Mob in New York protesting over Police abusing Civil Rights case

[pcosmar]

The other poster addressed your response as well as I ever could so I'll let it rest with his.

For the record, unless you're talking about another subforum on ronpaulforums I have no fucking clue what you're talking about. I don't think I've ever posted anything in response to you... period... until this thread.

That makes my point all the more clearly. You're judging thesemen for the corruption and brutality of others. Our justice system is judging them as they are, in the circumstances in which they found themselves. You've made an incorrect assumption about me and it's clouded your judgment. Take that lesson and apply it to your anger with this case.

You seem to have little knowledge of the criminal justice system and a big grudge against those who work within it. Step back, clear your head and learn more rather than simply pointing your finger.

I may be mistaken,

I have also debated with Mr White before and on another forum, (at least I am sure it is the same poster) on these issues.

but you post very much the same as a "Mr.White" on the THR forums.

As far as my knowledge of the criminal justice system, again you are very mistaken.
Though I have the utmost respect for the very professional man that arrested me, I spent 3 1/2 years in maximum security and completed a 25 year sentence. I have seen the good and bad close up. I do not blame others for my mistakes, and have served my sentence.
I have an intimate knowledge of the "system".
My respect for those that do their job professionally is exceeded by my contempt for those that do not. Those in authority should be held to a higher standard, and those that abuse it are worthy of nothing but contempt.

An armed man shooting an unarmed man multiple times is without excuse.
I don't care who you are, that is wrong.

 

[pcosmar]

Im a rare poster in here but i do read the boards daily. Please, this is by all means no flame bait or anything. Just one mans opinion.

From what ive read, knowing I was not there and knowing the media doesnt give us everything, ive come up with a few opinions.

Was the man driving the Altima not swerving / hitting parked cars / hit an officers leg BEFORE a single shot was fired?? If this is wrong, please correct me but from the way i understood it, the driver was driving erradically AND hit one of the officers.

Rather its a gun, knife, board with a nail in it, or CAR....... the driver used a deadly weapon on an officer. IF this officer wouldve been killed, it wouldve been such a tradgedy in the papers and the officer wouldve been martyred by being killed in the line of duty.

Did it take 50 rounds? Well thats how many were SHOT, not how many actually HIT him. As for me, if my life is in danger, im going to keep shooting until you stop moving PERIOD. Does anyone know how many bullets actually hit him? Ive looked for that stat but cant find it anywhere.

I also have a hard time believing that somewhere, by at least 2 policemen, were badges shown and the man asked to STOP, show your hands, etc. Maybe im playing devils advocate too much, but I firmly believe they didnt just open fire. We have to look at all angles and see that the shootee isnt all innocent.

Last point, Ive read that the stories didnt match up on at least 3 occasions but witnesses and other people involved in the case? Anyone else have any insight to this? Hell if people involved cant get the story straight, us internet opinions are screwed

Anyhow, just my 2 cents. Maybe im wrong, maybe im right.

No badges were shown till after the shooting.
Bell hit the undercover officer and clipped a vehicle, while trying to get away from a man with a gun.

The police department’s policy on shooting at moving vehicles states: “Police officers shall not discharge their firearms at or from a moving vehicle unless deadly force is being used against the police officers or another person present, by means other than a moving vehicle.”

Several witnesses said that the officer did not identify himself.
The police stories changed as the investigation went on, they spent quite a bit of time and resources searching for a 4th person that did not exist.
No drugs or gun was found.
One man was shot 3 times, One was shot 11 times, Bell was killed
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15889445/

There was much more in various reports at the time, about where the stray shots went, the tactics used by police in the "investigation" and witnesses that were harassed.

The bottom line is that the police can shoot unarmed people if they "feel threatened". What ever that means.

 

[Mr. White]

I may be mistaken,

but you post very much the same as a "Mr.White" on the THR forums.

As far as my knowledge of the criminal justice system, again you are very mistaken.
Though I have the utmost respect for the very professional man that arrested me, I spent 3 1/2 years in maximum security and completed a 25 year sentence. I have seen the good and bad close up. I do not blame others for my mistakes, and have served my sentence.
I have an intimate knowledge of the "system".
My respect for those that do their job professionally is exceeded by my contempt for those that do not. Those in authority should be held to a higher standard, and those that abuse it are worthy of nothing but contempt.

An armed man shooting an unarmed man multiple times is without excuse.
I don't care who you are, that is wrong.

I stand corrected in some regards, but based my statement mainly on the fact that you derided this case on the fact that it never saw a jury. The right to choose between judge or jury when having one's case heard is a simple principal in our justice system. It's meant to prevent a defendant from being convicted based on extreme prejudices of a jury which are unrelated to the facts presented. ie. racism, homophobia, etc.

As for the shooting, I do not know whether it was in self-defense, I do not know whether the applicable law makes self-defense a justification. I do know it's fishy whenever government officials investigate their own, but also have confidence that 99% of the time they get it right.

The system isn't perfect, but I daresay it's better than anything else out there. It's getting better, it's evolving, but unfortunately the process can only take place when people are fed through the grinder.

 

[thebestofronpaul]

I have followed this case since the night the shots were fired.
This is a travesty.
Not only did they fire on a car load of UNARMED people, they shot up a train station down the street.
The cop that "thought they were armed" was drinking in the bar they had just left.

The police "story' is that they were threatened.
The guys story is that they were trying to get away from the guy (plain clothes) with a gun.

Facts:
No gun was found at the scene. They were all unarmed innocent civilians.
aprox 50 rounds were fired. Rounds struck a Transit Authority Station.
The first shooter had been drinking.
The other cops started shooting because the first guy said they had a gun.
One man dead, 2 wounded.
Cops all found innocent, by the judge. NO jury trial.

There have been other such incidents where NY Cops shot unarmed innocent men. Same result.

You speak the truth, Goddamn it, I Was shocked at this.

 

[sratiug]

Anyone defending the police in this case needs to go away.

 

[benny215]

the account i read was that he was drunk in his car, his buddy hopped out and ran and the driver floored it, sideswiped a police van and was headed towards several of the officers. thats why they began shooting.

i'm not saying this is the correct account but it does make more sense

 

[pcosmar]

the account i read was that he was drunk in his car, his buddy hopped out and ran and the driver floored it, sideswiped a police van and was headed towards several of the officers. thats why they began shooting.

i'm not saying this is the correct account but it does make more sense

You just made that bullshit up.
That does not reflect the witness reports or the initial reports from the officers.