Moved posts about Gary Johnson candidacy

[sailingaway]

Is it possible that rockandrollsouls is an ideologue supporting liberty and supports any candidates who support liberty? Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, they're all good people whom we need more of and we should support them all.

YOU can support whomever you like, but not in Ron's campaign subforum.

there is a gary johnson forum, I think it is called the 'daily gary'.

 

[erowe1]

Ron AND HIS DELEGATES are running until convention. There are more state conventions this weekend. Ron and his delegates won Iowa last weekend. They had artificial hips dislocated and fingers broken to get delegates in Louisiana shortly before. We support the delegates through convention, at least, in Ron's CAMPAIGN forum.

But Ron isn't running for president, and his delegates aren't running for the chance to nominate him as president. They're running to be able to reform the GOP. So I don't see how GJ opposes them in what they're doing.

 

[sailingaway]

But Ron isn't running for president, and his delegates aren't running for the chance to nominate him as president. So I don't see how GJ opposes them in what they're doing.

he is currently running for president. His delegates are absolutely fighting for a chance to nominate him into contention as nominee for President at Tampa.

What earthly basis is there TO discuss Gary Johnson in the RON PAUL 2012 campaign subforums? They EXIST for RON's presidential campaign.

 

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No he didn't. He was asked whether he would support GJ and he said he didn't know who else he would support but he couldn't really at that point.

I think the two of you are referencing two different incidences. First Paul did say he would support Johnson. But more recently, as the take over the GOP strategy has been showing success, his campaign said he wouldn't. It makes perfect sense to me - he feels people voting Libertarian would undermine the strategy of increasing influence in the GOP. I don't agree - I think it would show the big tent Republicans that they need us - but I understand why others including Paul would feel Johnson's candidacy threatens our inroads.

 

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YOU can support whomever you like, but not in Ron's campaign subforum.

there is a gary johnson forum, I think it is called the 'daily gary'.

Pretty sure I said I'm supporting Ron Paul. Just because I also support Gary Johnson doesn't mean I'm not supporting Ron Paul. Like I said, I do my grassroots for the Paul campaign but will cast my vote for Gary Johnson. Not mutually exclusive unless Paul gets the nom.

 

[erowe1]

he is currently running for president. His delegates are absolutely fighting for a chance to nominate him into contention as nominee for President at Tampa.

What earthly basis is there TO discuss Gary Johnson in the RON PAUL 2012 campaign subforums? They EXIST for RON's presidential campaign.

Ron Paul is not currently running for president. His presidential campaign is over. He is not running against Gary Johnson. The real reason so many people deep down were so upset about Rand endorsing Romney was because they hadn't accepted this fact yet, and that forced them to. There are confused Ron Paul supporters out there who still think otherwise, who fantasize about some kind of backdoor way for someone to get the nomination with delegates after losing almost all the primaries and caucuses. This website should not be allowed to become a place that encourages that kind of thinking. We don't do Ron Paul or anyone else any favors by doing that.

 

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What earthly basis is there TO discuss Gary Johnson in the RON PAUL 2012 campaign subforums? They EXIST for RON's presidential campaign.

Because there is a thread about him attending Paul Fest in said forum? Maybe move the whole thread because people will by definition have to post about Gary Johnson in a Gary Johnson thread.

 

[sailingaway]

I think the two of you are referencing two different incidences. First Paul did say he would support Johnson. But more recently, as the take over the GOP strategy has been showing success, his campaign said he wouldn't. It makes perfect sense to me - he feels people voting Libertarian would undermine the strategy of increasing influence in the GOP. I don't agree - I think it would show the big tent Republicans that they need us - but I understand why others including Paul would feel Johnson's candidacy threatens our inroads.

I'm pretty sure I saw the interview and that isn't what he said.

 

[sailingaway]

Because there is a thread about him attending Paul Fest in said forum? Maybe move the whole thread because people will by definition have to post about Gary Johnson in a Gary Johnson thread.

perhaps I had better. It is 'PAUL Fest' so the festivity belongs there, but that thread does seem to be an issue. I'll keep an eye on it.

 

[sailingaway]

Ron Paul is not currently running for president. His presidential campaign is over. He is not running against Gary Johnson. The real reason so many people deep down were so upset about Rand endorsing Romney was because they hadn't accepted this fact yet, and that forced them to. There are confused Ron Paul supporters out there who still think otherwise, who fantasize about some kind of backdoor way for someone to get the nomination with delegates after losing almost all the primaries and caucuses. This website should not be allowed to become a place that encourages that kind of thinking. We don't do Ron Paul or anyone else any favors by doing that.

You haven't been following Ron's campaign lately. The day Rand endorsed Romney, the day after Ron said he didn't 'expect' to have enough delegates to win, Ron gave a speech at the TX State GOP as his delegates fought for seats in Tampa. The introduction ends at about 4:15 Watch it and tell me his campaign is over, particularly when you take into account that his assigned topics were 'Republicans Uniting, and Balancing the Budget':

 

[sailingaway]

perhaps I had better. It is 'PAUL Fest' so the festivity belongs there, but that thread does seem to be an issue. I'll keep an eye on it.

since you keep going there and picking fights, I changed the name to another speaker announced for Paul fest.

 

[erowe1]

You haven't been following Ron's campaign lately. The day Rand endorsed Romney, the day after Ron said he didn't 'expect' to have enough delegates to win, Ron gave a speech at the TX State GOP as his delegates fought for seats in Tampa. Watch it and tell me his campaign is over:

This kind of talk needs to stop. Ron Paul is no longer trying to become the Republican nominee for president in 2012. And he is not going to run third party. He has made both of those things completely clear. There is no possible sense in which Gary Johnson is an opposing candidate of his.

You put the word "expect" in quotes as if you think he's holding out hope that he could somehow muster enough delegate votes to win the nomination. He doesn't. Neither do his supporters who are going to Tampa as RNC delegates. If you want to pretend otherwise, then you're the one who's not supporting them in what they're really doing.

We've already suffered some damage because of this kind of nonsense. A handful of delegates from MA who were elected as pledged delegates for Romney refused to return their affidavits promising to fulfill that pledge. Ron Paul wanted to maximize the number of supporters of his who would be at the RNC as delegates bound for other candidates, and because those delegates got swept up in this idea that the race still wasn't over, now he's going to have less support at the convention for his ideas than he otherwise would have.

This kind of talk is also ammunition the establishment uses against us. I saw it at my state convention here in Indiana. The party leaders spread rumors saying that the Ron Paul people wanted to get elected to delegate spots as delegates bound for Romney and then cast their votes for Ron Paul instead. We needed to be able to assure them that that wasn't true. But nonsense talk like this on this very website eroded our credibility.

People who think there's some backdoor plan to still get Ron Paul the nomination do not speak for him. And he is not on board with what they're doing.

 

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since you keep going there and picking fights, I changed the name to another speaker announced for Paul fest.

Seems to me that everybody is talking about Gary Johnson in that thread, I don't know what I am doing differently other than pointing it out. Other than that all I did was say it was a good thing that the Paul Fest is going for the big tent, seemed on topic at the time.

 

[r3volution]

sailingaway , please teach me how you do it . if i had half the patients you have i would have been far more successful in life . and probably would not drink as much either :o

 

[Aratus]

she has true grit

 

[LudwigVonMisoSoup]

Paul wants to fight for delegates to change the Republican party from within. He knows he's not going to be the nominee. It's really a shame people are deluding themselves into thinking he's going to the Republican choice, usually liberty-minded folks are grounded in reality.

I paid my way to New Hampshire to campaign for Ron, but it's over for him. I wish it wasn't the case, but the movement will continue on, forever inspired by his work.

 

[sailingaway]

This kind of talk needs to stop. Ron Paul is no longer trying to become the Republican nominee for president in 2012. And he is not going to run third party. He has made both of those things completely clear. There is no possible sense in which Gary Johnson is an opposing candidate of his.

You put the word "expect" in quotes as if you think he's holding out hope that he could somehow muster enough delegate votes to win the nomination. He doesn't. Neither do his supporters who are going to Tampa as RNC delegates. If you want to pretend otherwise, then you're the one who's not supporting them in what they're really doing.

We've already suffered some damage because of this kind of nonsense. A handful of delegates from MA who were elected as pledged delegates for Romney refused to return their affidavits promising to fulfill that pledge. Ron Paul wanted to maximize the number of supporters of his who would be at the RNC as delegates bound for other candidates, and because those delegates got swept up in this idea that the race still wasn't over, now he's going to have less support at the convention for his ideas than he otherwise would have.

This kind of talk is also ammunition the establishment uses against us. I saw it at my state convention here in Indiana. The party leaders spread rumors saying that the Ron Paul people wanted to get elected to delegate spots as delegates bound for Romney and then cast their votes for Ron Paul instead. We needed to be able to assure them that that wasn't true. But nonsense talk like this on this very website eroded our credibility.

People who think there's some backdoor plan to still get Ron Paul the nomination do not speak for him. And he is not on board with what they're doing.

People who have ulterior motives for WANTING to act as if Ron's campaign is over ignore that while winning is ONE goal, Ron's RUNNING in itself is another, getting him highest level of visibility and delegates, and anything else we can win for him. And getting that requires running flat out THROUGH the finish line, not noticing someone is far ahead and stopping before you get there, and putting out all over the internet that everything is over. After all, if WINNING were the only goal, why is Gary running at all?

I remember something in a story I read about relatives waiting for an old woman to die so they could inherit. Afraid others would get her prize possessions first if they found her dead, first, some went in while she lay dying and took the carpet from under her bed and other items from the room while she was still alive.

What did it matter? She knew she was GOING to die.....

let's just say you don't endear Gary to anyone who cares for Ron by anticipating the end of what is likely his last campaign, when his supporters want to make the most of it.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

You need to stop. This is not what a moderator should be doing.

People who have ulterior motives for WANTING to act as if Ron's campaign is over ignore that while winning is ONE goal, Ron's RUNNING in itself is another, getting him highest level of visibility and delegates, and anything else we can win for him. And getting that requires running flat out THROUGH the finish line, not noticing someone is far ahead and stopping before you get there, and putting out all over the internet that everything is over. After all, if WINNING were the only goal, why is Gary running at all?

I remember something in a story I read about relatives waiting for an old woman to die so they could inherit. Afraid others would get her prize possessions first if they found her dead, first, some went in while she lay dying and took the carpet from under her bed and other items from the room while she was still alive.

What did it matter? She knew she was GOING to die.....

let's just say you don't endear Gary to anyone who cares for Ron by anticipating the end of what is likely his last campaign, when his supporters want to make the most of it.

 

[r3volution]

It says this thread was "Started by cheapseats, Today".

That is THOROUGHLY FALSE. Perhaps it is an error that you would like to fix, or must I now be wary of people posting shit in my name as well as watchful for DISAPPEARED posts?

Yep, undermine the liberty movement. Vote for someone that supported NDAA, unconstitutional wars, government mandated health care, higher taxes, and someone that would have supported legislation that could have shut down this very forum.

Fuck you, and fuck everyone that is voting for candidates that will take MY freedom from me. I said it last election cycle when many here bent over for Obama, and I'll say it now for Romney.

I can be kind and understanding, but not when it comes to group think that put people in power that will violate my rights. You should be ashamed.

omfg you guys sound like a bunch of spoild babies so im going to give it to you with a little tough love because sailing is to nice to .

1. newsflash , everyone here already knows who GJ is . if people were going to jump on his bandwagon they already would have . but they did not , you know why ? because no one gives a shit . the guy has no appeal which brings me too ...

2. the average 10th grader in his 2nd day on the debate club would smash GJ on any subject . he was given the same opportunity Ron was to get into a few national debates and never broke out of the pack . there is a reason .

3. both he and you are stupid enough to think some one can win running 3rd party . its not going to happen until the rules are changed . and this is not the same as the media meme that "Ron cant win" , just listen to the reasons Ron has not gone 3rd party . IT IS PHYSICALLY IMPOSABLE TO WIN .

4. this one actually should be the only reason you need if you were not a spoiled brat . this is RON fucking PAUL fucking FORUMS . nothing is stopping you from dropping $15 and starting GJ forums . and honestly you guys posting on here for people to go fuck themselves is not helping your cause . seriously , what would GJ say ? (in a trembling voice like he is about to cry) .

5. dont reply to this because i dont care that much and honestly think some of you GJ fan-boys should have been banned a month ago .

except Romney

that was funny .

 

[r3volution]

You need to stop. This is not what a moderator should be doing.

you should leave , this is not what a Ron Paul supporter should be doing . mods dont have an "oath" you asshole .