Moved posts about Gary Johnson candidacy

[Revolution9]

That's insane. Romney as president over Gary Johnson? That's what you call more pro-liberty??? A pinko over a libertarian?

We commit mass genocide of the unborn everyday - hundreds of thousands of sperm die on a daily basis per male and 2 eggs a month per female.

Dude. I am not going to waste words on you. STFU.You have not a frkkin' clue and yet you prattle on merrily ignoring your profound and utter ignorance of the subject matter at hand.

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[Revolution9]

I just hope the Ron Paul uber alles people don't leave the liberty movement when he retires this year. We need to keep the momentum going.

You think the hard cores want anything to do with you GJ clowns after all the shit you are pulling here? The guy is pro-Israel so that half of the liberty movement is gone from GJ's clutches. Facts are if GJ is supporting Israel then he is supporting those who want us under their boot. How frikkin' liberty loving is THAT. Ya' all need to STFU as you ain't got a leg to stand on.

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[Revolution9]

Why is GJ still counted as an opposing candidate?

The Republican primaries are over, and GJ isn't running in them any more. He's running in the general election against the other candidates running for that election, of which Ron Paul is not one.

Are you looking to be handed a "stupidity award" or are you being disingenuous?

Rev9

 

[Revolution9]

Just curious... why?

Personally I view human sentience as what makes us human, it's interesting to hear other explanations though.

The joining is the begining of sentience. On the 49th day the brain in development gets hit with a massive dose of DMT as the soul enters and gets a charge from the body it is now using as a vehicle. The sentience then has a consciousness of good and evil.

Rev9

 

[Revolution9]

He isn't 100% perfect (not that I expect anyone to be), but Gary Johnson is closer to that perfection than RP is.

Gary Johnson == pro Israel. I ain't biting. It is another diversion scam.

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[Revolution9]

But Ron isn't running for president, and his delegates aren't running for the chance to nominate him as president. They're running to be able to reform the GOP. So I don't see how GJ opposes them in what they're doing.

OK. I am presenting you with that "Stupidity Award" you seem so eager to have displayed on your mantle. It comes with a lifetime guarantee so you have even less to worry about.

Rev9

 

[Revolution9]

You need to stop. This is not what a moderator should be doing.

I back SA 1000% on this. She explained EXACTLY what this issue is with the GJ threads and the BS many of you are trying to get us to swallow. I do not care nor give a flying fuck about GJ or any other politician. I care about RP as it is MY message. I am not going to co-opted by some small percentile shillwork that is for a clown who backs Israels crimes against humanity and turns a blind eye. He obviously knows where his political toast is buttered and doesn't have the necessary balls to wade through that power structure. Ron did. Gary has no chin. What supports his brain pan??

Rev9

 

[Respect38]

Revolution, multi-quote, copy-paste, edit, anything!

But, a septuple-post? Is this how you got you post count up so high?

And, plus, you're coming off with some language that would get a pro-Gary Johnson person banned.

Yet, because the moderators are anti-Gary Johnson, then you'll probably be fine.

 

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STFU.

Rev9

Viva la Revolucion!

 

[Nathan Hale]

Revolution, multi-quote, copy-paste, edit, anything!

But, a septuple-post? Is this how you got you post count up so high?

And, plus, you're coming off with some language that would get a pro-Gary Johnson person banned.

Yet, because the moderators are anti-Gary Johnson, then you'll probably be fine.

THIS.

 

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he is currently running for president. His delegates are absolutely fighting for a chance to nominate him into contention as nominee for President at Tampa.

But Ron isn't running for president, and his delegates aren't running for the chance to nominate him as president. They're running to be able to reform the GOP.

Ron AND HIS DELEGATES are running until convention...

This kind of talk needs to stop. Ron Paul is no longer trying to become the Republican nominee for president in 2012. And he is not going to run third party. He has made both of those things completely clear. There is no possible sense in which Gary Johnson is an opposing candidate of his.

You put the word "expect" in quotes as if you think he's holding out hope that he could somehow muster enough delegate votes to win the nomination. He doesn't. Neither do his supporters who are going to Tampa as RNC delegates. If you want to pretend otherwise, then you're the one who's not supporting them in what they're really doing.

We've already suffered some damage because of this kind of nonsense. A handful of delegates from MA who were elected as pledged delegates for Romney refused to return their affidavits promising to fulfill that pledge. Ron Paul wanted to maximize the number of supporters of his who would be at the RNC as delegates bound for other candidates, and because those delegates got swept up in this idea that the race still wasn't over, now he's going to have less support at the convention for his ideas than he otherwise would have.

This kind of talk is also ammunition the establishment uses against us. I saw it at my state convention here in Indiana. The party leaders spread rumors saying that the Ron Paul people wanted to get elected to delegate spots as delegates bound for Romney and then cast their votes for Ron Paul instead. We needed to be able to assure them that that wasn't true. But nonsense talk like this on this very website eroded our credibility.

People who think there's some backdoor plan to still get Ron Paul the nomination do not speak for him. And he is not on board with what they're doing.

180 degrees different.

 

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he is currently running for president...

Originally Posted by sailingaway
Ron AND HIS DELEGATES are running until convention...

Which brings us back to RAND'S ENDORSEMENT OF ROMNEY.

 

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...I specifically stated I wanted our delegates to nominate Ron from the floor as a PRESIDENTIAL candidate, not VP, BECAUSE I knew Romney is not going to back Ron. All the rest was the merest hypothetical, but Ron as VP to someone identical to whomever will win, is a plus on the reality that would exist otherwise, to me...

...I would vote for Ron if Ron were Romney's VP candidate nominated from the floor DESPITE Romney's wishes... This was in the context of Wead suggesting Ron be nominated on the floor as VP and MY point was that since Ron was unlikely to win to be VP, we should instead nominate him as President...

I don't know that Ron would accept the slot. But if he did...

...If Ron Paul does not WANT the Presidency...doesn't feel "up" to it, maybe doesn't think his WIFE is up to it, whatever...but his Supporters could COMPEL his nomination & election, WOULD they?

If that person was Ron Paul and WE nominated him from the floor and the delegates selected him, underlining his independence yes I would.

Understood.

But one of the things that WE will want to be very careful not to do anymore, especially not between now and Tampa, is kindle FALSE HOPE. True, Mitt Romney keeps his cards close to the vest. True, it is all speculation. But it is SIGNIFICANT that the name PAUL is not on the sort list, or indeed in the article.

I do NOT say...I have NEVER said...that Tampa is not rife with possibilities. Tampa's got possibilities IN SPADES...good, bad and WORSE. Tampa has more possibilities than Ron Paul has PLANS, that's what it looks like from where I sit.

But I am not in the Inner Loop, like you. If everything is under control, cool.

I never said I was in the inner loop nor that everything is under control. I gave my opinion on the various options.

What if you are WRONG?

PAUL: I have no reason to say that he cheated. No. I don't have that. All I know is that various factions in the party, which is something that has been rather well-known throughout history, is that people will do certain things to make their party look better. But as far as saying that he's done something unfairly, no, I'm not saying that.

BLITZER: Have you been in touch with him or his folks about a role for you at the convention?

PAUL: Not me personally. Maybe staff have indirectly, but, no. I'm not expecting a whole lot to happen there because, you know, we had to have -- you know, we had to have more delegates to say that we had to have, you know, time for speeches and that sort of thing.

No, it hasn't been resolved. They haven't turned us down. We haven't made any requests. And a little bit more time might solve all those questions.

BLITZER: Well, a lot of us will be watching to see, Congressman, if you get a primetime speaking venue at the Republican convention. That would be significant. I assume you agree.

PAUL: I think so. I think that I would probably take care of the opportunity if I could give my speech.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...itroom.01.html

Recall the several articles about the comparatively FRIENDLY relationship between Ron Paul and Mitt Romney, which RAND Paul pointedly corroborated in his ENDORSEMENT OF MITT ROMNEY.

What if 76-year-old Ron Paul and his impeccable manners are cordially but steadfastly marshaling 30 years of unusual political capital to be INVITED to speak...as arguably the most WATCHABLE part of an otherwise ho-hum FOR POLITICAL JUNKIES ONLY circle-jerk...and to advance his son's position in the party without himself having to (eww) endorse Romney?

What if a RUCKUS via floor nomination or Legal Eaglery sends RON to pasture as a Kook-to-the-bitter-end, slaps TROUBLEMAKER on this Supporters, and bounces RAND to the back of the rat pack?

Hey, if Tampa is to be American Commoners' LAST STAND / FIRST SHOT, count me in. But bands and comedians and RV's and kids don't really speak to that. Seems to me that the LAST thing "we" want is for Freedom Folk to be on radically different pages in a confined highly-regulated space. Seems to me SOME FESTIVITIES / SOME FIGHTING increases the chances of MORE people getting hurt, worse. MY OPINION. Shaped in part from seeing American Police wail on Occupy Wall Streeters, and reading about American Police wailing on random people who DON'T COMPLY FAST ENOUGH.

I DON'T KNOW. I question everything. With good cause.

People either realize America is at a critical juncture, or they don't. Even with Creative Accounting, MATH eventually catches up with the debt-ridden.

What does it SAY that Ron Paul addressing enthralled crowds at a festival in his honor, mere blocks from where he will be anyway, is not A GIVEN?

Question. Were you VERY MUCH or NOT AT ALL perturbed when someone autocratically dropped RON from the name Ron Paul Festival, and went with PAUL Festival? I see it for what it is, but if you would be intellectually and emotionally consistent, you must find it very disloyal and opportunistic.

 

[sailingaway]

I can only give my opinion, I am not omnipotent.

 

[KingRobbStark]

Some people feel Gary Johnson as a Libertarian will distract the efforts to put liberty candidates in the Republican Party, the strategy endorsed by most Ron Paul supporters. So even if Ron Paul has no chance of being president people will treat Gary Johnson as a competitor.

He's got my vote even though I think the take over the GOP is the best strategy. Unfortunately some people see GJ and the take over the GOP effort as mutually exclusive, and I can't completely disagree with that sentiment.

You nailed it

 

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Originally Posted by Carehn
Wile we are on the subject I was hoping someone could explain to me why they don't like GJ. I really need to understand this. And please let the reason be something more then 'he is not Ron Paul'.

I feel like im missing something about GJ and no one is telling me what it is.

Originally Posted by Carehn
I really need you to explain this dislike of GJ. Honestly. If something I wrong that I don't know about send me a link... I have to know what It is I'm missing about him.

Originally Posted by Carehn
Can someone please tell me why all the hate for GJ??? Did I miss some kind of glaring defect???

Deja vu, all over again. Still no answers to your questions? I can tell you in one word: abortion.

There is more than one argument against Gary Johnson but Abortion, as per "usual", is Numero Uno.

Yeah sure, why not? BOTH Church & State commanding everyone, under dire penalty, to multiply as prolifically as pregnancies occur. It's not as if we are struggling to peaceably cohabit with the current billions, or inflicting mentionable wear on the environment.

 

[row333au]

Chances of someone shamelessly self promoting himself with Ron Paul, parodying Ron Paul but not committing to his convictions at all, pushing himself to Dr Ron Paul almost to a point of intrusion, and number of times his been trying to railroad the good Dr Paul over and over to make himself Ron Paul.

Yet Ron Paul seems to not even want to be associated with him nor does he gives importance. So, what are the chances he knows the reality of things with this Gary dude?

The irony is, Gary is in the Republican political campaigns as a Libertarian (previous marketing showed this, very much a contradiction) and also with MSM being heavily promoted than Ron Paul (who is being miniscule) had been on going for long months among the established neocons.

The establishment have been promoting him as a fellow Libertarian to Ron Paul..... its either to put negative association and damage Ron Paul (his unknown and unlike by the population) and also to dupe Ron Paul supporters to accept him.

By the way he is part of the GOP neocon lineup and even was running earlier as a GOP.

One has to critically think of....What are the chances of Gary Johnson being a shill (just like Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaurd, O'reilley, and those who are in conflict with Ron Paul who were elected because of him)?

The reality is Gary has hardly any delegate (if any), almost totally unknown to make any kind of impact to the elections, let alone any influence to the nominations or towards the presidential race at all?

 

[enoch150]

Chances of someone shamelessly self promoting himself with Ron Paul, parodying Ron Paul but not committing to his convictions at all, pushing himself to Dr Ron Paul almost to a point of intrusion, and number of times his been trying to railroad the good Dr Paul over and over to make himself Ron Paul.

Yet Ron Paul seems to not even want to be associated with him nor does he gives importance. So, what are the chances he knows the reality of things with this Gary dude?

The irony is, Gary is in the Republican political campaigns as a Libertarian (previous marketing showed this, very much a contradiction) and also with MSM being heavily promoted than Ron Paul (who is being miniscule) had been on going for long months among the established neocons.

The establishment have been promoting him as a fellow Libertarian to Ron Paul..... its either to put negative association and damage Ron Paul (his unknown and unlike by the population) and also to dupe Ron Paul supporters to accept him.

By the way he is part of the GOP neocon lineup and even was running earlier as a GOP.

One has to critically think of....What are the chances of Gary Johnson being a shill (just like Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaurd, O'reilley, and those who are in conflict with Ron Paul who were elected because of him)?

The reality is Gary has hardly any delegate (if any), almost totally unknown to make any kind of impact to the elections, let alone any influence to the nominations or towards the presidential race at all?

Idiots said the same thing about Peter Schiff when he ran: he was only cozying up to the Ron Paul supporters to get their votes. Except Schiff endorsed Ron Paul in 2007 and asked all of his clients to donate to Ron Paul, two years before Ron Paul supporters convinced him to run.

Similarly, Gary Johnson endorsed Ron Paul in January 2008 - five years after leaving politics and at a time when he wasn't running for anything. Check the date of the endorsement.

Says the former Republican governor of New Mexico: “I am endorsing Ron Paul for the Republican nomination for president because of his commitment to less government, greater liberty, and lasting prosperity for America. We are at a point in this country where we need to reduce our dependency on government and regain control of our future. To this end, Ron Paul will bring back troops, end the War in Iraq, and will strengthen the U.S. dollar and the economy. For these reasons and more, Ron Paul has my support, respect, and vote.”

Gary "Veto" Johnson was governor of New Mexico from 1995 to 2003. Like Ron Paul, he is a drug-war skeptic.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/18792.html

 

[enoch150]

GOP doesn't grasp the idea of voting principle over party. They don't see GJ as a threat

You don't think so? I am dead sure Romney sees Johnson as a threat.

Washington Times/JZ Analytics poll from July 10-13.

http://jzanalytics.com/DATA/JZ_Analytics_Nationwide_Likely_Voters_071012.pdf

 

[row333au]

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