MO GOP Shambles listen to what happened

[scotto2008]

But wouldn't the rules form a certain sort of "contract"? I mean, even ignoring election laws etc... seems that rules make a "contract."

I mean... a store can (in theory anyways) run their business however they want, but they can't change things once they state them... it's kinda a what, unspoken contract? They can't post an item for $10, then silently charge your credit card $30, for example. Why? Because they posted it as $10. If there was never a posted price, just a $30 charge at the counter--that would be legal, although 99% of people would ask the price first.

Same with a group, I would think. If there are no posted rules, anything goes (pretty much). If they have rules though, they need to either follow them or change them in the manner stated in the rules.

Well, first of all, I would never belong to a group that would have me as a member. :o

But seriously, I don't think joining a group is considered a contract. It's more of a voluntary act of participation, because you can quit any time. And in your example of a purchase, money changes hands at an agreed price, so if they charged your credit card more than what is agreed, it would be fraud or theft.

But I'm not an attorney, therefore I make no representation as to validity of the previous claim, and will not be held liable for any damages arising from application of said claims to any legal arrangement spoken or unspoken.

 

[NCGOPer_for_Paul]

Just to play devil's advocate, can't a political party run their organization anyway they see fit? I.e. don't they make their own rules?

Someone mentioned state statutes -- is there really a legal aspect to it?

Yes. To all questions.

In order to be an official party organization, each organization needs to file a Plan Of Organization with the State Party. This needs to follow the State Plan, or can stray with the votes of members (ANY registered Republicans living in the area the organization covers).

Along with the Plan of Organization, Permanent Rules need to be drawn up. There are committees which create and CAN amend these rules in committee, BUT these rules need to be RATIFIED by the delegates at Convention, after a period of debate.

If rules are not followed, the convention is illegal under the rules of the party--then state laws get involved.

 

[scotto2008]

Here's another article about todays CD 2 sham convention.

http://stlplatform.org/content/view/234/122/

Apparently Tina Hervey, spokeswoman for the Missouri Republican Party, suffers from Dorothy in Oz syndrome. She thinks if she repeats "all the rules were followed" often enough while clicking her heels, it will make it so.

Awesome quote Debbie. My hat is off to all involved. This should be a model for future grass roots activities. You followed the rules, took the high road, and exposed the defenders of the status quo as frauds and weasels.

The article was remarkably fair and balanced (oops, sorry), though I assume the MSM would apply its usual filters to the story.

All in all, I am angry at the GOP but very inspired by your actions.

 

[TruthAtLast]

wow...

They hire off duty police officers to "keep the peace". Couldn't we do the same.

 

[TruthAtLast]

One district he said the contest was filed too late. Second was that people didn't know who they were voting for I think? and the third was that some of our names were on Ron Paul's website (My name was included).

I didn't know you could be disqualified because your names were on a website (a Republican Presidential Candidate's website).

 

[leonster]

Well, first of all, I would never belong to a group that would have me as a member. :o

But seriously, I don't think joining a group is considered a contract. It's more of a voluntary act of participation, because you can quit any time. And in your example of a purchase, money changes hands at an agreed price, so if they charged your credit card more than what is agreed, it would be fraud or theft.

But I'm not an attorney, therefore I make no representation as to validity of the previous claim, and will not be held liable for any damages arising from application of said claims to any legal arrangement spoken or unspoken.

But you as an individual member of the group... and the group itself (which is a separate entity, much like a corporation is a legal entity?)... are two different things.

 

[scotto2008]

But you as an individual member of the group... and the group itself (which is a separate entity, much like a corporation is a legal entity?)... are two different things.

My guess is that the GOP bylaws are worded in such a way as to prevent any legal challenge by a member of the group.

 

[scotto2008]

Yes. To all questions.

In order to be an official party organization, each organization needs to file a Plan Of Organization with the State Party. This needs to follow the State Plan, or can stray with the votes of members (ANY registered Republicans living in the area the organization covers).

Along with the Plan of Organization, Permanent Rules need to be drawn up. There are committees which create and CAN amend these rules in committee, BUT these rules need to be RATIFIED by the delegates at Convention, after a period of debate.

If rules are not followed, the convention is illegal under the rules of the party--then state laws get involved.

Interesting. Thanks for clearing that up. I guess it was silly of me to think that any organization was free from some sort of state control.

Not that I'm an anarchist or anything...

 

[scotto2008]

They why dont we just bring along our police officers?

We need storm troopers. Just kidding. I think.

 

[mczerone]

But you as an individual member of the group... and the group itself (which is a separate entity, much like a corporation is a legal entity?)... are two different things.

we need to remember that while the GOP is a private entity, it produces a product for consumption for the general populace: elected officials.

Its like a Privately owned Public Utility, and thus must be held to the strictest standards in regulation and oversight by the people. And no matter the internal structure of the corporation owning a Public Utility, there must be record keeping, fair hiring and promoting practices, and hearings and meetings must be open to the public.

Just some ideas to bring to the argument, so that we can live with our 'laissez-fare' ideologies, but bring the (private) political parties under some kind of oversight to end this horrible power-drunk corruption of the entire system.

 

[hawks4ronpaul]

wow, 2 great stories you guys posted

http://stlplatform.org/content/view/234/122/
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ne...64CF6ED868C2A80286257431000BBF84?OpenDocument

I wasn't able to contest my contested alternate status, they said I was not allowed because my name was in support of Ron Paul on his website... Wow real logic there... even though they may be right didn't mean I'd not vote for McCain.
Eh what ever... I'll be seeing what happens in Branson when I go down there.

Did they disqualify every delegate who appears on pro-Romney/Huckabee/etc. sites?


http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/

 

[hotbrownsauce]

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[pepperpete1]

Thanks

Thanks hotbrownsauce for the update. And thank God that there are people there that are on top of it and challenging them! If you do not receive the answers you need from the MOGOP you can take it to the national committee.

 

[crazyfacedjenkins]

So why didn't you use your "right" to bear arms and take back the fraud of a democracy we love so dearly?

 

[nate895]

Hey, if they don't seat the delegates, make sure you have enough people for a RUMP.

 

[hotbrownsauce]

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I'll update you later privacy reasons.

 

[acroso]

We should just bog them down in legal battles for no other reason than to annoy them since they're clearly cheating