Modern "art"

[Anti Federalist]

I can appreciate some of the detail in the hands. It should be titled "Embracing the Snake".

Embracing the turd.

Literally, that is what it looks like to me, two hands holding a giant turd.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Back during my impetuous youth, a group of us took LSD (that's Lake Shore Drive to you) and visited the Art Institute of Chicago. We walked in and saw Red Plank proudly displayed.

We all just burst out laughing. But I do wonder if God is taking a similarly humorous view of the Golden Calf of Wall St.
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Well, if the complaint is dreary communist cement, at least it brings some color.

Modern abstract expressionism art is the height of "participation award" culture. Anyone can do it, and at a minimum, you get appreciation for just doing it. You may even get some extra praise if you can come up with the proper description and explanation. Kind of like those fake scientific or academic papers that some group of people were passing off just to make fun of it all.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Embracing the turd.

Literally, that is what it looks like to me, two hands holding a giant turd.

That is the more obvious description, though I kind of like the biblical symbolism that comes with the snake.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

I can appreciate some of the detail in the hands. It should be titled "Embracing the Snake".

I would appreciate the detail in the hands if the hands were connected to anything that resembled arms, and the arms were then connected to anything resembling a human being. I understand what you're saying, but this isn't art, where art is understood to be a representation of life, and/or an interpretation of human life within a paradigm of mystery. This is just a piece of modern trash that has no meaning, like everything else these post modernists produce. Garbage. Congratulations on your hands. You created hands embracing garbage. Good job.

Spit.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Embracing the turd.

Literally, that is what it looks like to me, two hands holding a giant turd.

Turds are a recurring theme in modern public art. Meet the Quetzalpoop...which is actually intended to be a snake.

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San Jose’s Quetzalcoatl: The story behind much-ridiculed poop statue

 

[Anti Federalist]

Say hello to the man who, single handedly, destroyed classical composition.

A leftist Jew that was immediately embraced by US Marxist academia after fleeing the Nazis in 1933.



Best comment I think:

Jason
5 months ago
It's just so meandering. not all who wander are lost, but this just plunks and plonks and squawks without getting us anywhere interesting in the end. like walking from one end of walmart to the other.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Now compare that noisome dreck to this, arguably one of Mozart's very best piano concertos:

 

[Anti Federalist]

Or this:

 

[Anti Federalist]

Or this:

 

[Anti Federalist]

A favorite of mine from a favorite movie.

 

[Anti Federalist]

O friends, no more these sounds!
Let us sing more cheerful songs,
more full of joy!
Joy, bright spark of divinity,
Daughter of Elysium,
Fire-inspired we tread
Thy sanctuary.
Thy magic power re-unites
All that custom has divided,
All men become brothers
Under the sway of thy gentle wings.
Whoever has created
An abiding friendship,
Or has won
A true and loving wife,
All who can call at least one soul theirs,
Join in our song of praise;
But any who cannot must creep tearfully
Away from our circle.
All creatures drink of joy
At nature's breast.
Just and unjust
Alike taste of her gift;
She gave us kisses and the fruit of the vine,
A tried friend to the end.
Even the worm can feel contentment,
And the cherub stands before God!
Gladly, like the heavenly bodies
Which He set on their courses
Through the splendor of the firmament;
Thus, brothers, you should run your race,
As a hero going to conquest.
You millions, I embrace you.
This kiss is for all the world!
Brothers, above the starry canopy
There must dwell a loving Father.
Do you fall in worship, you millions?
World, do you know your creator?
Seek him in the heavens;
Above the stars must He dwell.

 

[osan]

Dadism, cubism, and the architecture... the utter, drab, lifeless architecture of the east, of the socialist bloc. Just wretched and soul-sucking.

That was the very specific and deliberate intention. Get the proles down and keep them that way because contrary to all the big talk of equality, tolerance, respect, etc., the powers of that bereft philosophy were all about poverty, death, misery while the elite live in luxury. The "left" is everything lefties hate with bitter venom. The irony can't be cut with a chainsaw.

The Soviet Union lasted some 70 years to so many people, that was an entire lifetime... imagine living your entire life in such misery. God help us for what we're portending.

My entire family lived that shit for forty years. My great uncle Desmond was executed by the filthy Russians in '46. They made my great aunt and her two children, my cousins, watch. Both my cousins committed suicide and my dear great aunt died of a broken heart. Imagine that. My grandparents and my father were persecuted because they were aristocrats, as were virtually all of my other cousins because most of them were also aristocrats. My mother's father spent two years in a gulag in Siberia. His first three days were spent buck naked in a pit in the dead of Siberian winter. He wasn't expected to survive, yet he did. When he came home, his 6' tall frame weighed less than 70 pounds.

My family was destroyed by the filth of communism, which is one reason I need to keep myself on a short leash when I see these ignorant fucks spouting their hatred for America as they demand socialism, arrayed in their Che Guevara t-shirts, because I do at times want to unleash what was once a formidable ability to punch a man hard enough to cause him to never want to be punched by me a second time... that, or just beat them to within inches of their lives with an iron bar. They have no knowledge of the truth of the feces they think are gold. They need to see places like Recsk, a Hungarian gulag where people were treated in ways that had nothing to do with being human, by people who had no right to be regarded as such, but only as devils fit to be flayed alive.

It is all of this, and it is also the utter and compete destruction of beauty, and creation.

This is absolutely essential for subjugation to occur. Where there is beauty, there is life. Where there is life, there is knowledge of what is good, and beauty reaffirms life itself and leads people to truths that Theye absolutely do not want anyone seeing precisely because they lead one's eyes away from Themme. Theye demand to be regarded as your God. They are evil and as far as I am concerned should be killed to the man.

I know of very few people who even begin to understand the depth of the evil of those who wed themselves to such wickedness. It appalls me that it is so uniformly tolerated, all complaining talk notwithstanding.

It is the destruction of creativity, and artistry.

The power to create is a power of independence, a characteristic Theye cannot and will not tolerate. Besides, the creation of beauty reminds Themme of just how ugly they are, how barren of real creativity, for all they have is their treachery. Therefore, the reminders must be wiped away.

Tyranny, especially of this comparatively modern variety, is all the proof I need that the Devil is ever so very real and he lives inside every single one of us, just as is the case with God.

It will be most interesting to see what, if anything, develops in the wakes of all these various revelations such as twitter, Biden's unauthorized documents, etc. It is all organic, or is it theater? I dare not yet believe it is the former.

 

[ClaytonB]

Don't give Schoenberg too much credit for the destruction of classical music in the 20th-century. Modernism did make some truly original and valuable contributions to classical music. In addition, the tradition of classical composition did continue and thrive after the devastation wrought by the aggressive early modernists.

This was composed 1920 (just as modernism was coming into dominance):



Around 1930 (modernism was throttling the old romantic era to death by this time):



^^^ One of my all-time favorite compositions, by the way, a great exemplar of late romantic era harmony, texture and aura in orchestral composition.

Wiki says this was 1908, again, another all-time favorite. This was certainly the very height of late-romantic era piano composition:



The modernists did enormous destruction to music, but remember that all of the scores from the pre-modern era were preserved for posterity and there are many minor composers out there that have written great works continuing in the old pre-modern tradition of composition. They're just not easy to find...

 

[acptulsa]

The modernists did enormous destruction to music...

Meanwhile, certain composers blended some jazz influence into classical. Which arguably made them more modern than the modernists. They also did no harm, not even the Jewish ones...

 

[ClaytonB]

What was destroyed (by modernism):







Modernism could not coexist with such powerful statements of the individualistic, focused, driven, masculine energy. It had to be obliterated and replaced with a "democracy of all 12 notes".

 

[ClaytonB]

Meanwhile, certain composers blended some jazz influence into classical. Which arguably made them more modern than the modernists.

I was referring to modernism in the classical tradition. The damage done by modernism was not so much what they composed (anybody's free to compose whatever they like), it's what they destroyed, namely, the philosophical attack on the concept of coherence itself within music. Everything from the very idea of harmony and tonality, to motion, direction or any kind of structure in music at all. The works of absurdist modernists like John Cage are not "corrupt" or "corrupting", they are the final destination of the corruption that came before. As I said, anybody's free to compose whatever they like and audiences are free to listen to whatever they like, but the philosophical devastation wrought by modernism was largely done in the conservatory, not the orchestra. The centuries-long tradition of classical orchestral composition of which the late romantics were unquestionably the apex, was disrupted and all but completely stamped out by the modernists. Modernism was not a value-neutral suggestion like, "hey, here is another way you can compose", it was an act of cultural warfare and artistic devastation, and it was fought on many fronts, not just music.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Meanwhile, certain composers blended some jazz influence into classical. Which arguably made them more modern than the modernists. They also did no harm, not even the Jewish ones...

I never cared for that piece.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

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Modern abstract expressionism art is the height of "participation award" culture. Anyone can do it, and at a minimum, you get appreciation for just doing it. You may even get some extra praise if you can come up with the proper description and explanation. Kind of like those fake scientific or academic papers that some group of people were passing off just to make fun of it all.

Say hello to the man who, single handedly, destroyed classical composition.
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Ah, atonal, dissonant notes. A bit like some jazz. Discarding existing rules of music, like harmony, keys, and melody. (Granted, the rules are replaced with rules that are more mathematical than musical).

But once again, with the proper description, it seems very sophisticated, worthy of appreciation:

Schoenberg's Six Songs, Op. 3 (1899–1903), for example, exhibit a conservative clarity of tonal organization typical of Brahms and Mahler, reflecting an interest in balanced phrases and an undisturbed hierarchy of key relationships. However, the songs also explore unusually bold incidental chromaticism and seem to aspire to a Wagnerian "representational" approach to motivic identity.

Almost sounds like those phony thesis submitted to journals as a troll. A computer program could generate such descriptions.

 

[ClaytonB]

I never cared for that piece.

Portions of it are in my repertoire, it's a hoot to play. It's very much a product of its decade.

 

[ClaytonB]

Ah, atonal, dissonant notes. A bit like some jazz. Discarding existing rules of music, like harmony, keys, and melody. (Granted, the rules are replaced with rules that are more mathematical than musical).

But once again, with the proper description, it seems very sophisticated, worthy of appreciation:



Almost sounds like those phony thesis submitted to journals as a troll. A computer program could generate such descriptions.

The issue is not breaking the rules. Tasteful rule-breaking is the essence of great art. Part of that is cultural as each successive generation breaks the "rules" or conventions of prior generations for artistic effect. From the time of Vivaldi in the 17th century down to the late-romantic composers of the early 20th-century, classical music was constantly breaking rules and conventions to a greater and more daring degree. Wagner unlocked harmony to a degree that made much of the atonality of the late-romantic era inevitable. Composers had unlocked a broad palette of expression that was no longer limited to the earlier harmonic formulas, and Wagnerian composition was so free in its harmonic structure as to make non-stop "rule-breaking" possible, throughout an entire composition. No, the problem with modernism is that it denied that there are any rules at all to be broken. And if there are no rules to be broken, then breaking the non-existent "rules" is meaningless. Modernism in orchestral composition, at heart, was an attack on the very concept of musicality itself. In this, it was no different from the attack of modernism on the visual arts and other arts. If you want to break the rules, have at it. If you believe there are no rules at all in music, so be it, you can be delusional if you want. If audiences will pay to listen to your absurd compositions, that's their choice. But when you make it a cultural dogma, especially in the institutions for artistic instruction, that there are no rules and you actively break down the idea of aesthetic principles within music, for the sake of some alien social-cultural agenda (*ahem*Marxism*ahem*), that's an act of war and devastation. And that is exactly the fruit that modernism bore in the classical music tradition. "Name the 20th-century Beethoven". There's a reason that you can't...