"Multivitamin researchers say "case is closed" after studies find no health benefits"

[mczerone]

I want you libtardarians to stop arguing with the pros. Me--myself--I'm going down to Walmarx to get a flu shot, a bottle of enriched ketchup, and a case of Gatorade.

Don't forget the bag of spicy cashews and skim chocolate milk!

 

[angelatc]

You want to give me $300,000 in grant money and a stable of public health/medicine grad students to do some well designed studies?

I'm working from knowledge gained from a number of unaligned nutritionists and a few anecdotal situations where taking a supplement from a grocery store did nothing, but switching it with one ordered from an organic/sustainable/nutrition based supplier (and keeping the rest of the diet unchanged) fixed the issue.

Apply for a grant and make a name for yourself then. But until you can reproduce the results in a double-blind study, it means nothing to me.

But - fixed what issue? This study looked specifically at "cancer protection, heart health, and brain and cognitive measures."

This doctor just told people to eat a plate of sugary berries, a side of mashed potatoes, syrupy baked beans, with a lactose-intolerance-inducing beverage while paying for a gym that they don't know how to use to keep their body in shape.

Yeah, you're right. People are far too stupid to know how to exercise properly. It's a miracle we've managed to evolve as far as we have.

And I think you've essentially distorted his message, because I didn't see him say that at all. I heard him say that eating whole foods and exercising is a better use of money than vitamin supplements.

 

[angelatc]

Did you even read the 2nd post?

Yes, but I ignored it because it was pretty obvious he didn't read the article either.

 

[libertyjam]

That reminds me. I should take one tonight.

Years ago my biology teacher told us that full blown scurvy was pretty rare today. She then went on to tell us some of the first signs. One was bleeding gums. She thought if your gums are bleeding it may be a sign your low on vitamin C.

I've often taken a multivitamin when my gums bleed when I'm brushing. I've often seen them stop a day or so afterwards.

So I would say Multivitamin's do have a benefit.


Case still open.

Did you know that sailors that were taking high daily doses of commercial Vit. C still developed signs of scurvy?
I didn't until a couple of days ago.

 

[angelatc]

I want you libtardarians to stop arguing with the pros. Me--myself--I'm going down to Walmarx to get a flu shot, a bottle of enriched ketchup, and a case of Gatorade.

Ya'll are buying vitamins, aren't you? Hee hee hee!

I am so thankful that my genes are good. I am can do all those things just to piss ya'll off, and I'm still projected to live a lot longer than you are. Neener, neener neener.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Ya'll are buying vitamins, aren't you? Hee hee hee!

I am so thankful that my genes are good. I am can do all those things just to piss ya'll off, and I'm still projected to live a lot longer than you are. Neener, neener neener.

U sure? Projections generally assume a certain health/fitness level. Have you compared yours to the standard established by the projection-makers?

 

[angelatc]

U sure? Projections generally assume a certain health/fitness level. Have you compared yours to the standard established by the projection-makers?

I'm afraid that they'd tell me I should already be dead. LOL!

I'm using anecdotal evidence, but there's good genes in my family. There's not a health nut in the family but the women usually live past 100. My grandmother is still alive and perfectly healthy, as are all her sisters. Heck, my great-grand-mother didn't pass until I was in my 40's. And I think she died of a broken heart as much as anything. She never got over the death of husband a decade earlier.

I am not making this up - my grandmother had a stroke about a year ago, and because she is in her 90's the MDs did not expect much of a recovery. The only side effect is that she no longer needs her glasses to read.

Would I likely live longer if I started exercising more? Maybe, but I really don't want to be 120 before I am allowed to get off this ride.

 

[dannno]

Did you read the article?

the conclusions should be taken with caution, because several participants stopped taking vitamins early.

It’s worth noting this study only looked at cognitive test results, not actual development of dementia.

randomized them to receive daily high-dose multivitamins and minerals or placebos

"If a little is good a lot must be better"

Especially the crappy multivitmans big pharma sells, they probably did use Centrum or some nonsense.

The authors of the editorial say the evidence is clear about supplements, except for vitamin D, which has been shown to be both effective and ineffective for preventing falls and fractures in elderly.

What's funny is I used to take a lot of supplements when I was vegetarian, but now that I'm mostly paleo vitamin D is the only supplement I take on a semi-regular basis anymore.. that and fish oil on occasion. Hey, why not.

If I start feeling sick I'll take a half of an airborne and some chinese mushroom stuff.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Ya'll are buying vitamins, aren't you? Hee hee hee!

Not much, but I can go without drinking any water for at least two weeks.

 

[Keith and stuff]

Just took another D vitamin, a C vitamin and an E vitamin. About to gargle with sea salt. Finishing the vitamins off with ginger, cinnamon, cocoa, lemon juice and birch tree sugar tea. Good love modern medicine!

 

[erowe1]

Where's the data that shows the claim of the scientists in the OP is wrong?

 

[RJB]

I just had some oxtail bone broth simmered for 48 hours, rare stir fried beef heart, and homemade sauerkraut. I don't need no stinkin' supplements.

 

[fr33]

Most of those vitamins end up in your septic tank or sewer system.

 

[Peace Piper]

I just had some oxtail bone broth simmered for 48 hours, rare stir fried beef heart, and homemade sauerkraut. I don't need no stinkin' supplements.

Because you're absolutely sure that what you ate contained every single vitamin, mineral and essential fatty acid your body *requires*. A lack of a single mineral can cause health issues that get worse over time.

Essential fatty acids, or EFAs, are fatty acids that humans and other animals must ingest because the body requires them for good health but cannot synthesize them.[1] The term "essential fatty acid" refers to fatty acids required for biological processes but does not include the fats that only act as fuel.

Oh and when eating animal parts, you're also eating some of what that poor animal was fed or injected with before being slaughtered- like hormones, antibiotics etc.

Some people look like this when they're 54:

Constance Dantone, 54, pictured left and right in a mugshot from May
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-man-cane-tried-suffocate-plastic-bag.html

And some people look like this when they're 70+



Why is that? Only different genes? You are what you eat. it's really simple.

“Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food” ... Hippocrates

 

[erowe1]

Some people look like this when they're 54:

Constance Dantone, 54, pictured left and right in a mugshot from May
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-man-cane-tried-suffocate-plastic-bag.html

And some people look like this when they're 70+



Why is that? Only different genes? You are what you eat. it's really simple.

“Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food” ... Hippocrates

I missed the part of that article about Constance that said what kind of food she ate. Do you actually know?

 

[Eagles' Wings]

Just took another D vitamin, a C vitamin and an E vitamin. About to gargle with sea salt. Finishing the vitamins off with ginger, cinnamon, cocoa, lemon juice and birch tree sugar tea. Good love modern medicine!

I'm on the fence about Vitamin E. What brand do you take and why, if you don't mind saying?

 

[parocks]

Depends on the multivitamin one takes. People need to do their own research and buy from reputable companies they can trust. I take a host of vitamins and minerals daily, from a company I researched and trust. I certainly do not trust Big pHARMa and therefore, I wouldn't trust vitamins and mineral supplements they put out--but that's just my opinion from research I have done. I have looked into Pfizer's Centrum vitamins. If you enjoy digesting rocks for your mineral source then by all means take it. Their stuff is just crap, IMHO. When taking minerals it is important to take plant derived colloidal minerals.

There is a huge vitamins and mineral deficiency in our soils, so if you think you can get it by eating healthy food it going to be really hard to do.

Right on. Huge mineral deficiency in our soils. I don't know that I would say a "vitamin" deficiency in our soils. But definitely a mineral deficiency in the soils.

I have heard a number of problems with vitamin and mineral pill supplements. Sometimes, the pill form isn't the right form to take. Some argue that it's much better to get the minerals in the organic form, from a plant or animal, as supposedly the body takes it in better.

For instance, seawater contains all the minerals, in almost the exact proportions as blood or chlorophyll (excepting iron v magnesium). We could dilute the seawater and add it to drinks. But it's said that's not the best way to go. You can feed the diluted seawater to wheatgrass and eat the wheatgrass. Wheatgrass is said to take up whatever it is fed, so, all the minerals in the seawater would be found, in organic forms, in the wheatgrass. Organic is just more digestible, absorbable.

1) Definitely true that the soils are depleted of minerals, and because of that, we aren't getting the minerals we need from the plants we eat. Because of that, we have deficiencies.

2) Pills probably aren't the best way to get the minerals we need.

 

[parocks]

Most of those vitamins end up in your septic tank or sewer system.

Yup, completely undigested, still in pill form. They have found in septic tanks many undigested pills.

 

[parocks]

Just took another D vitamin, a C vitamin and an E vitamin. About to gargle with sea salt. Finishing the vitamins off with ginger, cinnamon, cocoa, lemon juice and birch tree sugar tea. Good love modern medicine!

Cayenne pepper, turmeric, garlic, onion.

Big weight loss from I think the cayenne pepper. I wasn't taking those things for that, but, fat is really coming off. I'm not hungry, and apparently cayenne pepper increases the metabolism.

 

[Eagles' Wings]

Yup, completely undigested, still in pill form. They have found in septic tanks many undigested pills.

I don't take suppls in pill form either, just in capsules. The difference is remarkable.