MO State Convention was crazy

Im sure in the GOP rules for MO there was a rule about roll call. If the chairman did not do a proper roll call to count the credentialed delegates remaining then he had no way to officially call "No quorum". What happened to all the MO ron paul voters ,I thought they were in abundance to outnumber the romney voters?

NOPE. We didn't have them at CD conventions and we weren't going to at state. The reports of Missouri having a majority were flat out wrong. I tried to point it out everywhere I saw it, but many simply didn't believe it.
 
The credentialing report said we had 1,194 delegates in attendance and there were originally 2,123 on the list to take convention so a lot apparently didn't show up.

Gotta wonder if you would have been put over the top if Benton wasn't such an idiot...

That number is wrong. (I was a counter & still have the paper I wrote it on.) The count was 1,994 NOT 1,194. That's only 129 delegates short.

That said, I'm sure Benton had very little to do with turn-out.
 
the reason we went from 2,XXX down to 1,994 was because credentials com. rule some were ineligible.
 
I have not had so many people look me in the eye and lie to me in my life that did at the convention.I was not welcome,they did not want me there,they didn't care what I had to say.I was as polite as I could be.I will probably never be back to a Republican convention after that...Vote for these people and Romney?NO WAY!!!...Unless we have a Ron Paul reincarnated.

These Romney supporters that I was seated by seemed like nice people at the first caucus "christian" type.Man there was nothing "christian"
about them.


Hind sights 20/20 I could have done so much more but it was my first time and I didn't know any better.
You should've brought five friends. All delegates should bring friends so we win.
 
You should've brought five friends. All delegates should bring friends so we win.

At the County caucus, yes.

We had a ceiling we were working with the for State convention. Like I said, we garnered near 100% attendance but so did they. The Rick Santorum generic video message at the beginning of the day was the sound of the guillotine hitting the block. There was nothing that could of been done to squeeze out a win (honorably) and therefor, if you have ever played team sports, you have to accept defeat graciously and applaud on a good game. Anything less is a terrible misrepresentation of Dr. Paul.

The men we sat in front of, longtime pachyderm members and unjustly considered enemies to some here reading, were indeed sentiment to our cause. I explained to them that we held no grandiose visions of a sweeping victory in Tampa for Paul, but personally felt that our candidate had been largely discredited and grossly ignored through out this primary. I referenced the 2008 campaign in which he was barred from entering the Minnesota RNC. I simply put it that in order for us to guarantee him an opportunity, according the Rule 40 of RNC Bylaws, to speak at the RNC and carry his message infront of 10,000,000 viewers that we would have to win 16 delegates today to quantify as one of the five plurality states.

They nodded in agreement that he should be able to speak. You would be surprised (as I was) that they even found it would be agreeable to make 16 delegates from the Romney slate, bound to Paul on the first ballot. The hardworking and well known establishment would still get to enjoy the prestige of their fancy Tampa trip but still allow Ron Paul a chance at the podium by winning Missouri. They had even encouraged me to say it at the mic.

You would be surprised what you held in common with Party people. They like beer and titty jokes just like the rest of us, use it.
 
Let it be clear.

I never said that it wasn't ran fair.I did question a couple of the chairs decisions and he wasn't perfect like many of you guys say.We lost fair and square.

My point is they were exclusive rather then inclusive other then "sure Ron Paul can give a speech but we don't want him to actually win".As soon as I walked in the building all I heard was lies lies and more lies about Ron Paul.EVERYTHING and I mean EVERY SINGLE THING was Ron Pauls peoples fault.

I'm trying to figure out why some of you are saying otherwise.It was running rampant and everywhere you went!

Not to mention there were moles found out,Romney supporters posing as Ron Paul supporters,spies working within the Ron Paul group trying to learn our plans.And they did.

"They nodded in agreement that he should be able to speak."

YES...JUST SPEAK....I mean of course they will give you that...

I'd be ok with just about anybody "speaking" as long as Ron Paul won.There is nothing inclusive about that.

Romney is 100% the opposite of Ron Paul and I hope everyone doesn't forget that.I hope many of you didn't get talked into voting for Romney because they said "we would like Ron Paul to speak at the convention".

Thats the way some of you sound.

Also I want you to remember.THEY WON AND THEY HAD THE NUMBERS WITH CONFIDENCE.Why did they STILL use the spies,bad mouthing,disrespect of Paul supporters?

They were exclusive rather then inclusive.You would have thought they would have been respectful to win our votes for Romney but they flat out said we don't want or need you in OUR party.
 
"You should've brought five friends. All delegates should bring friends so we win."

That is just 1 mistake that I personally made.There are probably 100 more that I made.It was my first time and I didn't know anything about the process.

I would be a strong warrior for the next Ron Paul thats for sure.

Sadly I think the Republican party will continue to run romneys,santorums,gingrichs in the future.
 
Let it be clear.

I never said that it wasn't ran fair.I did question a couple of the chairs decisions and he wasn't perfect like many of you guys say.We lost fair and square.

My point is they were exclusive rather then inclusive other then "sure Ron Paul can give a speech but we don't want him to actually win".As soon as I walked in the building all I heard was lies lies and more lies about Ron Paul.EVERYTHING and I mean EVERY SINGLE THING was Ron Pauls peoples fault.

I'm trying to figure out why some of you are saying otherwise.It was running rampant and everywhere you went!

Not to mention there were moles found out,Romney supporters posing as Ron Paul supporters,spies working within the Ron Paul group trying to learn our plans.And they did.

"They nodded in agreement that he should be able to speak."

YES...JUST SPEAK....I mean of course they will give you that...

I'd be ok with just about anybody "speaking" as long as Ron Paul won.There is nothing inclusive about that.

Romney is 100% the opposite of Ron Paul and I hope everyone doesn't forget that.I hope many of you didn't get talked into voting for Romney because they said "we would like Ron Paul to speak at the convention".

Thats the way some of you sound.

Also I want you to remember.THEY WON AND THEY HAD THE NUMBERS WITH CONFIDENCE.Why did they STILL use the spies,bad mouthing,disrespect of Paul supporters?

They were exclusive rather then inclusive.You would have thought they would have been respectful to win our votes for Romney but they flat out said we don't want or need you in OUR party.

We talk of inclusiveness yet we presented our own slate that largely excluded an entire faction. It goes both ways. If we had the numbers, I would of advocated stepping on the establishment’s throats and pulling the trigger. Don't mistake understanding the necessity to change the perceptions of your enemy for a lack of motivation to win. A Convention is indeed a contest and making friends is an auxiliary to winning for your candidate, but it is much easier to get into the castle with gifts and then open the doors from within instead of assaulting the gates from the outside.

In Missouri, we pulled ~12% for Paul -- It is going to take getting involved, helping out, fundraising, volunteering and being cordial with your Party while in the meantime continuing to set brush fires of liberty within your local community. Does this mean becoming Establishment? No. This means the opinions and ideals that we are trying to communicate fall on more receptive minds because it will create a dialogue that is founded from respect.

I can list every name that was among our Ron Paul State coordination team and convention strategy committee - I would be hard pressed to consider any of them as a mole or seen as inducing sabotage. From the floor, sure, there might have been a few Party people that would indulge in such activities. There are a few men in the Greene County GOP who I will maintain a smile while I visualize upper-cutting a coin out of their head Super Mario style. In a room of near 2000 people you're going to find some bags of crap.

I also take extreme offense if you are taking the notion that we are compromising our own principles and in turn telling others to vote for Romney with our accounts of the events. I will under no circumstances vote for this man and I will resist against his nomination until the RNC - In a general election; I am writing in Paul. Do not think for a second that I did not make that perfectly clear to these establishment types during our conversations. As a matter of fact I went as far as accusing them for allowing the nominee to be a man that is in far disconnect from the platform of the Republican Party, that he will lose to Obama in a general election, and that the 700+ people here for Ron Paul will never vote for Party over Principle. I was friendly and respectful but unwavering in my own resolve. By openly discussing our problems with the current state of the party, it plants seeds of introspection for these people. The woman (mid to late 50's) two chairs down from me was actively listening to a portion of our conversation about the NDAA -- A few moments later I watched from over her shoulder as she typed in, "what is the NDAA" in her phone. That's a win. Another man, who is a mortgage loan officer and a committeeman for Greene County, has agreed to read End the Fed if I in turn read The Everlasting Man. That's a win.

I am not naive in the least bit to know when I am being pandered to and I also can identify the difference between sincerity and being patronized. When I say "they nodded in agreement that Ron Paul should speak" I am underplaying the description of the actual accomplishment of that and have not included the entire details of the conversation that lead up to that affirmation.

I do agree with you that they are not currently very receptive to our presence within the GOP, but we knew that would be the case going in. Yes it is not fair that they maintain a level of exclusiveness for something that affects everyone. A political party is a representation of the people and to close the doors on the public seems very disingenuous. But the fact is, fair or not, they are. It will take and adaptation of strategy on our part to continue changing (fixing) the GOP back to what it originally stood for. It takes time and involvement but most importantly it takes respect and understanding. But, under no circumstances should that mean you have to jeopardize our personal convictions for Liberty. Like it or not, THEY will have to deal with that.
 
^^^DITTO^^^

Much of these specific conversations were shared by Donovan & myself. It was an AWESOME experience to not only understand their perspective, but for them to be receptive to ours! These were deeply entrenched party line Republicans & we were ALL agreeing!

Donovan, you have been much more elequent in your explanations +REP for that!
 
"I will under no circumstances vote for this man and I will resist against his nomination until the RNC - In a general election; I am writing in Paul. Do not think for a second that I did not make that perfectly clear to these establishment types during our conversations. As a matter of fact I went as far as accusing them for allowing the nominee to be a man that is in far disconnect from the platform of the Republican Party, that he will lose to Obama in a general election, and that the 700+ people here for Ron Paul will never vote for Party over Principle. I was friendly and respectful but unwavering in my own resolve. By openly discussing our problems with the current state of the party, it plants seeds of introspection for these people. The woman (mid to late 50's) two chairs down from me was actively listening to a portion of our conversation about the NDAA -- A few moments later I watched from over her shoulder as she typed in, "what is the NDAA" in her phone. That's a win. Another man, who is a mortgage loan officer and a committeeman for Greene County, has agreed to read End the Fed if I in turn read The Everlasting Man. That's a win. "

I agree for the most part we just interpret it all different.

If you won't vote for Romney then to them you are a Obama supporter.You were not welcome there and "are not a real republican"

That was my interpretation because thats how they treated us.

I understand the "wanna take the party over" idea I was more concerned with winning Paul delegates.Understand I'm not all aboard with Rand and am not convinced yet that he is like his dad.As I think they disagree on bringing all the troops home.Other then Rand I don't see another Ron Paul in the future.I think the establishment will continue to run romneys,santorums,gingrichs.The reason us Paulers go crazy for Paul is because deep down in our hearts we know this may be our last chance.

For Gods sakes their running liberal democrats,unconstitutional,liberty destroyers as presidential candidates in the republican party.The democratic party is lost already.Its "the lesser of 2 evils".I was actually given the "lesser of 2 evils" pitch by several romney supporters.

I won't do the write in paul vote because that is not recorded.Instead I will vote libertarian.
 
SORT OF...

They are putting up a defense to our offensive because we are charging in screaming we're going to take them out. If we understood their perspective and they ours, then we all could be, for lack of a better word, friends. We were all SHOCKED to discover how much we had in common in our political beliefs. We all left wanting to continue the discussion. If this had been the case for all of us, since the liberty movement started, I can't help but believe it would have translated to delegate votes.

I pushed HARD after the CD Conventions to get this type of defense enacted as our interim strategy. Unfortunately our coordinators didn't believe it would be effective or happen quick enough to make a real difference. I can bitch about it till I'm blue in the face, but it won't change anything now. We lost because we didn't even try. I know for 100% fact it worked for me and DonovanJames yesterday. The hard-core establishment we talked to agreed RP should get a speaking slot at Tampa, based on our conversations with them...



Fair enough. You win some, you loose some. I had a fantastic experience with my discussions, sorry you couldn't.



No, but I do have a deeper understanding as to why they will and it's not what so many on this board think...


Good on you for working hard to find common ground during your discussions.

1. Did you ask these guys where they got their information/news from?
2. Did you ask these guys what their impression of RP supporters was, and how they formed that opinion?
3. I see you got the establishment to agree RP should get a speaking slot. What were their opinions of him compared to Romney before/after your discussions?
4. Where these folks Romney diehards, Santorum types, ?
5. What were their reason(s) for continuing to support a big gov't conservative like Romney?

BTW, I attribute the bolded section above to the MSM driving perceptions of the RP camp to the rank&file GOPer.
 
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"3. I see you got the establishment to agree RP should get a speaking slot. What were their opinions of him compared to Romney before/after your discussions?"

I can tell you that getting Paul a speaking slot was not an accomplishment.They conceded that with no argument.

"the lesser of 2 evils" was their argument.

Yes we had common ground that was easy but they wouldn't vote for Paul.
 
1. Did you ask these guys where they got their information/news from?

The discussions we had centered more on personal mutual understanding than fact checking.

2. Did you ask these guys what their impression of RP supporters was, and how they formed that opinion?

Yes. They told us, quite frankly, that if we want to be taken seriously we need to be respected. They see the passion in those of us that continue to rant after a point has been made or have, for lack of a better term, conspiracy theory's as confrontational and uneducated. Regardless of our beliefs or level of research, to the main stream public many of us come off as wacko nut-jobs. This is an image problem that brings with it a prejudiced stigma. Right or wrong, that is why many of us are not taken seriously or even allowed to present our opinions.

3. I see you got the establishment to agree RP should get a speaking slot. What were their opinions of him compared to Romney before/after your discussions?

It was probably mid-day when we got to that point in our conversations. I can't speak for 100% certainty, but if I had to guess, I'd say their views of RP were overall better by the end of the day than they were when they arrived. Like I said on 2, their issues were more with the supporters than the candidate. Their issues with RP were policy based, not personality. (e.g. foreign policy, gold standard, etc...) Mostly their opinions on policy remained strong, but we reached a mutual understanding as to why each of us had our respective views.

4. Where these folks Romney diehards, Santorum types, ?

I'm not sure I can answer this question the way you want. Honestly we are being prejudiced and stereotyping them as bad as they us by using such terms. I'd say they were, for the most part, very well educated individuals. They made it clear if the candidate the party put forward didn't stand for what they believed they would not vote for him/her. This year, given the choices, they made the educated decision to choose the candidate they were backing. Just like us.

5. What were their reason(s) for continuing to support a big gov't conservative like Romney?

Does it matter? It's their decision. Is it our place to belittle it any more than it's theirs to do so with ours?

BTW, I attribute the bolded section above to the MSM driving perceptions of the RP camp to the rank&file GOPer.

It's not necessarily JUST the MSM driving perceptions, and from what I can tell the GOP would welcome us if we proved to be in the best interests for the party and not just out to take it over. Look at it this way; When a Jehovah's Witness knocks on your door, what is your first impulse? What is the average mainstream American's reaction? Why? For many of us it's simply a prejudiced opinion. For others, it's irritation for the interruption. For many it's the fact that they know, no matter how well each side understands each other, at the end of the day the Jehovah's Witness has an agenda to convert you. Now replace Jehovah's Witness with Ron Paul supporter. This is what we are up against. We believe we have reached an undeniable conclusion. This is where our logic fails. Every US citizen has the right to make their own decision. The fact that they don't fall in line with us when many of us try to cram it down their throats does not make them any different from us not wanting to become a Jehovah's Witness.
 
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This thread is awesome. A sincere thanks to OP for your report and all your effort. I watch/follow the conventions every chance I can and am always inspired by the Paul supporters that show up. Thank you all!

Also a big thanks to DonovanJames and CJPrinter for your efforts, reports, and inspiring words. The excellent writing/reporting in this thread needs to be viewed by more people. A fantastic case was laid out for the need to make friends and play nice. This can be done without compromising one's own principles and this is how we use the system against our opponents... at least until we outnumber them.

If we had the numbers, I would of advocated stepping on the establishment’s throats and pulling the trigger. Don't mistake understanding the necessity to change the perceptions of your enemy for a lack of motivation to win. A Convention is indeed a contest and making friends is an auxiliary to winning for your candidate, but it is much easier to get into the castle with gifts and then open the doors from within instead of assaulting the gates from the outside.
 
"I will under no circumstances vote for this man and I will resist against his nomination until the RNC - In a general election; I am writing in Paul. Do not think for a second that I did not make that perfectly clear to these establishment types during our conversations. As a matter of fact I went as far as accusing them for allowing the nominee to be a man that is in far disconnect from the platform of the Republican Party, that he will lose to Obama in a general election, and that the 700+ people here for Ron Paul will never vote for Party over Principle. I was friendly and respectful but unwavering in my own resolve. By openly discussing our problems with the current state of the party, it plants seeds of introspection for these people. The woman (mid to late 50's) two chairs down from me was actively listening to a portion of our conversation about the NDAA -- A few moments later I watched from over her shoulder as she typed in, "what is the NDAA" in her phone. That's a win. Another man, who is a mortgage loan officer and a committeeman for Greene County, has agreed to read End the Fed if I in turn read The Everlasting Man. That's a win. "

I agree for the most part we just interpret it all different.

If you won't vote for Romney then to them you are a Obama supporter.You were not welcome there and "are not a real republican"

That was my interpretation because thats how they treated us.

I understand the "wanna take the party over" idea I was more concerned with winning Paul delegates.Understand I'm not all aboard with Rand and am not convinced yet that he is like his dad.As I think they disagree on bringing all the troops home.Other then Rand I don't see another Ron Paul in the future.I think the establishment will continue to run romneys,santorums,gingrichs.The reason us Paulers go crazy for Paul is because deep down in our hearts we know this may be our last chance.

For Gods sakes their running liberal democrats,unconstitutional,liberty destroyers as presidential candidates in the republican party.The democratic party is lost already.Its "the lesser of 2 evils".I was actually given the "lesser of 2 evils" pitch by several romney supporters.

I won't do the write in paul vote because that is not recorded.Instead I will vote libertarian.

I find that being nice to those confused people helps win converts. I have to say that it's not always the best tactic, but it seems to have the best response.

As to who to vote for, I'll only be voting for Dr. Paul. Even if they don't "count" the write-ins (but I'm still hoping for the nomination in Tampa) I can at least proudly say who I voted for. Really, a vote for ANYONE else is a wasted vote. . .
 
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