Morning Joe: Ron paul vs David Shuster (link???)

I can't help but be astounded by this man's knowledge, modesty, and willingness to tell the truth, no matter how controversial the subject. Is there anything this man can't do?!?

He can't bake chocolate chip cookies, but that's about it.
 
I love the way Shuster says that Lincoln went to war to "save the Union." That's just feel-good language for trampling states' rights in favor of more powerful federal government. It just sounds a lot better to say "save the union." Are we better off today than we would have been if the war hadn't taken place? There's no way to be sure, since we can't compare theorectical alternative histories, but here are some interesting questions:

If the southern states were allowed to secede from the union, isn't it possible that they could have reunited later under diplomatic circumstances?
Would two separate unions in place of the one we have now have been worse than what we have now?
How many of the 600,000 that died might have gone on to create new innovations, save lives, cure diseases, etc.?
With an extra 600,000 people and lots of diverted funds, might have the industrial revolution occurred sooner?
Would race relations have been better in the long term if slavery had ended with a buyout rather than a war?

Of course, there's no real answer to any of these. It's just a reminder not to assume that actual historical result is the best of all possibilities. History books used in public schools are designed to make us feel good about our history, not to point out all of our faults. Free thinkers seek out all sides of a story before accepting any one version as fact. That's where the old media fails.
 
Shuster is one of the biggest buffoons I've ever seen on TV.

Shuster is in way over his head here- sorry David but that 20 minute visit to the Walt Disney World "Hall of Presidents" Exhibit isn't going to get you through this exchange...
 
I think it only shows how Anti-war Ron Paul is. He really is against it. He really does believe in peace. And it would really take a lot to get him to agree to a war. This is exactly the kind of president we need. One that actually thinks things thru.
 
That older guy that was on the show was the ahole. I bet he is an israel firster, you could tell just by the tone of his voice and the looks on his face. People like him will bash paul no matter what if they think it will keep issrael rolling in billions from the christian suckers in America.
 
Incredible....

It is very interesting to me to see how these news shows attack - you rarely see them attack others because they are probably scared to....it seems clear to me that there is an unwritten agenda that comes from the top levels of these news agencies to (try) to lure Dr. Paul into absurd discussions.

you would never see them be so visably trying to ridicule Clinton, Obama, Ghouliani and the laughing...it is really asinine - and for such petty topics: Lincoln, Rasist, etc...
all of which are unfounded and without grounds - the part that makes me angry is that "they" actually think that we swallow this garbage! - that "interview" on good morning Joe is absolute rubbish.

but...the great part is, Dr. Paul does not defend himself, he does not get heated, he calmly discusses this situation with facts, and you can clearly see that he is a (self!) educated man - and a great man at that.

every decent American has to see through the bull that these fools are running every day - it is just sad, and disrespectful - just means we have to give even more love!

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That older guy that was on the show was the ahole. I bet he is an israel firster, you could tell just by the tone of his voice and the looks on his face. People like him will bash paul no matter what if they think it will keep issrael rolling in billions from the christian suckers in America.

I nearly fell out of my chair laughing when he commented that "you read DiLorenzo and we'll read every other historian" to which Paul snapped "see, you don't even have the guts to read DiLorenzo!"
 
Jack Jacobs as quoted from Morning Joe: "There are lots of neo-conservatives who say that we ought to go and bomb Iran, though I dont know where'd we go and bomb them in any case. No matter what, we don't have any targets there that we know anymore."

As is the case with most "experts" paid by the MSM, check out Jacobs saying exactly the opposite of what he was saying to Paul, especially at the 1:40 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p3dSqwgKZw
 
I can't believe they made the crackpot comment on air.

I'm not a vengeful person, but Schuster really needs some reverse accountability here.
 
Man, with Joe and Tucker out on vacation, their shows are being hijacked as Ron Paul hate machines. I hope they are watching.
 
oh, come off it - people on these boards are becoming cranks with this cult of personality. RP is fallible. And he certainly mangled his communication of the subject - if not the historic facts themselves.

He sounded like somebody's weird uncle. I wish it were not so, but the man is not exactly a TV whiz.
 
He is fallible. However, it's hard to blame him for not having a canned, prepared response to such a bullshit question.
 
Lol

Shuster is in way over his head here- sorry David but that 20 minute visit to the Walt Disney World "Hall of Presidents" Exhibit isn't going to get you through this exchange...
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LOL

Shuster should have said:

"If you are so against the actions of Abraham Lincoln why do you want to be presdent of a union held together by force?"

I would like to hear the answer to that question.
 
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