 2 terms yes

He thinks getting rid of the IRS is unrealistic. I said we'd have the same income we had 10 years ago (did I quote that right?) And he's like "it's just impossible, it's too hard to do".

(He will be voting for RP, but he's not as much as a fan like you and me)

Paul has said cant do immediately...

But at end of 2nd term would be able to
 
Ron Paul can not get rid of the IRS without Congress. The 16th Amendment is unconstitutional and ideally, Ron Paul would love to get rid of it.

The biggest point Ron Paul is making is we need to cut Federal Spending by drastically reducing our Empire around the world.

Although completely against the spirit of the constitution, the 16th amendment, by definition, is constitutional. It was ratified by the necessary margin (yes, I know there are arguments out there that it was not ratified successfully).

Now, having the power to do something (e.g. tax incomes) doesn't mean that Congress should use it. Therefore, repealing the 16th is not necessary to eliminate income taxes. A simple act of Congress could do the trick. Of course, the safest course of action for future generations would be to work to repeal it. I'm just saying that it's not necessary.
 
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He'd put an end to the strong-arm (that's putting it mildly...) tactics of the IRS, but would otherwise have to work with Congress to cut spending enough to also eliminate the income tax. If nothing else, he could freeze spending by vetoing everything that makes it to his desk (which is effectively a cut, given inflation). Very much possible if the people elect a president like Paul and the Republicans start acting like conservatives again, which they probably would being the opportunists politicians are.
 
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First look at the Emergency Spending that is off the books. Get rid of all that stuff. I think 2006 had a ton. Check the Glenn Beck interview with David Walker Jan 08. He talks about it. Its on youtube.
 
we collect 900billion a year in income tax, we spend more than that on the war in iraq and lets not forget the 200billion we spend a year on the war on drugs, CUT SPENDING, then cut IRS
 
It won't be hard to do if the country enters into some type of financial crisis. Then you start with a clean slate and you build on that.

But even short of that, we can't afford our entitlements, so something will have to be done in the next 10 years. It can't be avoided.
 
Ron Paul needs to write a step by step plan that can show that this can be done. His campaign needs to come up with some tangible plans that we the grassroots can present to the uninformed masses. His ideas seem radical to many people but I believe all of these questions could be answered in a well written outline (At least for domestic issues) .
 
He thinks getting rid of the IRS is unrealistic. I said we'd have the same income we had 10 years ago (did I quote that right?) And he's like "it's just impossible, it's too hard to do".

(He will be voting for RP, but he's not as much as a fan like you and me)

From Today's Florida Times Union...

As president, I would help make that dream a reality by working to abolish the Internal Revenue Service and repeal the 16th Amendment that created the federal income tax.

Some doubt whether this can be done. "Can we really abolish the IRS and get rid of the income tax?" they ask. "How would we pay to run the government?"

Few Americans realize that personal income tax dollars represent less than half of federal receipts.

The federal government also receives funding from sources such as tariffs, excise taxes, usage taxes and highway fees. In fact, you could remove the entire personal income tax-funded portion of the budget and the federal government would still receive roughly the same income that it did during the Clinton years. All we would need to do to make this possible would be to cut spending back to 1990s levels, and this is certainly possible, without even touching Social Security and Medicare.

For example, we could easily and quickly save hundreds of billions of dollars by:

- Changing our foreign policy. The United States has more than half a million troops deployed around the world. We should bring them home and pursue a noninterventionist foreign policy, meaning that we should talk and trade with other nations but not engage in the nation-building and undeclared wars that have cost us so much since World War II.

- Abolishing unconstitutional and invasive federal bureaucracies such as the Department of Education. Abolishing the Education Department would benefit us not only by returning our tax dollars, but also by giving control over schools back to local school boards and parents, thereby greatly improving our children's education.

- Stopping foreign aid. Government-to-government foreign aid dollars seldom reach those they are intended to help, due to political wrangling and middlemen looking to make a quick profit.

Additionally, some of those we help with government funds eventually turn on us, just as Osama bin Laden did. Private charities are much more effective at helping the truly needy, and Americans give generously to such causes.

In 1900, "Tax Freedom Day," the day when the average American finishes working to pay for government, was Jan. 22.

In 2007, it fell on April 30. We now work nearly half of the year to satisfy government's appetite, and in return we get skyrocketing debt, onerous regulation and endless global scheming. This is a travesty.

It's time we return to constitutional, fiscally prudent government, before Washington's financial Hindenburg crashes and burns, incinerating our liberties and prosperity.

Together, we can abolish the IRS, repeal the income tax, and cut spending both safely and immediately.

We can reclaim full title to the fruits of our labors, and in so doing enjoy prosperity to a degree that Americans haven't experienced in decades, free from the slavery of mounting debt.

We can make every day "Tax Freedom Day."

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/012208/opl_238666799.shtml
 
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