Mitt Romney: Take Down the Confederate Flag Immediately

National Burn the Confederate Flag Day.....................June 27th....................Let them have their fun.

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America is reeling over the racist massacre of 9 black parishioners who had opened their doors and accepted in their killer only an hour earlier. The country was shocked by the assassination of state senator Clementa Pinckney, who served as pastor of the historic church in Charleston, S.C. In mourning, flags all across America were lowered to half-mast to remember the innocent lives lost solely due to the color of their skin.

But one flag still flaps high and proud above South Carolina. It is the flag of slavery, the flag of treason. It's the flag of lynching and the flag of the KKK. It's the flag that was waved proudly during segregation and outside of church burnings.

The Confederate flag is not the flag of states' rights. It's the flag of racism, and it flew high as a young, angry, ignorant white man murdered 9 innocent African Americans -- just as it flew over countless racist killings before.

The Confederate flag has flown in America for 150 years too long. The Civil War is long over. Fortunately, our First Amendment right gives us the power of free speech that will allow us to display our feelings by burning the flag of slavery from sea to shining sea. Join us for a PEACEFUL DAY OF PROTEST and burn the Confederate flag.

This is our day to demonstrate that it is no longer acceptable to fly this flag anywhere. Organize a Confederate flag burning event in your area on Saturday, June 27th, and flood social media with pictures and videos using the hashtags #FeelTheBurn and #TakeItDown

Remember that we want PEACEFUL and LAWFUL protests!!

Demonstrate LOUD and CLEAR to the nation, and to the world, that America will no longer allow state-sponsored racism to find aid and comfort on our noble shores.

#FeelTheBurn #TakeItDown

"Stars and Bars," your time is up.
 
What is my nefarious motive?


(A: To not rub salt in the wounds of others.)


False wounds, entirely created by the PTB through an intense campaign of indoctrination over the last 50 years or so. Why? The Confederate flag is a symbol of rebellion against centralized authority and the Empire will not tolerate the existence of such symbols, and in fact encourages violence against those who would display them. I don't believe you have a nefarious motive, you're just not real smart, or extremely young and naive.
 
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That's acceptable in my eyes, but I find it strange how this entire Roof situation immediately turned to the Confederate flag. It's almost like these activists don't care that Roof was on suboxone.

Well, if you actually read his manifesto, it was mostly the virulent anti-white propaganda of the MSM that motivated him. So they had a vested interest in changing the topic to some random irrelevancy.
 
Mike Church's Response On Facebook. Whoa!

I will spare all of you the agony of watching South Carolina descend into a satire of moral courage by beating up on a 2 ft x 4 ft rectangular piece of poly-cotton dyed with Indigo and scarlet ink. Logic dictates that flags are inanimate objects that are neither racist nor sexually active. Cloak yourself in one that blasphemes against the beauty of God's creation called the rainbow and you are a Saint. Cloak yourself, nay get within a city block of another [flag] that honors and distinguishes the graves of 450,000 men, women and children killed in an UnJust war and you are "symbol of hate". I have a suggestion for the phony sympathizers outraged at the "loss of black life" (a genuine tragedy). Find an abortion clinic near you to weep and demand an end to the killing of innocent life of ALL races and the monsters that perpetrate the crimes, no flag is needed.

Pretty much in line with my initial thoughts.

And to top it all off Obama is going to give the eulogy. So Dylann the murderer prays with them. And now gay marriage pushing drone gangsta atheist Obama is going to stand above Hillary supporting pastors dead body in God's house and school us on how great a man he was and how Jesus isn't the sacrificial lamb but all 9 of those [alleged] God-deniers were.
 
... And now gay marriage pushing drone gangsta atheist Obama is going to stand above Hillary supporting pastors dead body in God's house and school us on how great a man he was and how Jesus isn't the sacrificial lamb but all 9 of those [alleged] God-deniers were.

This comment reminded me of this protester sign from old Time mag story:





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Lucas Jackson—Reuters A demonstrator holds up a sign protesting the Obama administration's use of drones, in New York, May 1, 2014
 
BOTH flags are a disgrace. when I think Confederacy i think of a state that failed to protect individual rights, had a monetary policy that lead to hyperinflation, instituted a draft (the first one in US history).

When i think "old glory" i think imperialism and interventionist foreign policy. A government bought and sold by the corporate lobbyists and crony capitalist who wield their power by bullying small 3rd world countries.

Now if those "good old boys" actually were consistent in their belief in states rights, maybe i'd be more sympathetic. They wanted the Feds to protect their own interests when they needed them.
 
Mitt Romney utilized the word "immediately" in his recent tweet and voiced his anger and outrage over the shooting. Governor Haley by now bringing a new focus on the flag is opening up the debate once more as she clearly indicates how close a political ally she is to Gentleman Mitt! Jack Hunter is an intelligent man. He says what he thinks. He just laid out a major insight. "I now have different priorities. Dylann Roof is a reminder of what’s at stake." Kids like Dylann Roof must be talked to. Right after May of 1865 our Civil War ends, in part because Jefferson Davis is captured by Union troops after he leaves Abbeville, South Carolina. I looked at the film COPPERHEAD online because I missed my opportunity to see the film in a local movie house. Likewise, THE CONSPIRATOR, the "indie" film that Robert Redford directed so well and competantly in a theater near me is another missed opportunity. I really liked the fine British actor who plays out the role of Reverdy Johnson! Its easy to feel sorry for Mary Surratt, or even ask, if Andrew Johnson was to later on in that year by X~mas or New Years hand out a partial or full presidential pardon to so many Confederates, why did he hold back in terms of Doctor Samuel Mudd, Mary Surratt and George Adzerodt? Answer --- Andrew Johnson was a very contrary Tennessee Scalawag of a politician, loyal to a fault to Honest Abe but often delighting in the way we could get his opponents PO'ed. He often quarreled with Senator Jefferson Davis and was never known to have worshipped the ground he walked on. Andrew Johnson did his darndest to keep Tennessee in the Union. If one is vaguely familar with both the Presidential Reconstruction and then the Congressional Reconstruction that follows on the heels of the election of 1866 one has seen the adjective RADICAL modifying the word Republican, and one can get confused. The political stances taken by today's LIBERAL REPUBLICANs are very similar to the stances taken by Senator Charles Sumner, who by definition IS a Radical Republican. Not many GOP people after the time of William McKinley are being described as a being a Radical Republican. Senator Ed Brooke is a Liberal Republican. Mitt Romney is a Centrist Republican. His tweet does not change this. Clearly John Hunter is being less the politician and more like the great Irish statesman Edmund Burke who was aghast at what the French Revolution did to France and then defined Toryism in a good way as well as Conservatism here and in the U.K! Sometimes in a manner like Edmund Burke one finds oneself ceasing to be as Whig as one becomes more Tory. Sometimes one has to say when things are becoming sadly violent, whether on a small scale or a much greater scale. I am not trying to lump this recent tragedy in with Columbine or the shooting in Newtown, Connecticut a few years back and simply say guns are to blame. Its more than this. There is a climate of hatred that some people are more open to, hense why our POTUS suggested the other day that the flag belongs in a museum. Over the last few weeks and months I've been following events in the U.K and was delightfully fascinated by the pomp and ceremony that reburied the mortal remains of RICHARD III. Between 2o12 and 2o15 I've been looking at online episodes of America Unearthed and the controversy about the Kensington Rune Stone. Normally our great Civil War is remembered in great detail by all re-enactors, they take great pride in getting their equipment and uniforms correct. Small details are important. Just the other day the U.K celebrated the 800th anniversary of the very reluctant signing of the Magna Carta by King John at Runnymede. In 1485 the wrong king may have won the battle of Bosworth Field, and the same can be said about 1066 and Harold Godwinson, who Edward the Confessor wanted as his sworn heir! I'm bringing up 1492 also, and how often Scott Wolter thinks a European got to our Western Hemisphere shores well long before Christopher Columbus. In my minds eye I was comparing 1485 to 1066, and as I was going into Riii related Facebook sites and webpages, i encountered a geneology. In Spain, prior to the union of Aragon and Castile, at least ten kings with the name Alfonso ruled Castile. Richard III has Alfonso X of Spain as an ancestor. I had thought of him as being French or Norman French but not as being part Castilian! Freshly from this ancient lore i was when i looked at the two photos online that show Dylann Roof next to the date 1488 in the sand. Well I knew that Francis Lovell tries to organize a revolt against HENRY TUDOR but it is in 1487, and is put down. Henry VII when on the English throne tends to act like King John, his ancient ancestor. He likes to have heavy taxes placed on England's peasants and yeoman farmers. Any positive social reforms that happened under either Edward IV or Richard III run the risk of being rolled back under Henry Tudor. He can be said to be England's last truly Catholic king, which if we discuss kings who both reign and rule, we start to articulate out the thought that poor Richard the Third was the second to last Catholic monarch of any significance before the Reformation and Henry the Eighth! I view Dylann Roof as a classic example of the way our public school can fail the people who go through it. I know why Mitt Romney expressed himself on Twitter in the manner he did, please keep in mind he could run in 2o2o if Senator Rand Paul sits that one out. He'd get 60% of the vote in 2o2o because he, Governor Haley and Barack Obama are in an agreement on this. I'm backing Jack Hunter to every ounce of my being, he is very correct on this! Yes, lets honour the fallen dead with their appropriate flags who fight and fell for the South, but let us also humour the idea if we do not understand the reasons why we fought our great Civil War we may doom our descendents to fight things out in a repeat performance of the events of 1861 to 1865 if we ever become as polarized again on an issue of the day. As i said before, I have my reasons as to why the better king dies on Bosworth Field, even if we skim over the House of Tudor, we find that the mid-1600s saw a very polarizing Civil War in the U.K and it is no coincidence many of dscendents of the people who backed York or Lancaster either went very Royalist or very Roundhead when trying to see where England was going. In time, as the Puritans lost out, their supporters tended to emigrate here NORTH of the Mason-Dixon line, even if their Royalist and very Cavalier cousins and kin would emigrate SOUTH of the Mason-Dixon line. The power we hand to our POTUS at the federal level is akin to the legitimate degree and level of authority handed to England's kings from the time of Emperor Constantine the Great and King Arthur onwards. If we are ethnically English or British, we have ancestors who grumbled about, protested or hated heavy, unjust and high handed taxes. This sums up everything from the Doomsday book to now. I am more focused on 1066, 1485 and even 1688 if i try to ignore 1775 or 1776. The two photos of Dylann Roof scrawling out his version of 1488 in beach sand is part of our national tragedy. Lets break apart and fragment away this polarizing political cycle of more than a thousand years duration, that in time did evolve the Whig and Tory parties of Edmund Burke's day in a good way. If we cannot break what is an ancestral pattern, we may be dooming everyone's descendants to something worse than what has gone before. I admire Jack Hunter for his logic and his honesty. He understands John Locke much better than most of us here...

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Eh I don't worship a flag so it really doesn't matter to me. I mean from a strictly optics pov (ignoring anything the flag stands for) I would say the battle flag looks better but that's about it.
 
Even if you don't understand/care-about the confederacy, you ought to be seriously concerned about this move.

We're rapidly losing the ability to say anything evenly remotely controversial (read: true and critical of the state).

Where are the Voltaireans, as it were: I may disagree with what you say, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it.

Anyone, anyone...Bueller?

O...that's only for PC (state approved) topics? I see...
 
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Even if you don't understand/care-about the confederacy, you ought to be seriously concerned about this move.

We're rapidly losing the ability to say anything evenly remotely controversial (read: true and critical of the state).

Where are the Voltaireans, as it were: I may disagree with what you say, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it.

Anyone, anyone...Bueller?

O...that's only for PC (state approved) topics? I see...

The R's know just as well as the D's that sometimes you just have to break a few eggs.....
 
Even if you don't understand/care-about the confederacy, you ought to be seriously concerned about this move.

We're rapidly losing the ability to say anything evenly remotely controversial (read: true and critical of the state).

Where are the Voltaireans, as it were: I may disagree with what you say, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it.

Anyone, anyone...Bueller?

O...that's only for PC (state approved) topics? I see...

I agree with this but I also don't understand the strong attachment to the flag. I mean it being just a piece of fabric argument goes both ways. Still I strongly support everyone having the right to display it, wear it etc. if they want. I can understand both sides of the argument when it comes to the flag at the state's capital/memorial? site.


Personally I hate when people try to force their views onto others so I'd be more likely to support the non-PC position. I just wouldn't wish a brain tumor on someone who disagreed.
 
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I agree with this but I also don't understand the strong attachment to the flag....

It's a symbol.

For those of us defending it, it means basically the original American republic - which the South seceded to preserve.

To the ignorant leftists (but I repeat myself) it means racism and/or an obstacle to totalitarian federal control.

This episode is a proxy fight between libertarianism and socialism as far as I'm concerned.
 
It's a symbol.

For those of us defending it, it means basically the original American republic - which the South seceded to preserve.

To the ignorant leftists (but I repeat myself) it means racism and/or an obstacle to totalitarian federal control.

This episode is a proxy fight between libertarianism and socialism as far as I'm concerned.

And that's fine, to me it's just a flag and to you and others it's a lot more than that. I would never want to tell someone what they can and can't find important.

Really I would probably push things to the other extreme and take down the American flag claiming I find it offensive (whether I did or not). It is the Rebel flag, might as well rebel right? I mean slavery existed before the Civil War under the American flag, the American's pushed a great genocide on Native Americans under the American flag, the Americans segregated even after the Civil War under the American flag, the Americans put the Japanese in internment camps under the American flag etc.




the Americans = the American government.
 
Even if you don't understand/care-about the confederacy, you ought to be seriously concerned about this move.

We're rapidly losing the ability to say anything evenly remotely controversial (read: true and critical of the state).

This is about official speech of the state, not personal speech.


The ability of the state to speak in support of or against anything at all should be extremely limited. The state should not fly the confederate flag, the pride flag, the flag of the team that won the superbowl, or any other.
 
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