Mitt Romney Mitt Romney: Minimum Wage Should Rise With Inflation

Care to explain how a fiat money system can change a supply curve?
That would be the job of a keynesian economist.

All I am referring to here is that applying sound monetary principles of virtual limited supply of money doesn't work in an unsound system of unlimited money.
 
That would be the job of a keynesian economist.

Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

All I am referring to here is that applying sound monetary principles of virtual limited supply of money doesn't work in an unsound system of unlimited money.

Explain the mechanics of it. How does that change the existence of supply curves?
 
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Free Market Capitalism
Asset Based Monetary System: 100% redeemable currencies based on commodities and contract law form an virtual limited supply of money depending on natural conditions and effort of mining, growing, or sewing creates stable conditions of relative low inflation and deflation. Wages are set by laissez-faire free-market capitalism exchanges.

Controlled Market Socialism
Debt Based Monetary System: Irredeemable currencies created out of nothing based on faith under force of law and managed policy by insiders form an unlimited supply of money which creates a controlled economy characterized by a monitored rate of inflation and debt. Wages are managed by policy not market conditions.
 
Can you explain why it is that supply and demand do not impact the economy today? Why do supply curves not matter? At what point did supply and demand stop effecting the labor market?
 
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Can you explain why it is that supply and demand do not impact the economy today? Why do supply curves not matter? At what point did supply and demand stop effecting the labor market?
Controlled markets of unlimited supply of fiat money dictate policy and favors insiders.

A builder, contractors and lumber supplier build a house with their resources. They put forth great effort and skill to build the home. The house sells for $250k. The buyer gets a loan for the house and pays the contractors and suppliers. The banker creates $250k out of nothing and has the buyer sign a promise to pay back the $250k + interest with a 30 year loan and the banker profits ~$500k for doing nothing. Fiat money distorts value.
 
Controlled markets of unlimited supply of fiat money dictate policy and favors insiders.

A builder, contractors and lumber supplier build a house with their resources. They put forth great effort and skill to build the home. The house sells for $250k. The buyer gets a loan for the house and pays the contractors and suppliers. The banker creates $250k out of nothing and has the buyer sign a promise to pay back the $250k + interest with a 30 year loan and the banker profits ~$500k for doing nothing. Fiat money distorts value.
Can you tell me how this pertains to price controls?
 
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Minimum wage = wage controls...which is just as detrimental as price controls, where both represent the government attempting to dictate what people can and cannot afford and purchase, in a feeble attempt to control the Invisible Hand.

All it ends up doing is screwing with true supply and demand, and I can't believe Romney supports such concepts.

Ron must point this out in the debate...nicely though, since he and Romney appear to love each other....well that's what Fox told me! Geez!
 
Can you tell me how this pertains to price controls?
Do you understand the difference between sound monetary policy with 100% redeemable currency vs. unsound fiat monetary policy with irredeemable currency?
 
Do you understand what a supply curve is?
Applying sound monetary policy to an unsound monetary system is fail and visa versa.*

The supply curve for money is not applicable to 100% redeemable currency because all effects are market controlled. In other words money is a commodity. Supply and demand set the price for all goods and services because money is virtually limited in supply along with all goods and services.

The supply curve for money affects markets controlled by policy of created out of nothing money. Fiat money is not a commodity. Commodities are limited in supply but money is unlimited. Prices are distorted and set by policy.
 
Applying sound monetary policy to an unsound monetary system is fail and visa versa.*

The supply curve for money is not applicable to 100% redeemable currency because all effects are market controlled. In other words money is a commodity. Supply and demand set the price for all goods and services because money is virtually limited in supply along with all goods and services.

The supply curve for money affects markets controlled by policy of created out of nothing money. Fiat money is not a commodity. Commodities are limited in supply but money is unlimited. Prices are distorted and set by policy.
You have convinced me that you have no idea what a supply curve is(or what the word limited means).

Here is a hint: It is not dependent on monetary policy.

Do you want an explanation as to what a supply curve is?
 
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You have convinced me that you have no idea what a supply curve is(or what the word limited means).

Here is a hint: It is not dependent on monetary policy.
And you have convinced me that you do not understand the difference between sound money, fully redeemable, and irredeemable fiat money.
 
Yeah, this is the guy who knows how to create jobs. Maybe he does on a CEO level (maybe) but he is off the reservation as far as economics goes.
 
And you have convinced me that you do not understand the difference between sound money, fully redeemable, and irredeemable fiat money.
I learned that stuff back in high school, along with the concepts of supply and demand.

You have absolutely no understanding of economics. All you do is make posts that vaguely talk about sound money without any detail, as you do not have any indepth understanding of monetary policy. Having fiat money does not somehow alter the laws of supply and demand so that price controls do not cause shortages and surplus's.
 
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I learned that stuff back in high school, along with the concepts of supply and demand.

You have absolutely no understanding of economics. All you do is make posts that vaguely talk about sound money without any detail, as you do not have any indepth understanding of monetary policy. Having fiat money does not somehow make it that price controls do not cause shortages and surplus's.
More proof that you don't read carefully for content. Maybe you will watch this video and learn: The Purse & The Sword by Dr. Edwin Vieira Jr.
 
You expect me to buy some video on amazon that costs $35 dollars to explain to me why supply and demand do not effect the labor market? Why don't you explain it?
 
well he does point out the major issue is inflation and the weakness of the minimum wage law even if his solution is more the same
 
We should NOT say anything about minimum wage, it could do more harm than help since people are in tough times. Focus on the issues already.

If this subject comes up, we're far, far better off talking about inflation, or more precisely, the devaluation of the dollar, than whatever band-aids we tend to turn to when the money in our pocket shrinks like wool in a hot dryer.
 
You expect me to buy some video on amazon that costs $35 dollars to explain to me why supply and demand do not effect the labor market? Why don't you explain it?
Okay. I will try one more time.

Sound money "rings" when dropped on a hard surface. Sound money is not unlimited in supply because the limits are defined by how many resources can be mined, how much product can be grown, and how many goods can be manufactured. (i.e. the limit of how much can be mined, grown, or sewn at any given time). Sound money is representative of valuable products and services.

Sound monetary policy is based on valuable exchanges between traders. For example, if a doctor "sets" your broken bone, then you should "pay" the doctor something of value that he requests. It could be a piece of gold, a certificate for a weekend in Hawaii, or a week's worth of dining for two at a fine restaurant. Whatever the doc wants. If he charges too much, then his reputation for overcharging will alert him to that fact and he will bring his price back in line with the value of his service.

So, in a monetary system of sound money value is exchanged for value. The doctor should not be required by law to charge a minimum or maximum for his services. That transaction is between the customer and the provider. Minimum wage laws only distort value in the system of honest sound money.

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The world's economic systems were based on sound money until the printing press came into being. Now, most of the world's economy is based on central bank's fiat money and however many zeros they decide to add to the balance sheet. Of course nobody knows what amount that is because our representatives refuse to audit the Fed, but nonetheless the rules change.

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Fiat money is "created" out of thin air because laws and security teams force people to use their legal tender ... The Federal Reserve Act of 1913. Side note: In fact money is not "elastic" and cannot be "created" out of nothing. That is a distortion of reality, and the money still comes from production indirectly ... but I digress. Unlimited amounts of fiat money can be printed or added to bank accounts by adding zeros to the end of the number.

If the powers-that-be determine the world's money supply should be one $Quadrillion, then they must "indirectly control" how much the doctor charges for his services and they must direct employers the minimum amount to pay employees. They do in fact control the amount of money in the world by force of law and guns. Supply and demand forces are seriously distorted.

What happens if the powers-that-be determine the money supply should grow from one $Quadrillion to one $Septillion? Well the doc should get a raise and so should the employees. The markets are controlled by policy. To be fair, the minimum wage should go from $7.00 per hour to $7,000,000,000,000.00 per hour to keep pace with inflation. Minimum wage laws, and price controls, become important and should be tied to inflation in a system of unlimited money supply.

Therefore, minimum wage laws should be enacted, as long as, smart Ivy League Anglo-American power-elite graduates control the money supply.


Applying sound money principles to an unsound system of fiat money doesn't work and visa versa.
 
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