Mitt did not win, WE Lost it for Ron

[Ron_Paul_Knows]

Just to be clear, it was 4 people that couldn't get in, not 40, if that makes any bit of difference.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2639015&postcount=441

 

[MelissaWV]

Just to be clear, it was 4 people that couldn't get in, not 40, if that makes any bit of difference.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2639015&postcount=441

Even looking at that post, it still appears from the first report that 40 were late for registration. Again, why? "Unaware"? How many supporters of other candidates were also unaware? It seems like a piece of vital information that one would seek out before going.

Then apparently 36 people were allowed in after registration closed? Four people went to go get drinks Is one of these also the person who says they were in the bathroom, and hence could not vote? The last quote even talks of "sneaking in." Classy.

FYI the SRLC website said registration would be on floor 2, but it was actually on floor 3. Some of the late ones were actually their on time, but was on the wrong floor, then directed by a SRLC worker to go to the first floor, but then finally they communicated with some of us who directed them to the right floor for them to find that registration had just closed. My friend Tony stood up for everyone and eventually got them (except 4 apparently) in. He has video and it will probably be going up on youtube.

Also, he said that once they were in, the doors to the voting room had been closed. They were then open and the group of them went in to vote, and then he said the doors were closed yet again after they left... Not sure what that was about.

In reading this, it seems like there was a legitimate mix-up. This is, however, why you arrive early. If you're on the 2nd floor and can't find registration, and you see it's a time when registration should be going on, then try to figure out where it is. If it took you until "registration had just closed" to find the right place, odds are you were not there very early at all. The fact that the voting room doors were closed and there's no mention of other confused voters milling around leads me to believe the other candidates' voters had no such confusion, or were there early enough to resolve it.

Again, I am just concerned about the organization (or lack thereof) of a mass of 40 people moving around trying to figure out where registration is shortly before registration is going to close.

 

[Paulatized]

I don't really care much about the straw poll results, frankly. It's not that the reported forty people who were "locked out" of voting would have won it for us that irks me. It's that there are STILL people in this movement who plan so poorly. This is not something that is likely to go away in time for November 2010, and certainly not likely to go away before all of the complicated efforts that have to be undertaken to get Ron the Presidential nomination (or even on the radar/at the debates) if he runs again. It is deja vu, and it's not a good feeling.

I am willing to bet there are a lot of supporters who are under the impression that nothing really needs doing until the primary vote or, even worse, until the November 2012 election. Quite frankly, if the man announces, there are a lot of states where people will have to scramble to get registered and imbed themselves in their local political machinery. People need to study their state's nomination process, how to become a delegate, how to vote in case Dr. Paul is eliminated as a choice in a first or second round of GOP state convention voting (if that's their state's method), and so on. If all of that needs doing, but we still have people who are willing to travel all that way and then not be there on time and know what they're supposed to do (in the bathroom? Really?), then it will be another purely "educational" campaign.

We could have lost by 41 votes, and I would still be concerned that 40 people are reported not to have made registration.

We had an awesome showing at the straw poll, but if we ever want more, every person needs to be up to speed on what to do, where to be, and when to be there, for every event. In a movement about personal responsibility, the buck stops with each individual, no?

Maybe the loss speaks more to us about personal distraction from focus on purpose than seriousness of loss of the straw poll, which is probably getting as much attention as a win would have gotten. (We all know a win would have been as dismissed and as trivialized as the CPAC win was.) The disturbing thing about the loss was supporters in attendance who evidently let distractions cause them to get complacent and casual with the importance of the cause for liberty. Is this speaking to the state of the movement in general at this time? If so let it be a needed wakeup call.

 

[MelissaWV]

Maybe the loss speaks more to us about personal distraction from focus on purpose than seriousness of loss of the straw poll, which is probably getting as much attention as a win would have gotten. (We all know a win would have been as dismissed and as trivialized as the CPAC win was.) The disturbing thing about the loss was supporters in attendance who evidently let distractions cause them to get complacent and casual with the importance of the cause for liberty. Is this speaking to the state of the movement in general at this time? If so let it be a needed wakeup call.

The problem is that the movement was in a similar state 2-3 years ago, too. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: we had state delegates to the GOP convention who slept in and otherwise didn't show up. They were elected, they were Ron Paul delegates, and they couldn't be bothered to make it there. Not everyone needs to be involved 100% of the time, obviously, but if you commit to being a voter, and especially if you are backed by sponsors (several of us did pony up money to support trips and hotel rooms), that should be your #1 goal.

The few things I've read so far don't help matters. "Four of us went to get drinks." "I was in the bathroom." "We were on the wrong floor and by the time we got to the right floor registration was closed, so we made a stink until they let most of us in." Thank goodness no opposition has picked up on that last one, eh? If Romney had lost by one, don't you think video (and the other thread mentions there being video) would surface of Ron Paul supporters "bullying their way in after registration"?

: : : sighs : : :

 

[TruthisTreason]

I disagree that "we" lost it for Ron.


The fact is his message did not resonate with anyone except the people we recruited to come! CFL bought 600 tickets and we didn't even get that many votes.

He couldn't influence 50 to 100 average Republicans at the conference to vote for him based on his message?

To me that clearly shows something he says turns off the average voter in the GOP or their support is already allocated somewhere else..

 

[rp08orbust]

I disagree that "we" lost it for Ron.


The fact is his message did not resonate with anyone except the people we recruited to come! CFL bought 600 tickets and we didn't even get that many votes.

He couldn't influence 50 to 100 average Republicans at the conference to vote for him based on his message?

To me that clearly shows something he says turns off the average voter in the GOP or their support is already allocated somewhere else..

It was 800, not 600. And for all we know, only 200 C4Lers showed up and voted and the other 238 votes came from non-C4Lers. We'll never know.

What we do know is that a large number of C4L members failed us big time.

 

[Ron_Paul_Knows]

Even looking at that post, it still appears from the first report that 40 were late for registration. Again, why? "Unaware"? How many supporters of other candidates were also unaware? It seems like a piece of vital information that one would seek out before going.

Then apparently 36 people were allowed in after registration closed? Four people went to go get drinks Is one of these also the person who says they were in the bathroom, and hence could not vote? The last quote even talks of "sneaking in." Classy.

Yeah, you're right, they were still late in the first place. Here is a little bit more information though:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2639456&postcount=448

So some of them were late because they got directed to the wrong floor, but still they should have showed up earlier just in case since that was the #1 reason they were there, to win the straw poll.

 

[TruthisTreason]

It was 800, not 600. And for all we know, only 200 C4Lers showed up and voted and the other 238 votes came from non-C4Lers. We'll never know.

What we do know is that a large number of C4L members failed us big time.

Possibly, but you miss my point.


Ron's message will only get us so far. If we truly want to change the masses -- we will have to change the way we engage with the masses.

Telling them they are wrong and we are right won't get the job done. Instead we should focus on the things we agree on!

GOP doesn't agree with Ron's foreign policy.. so don't throw it in their face at some GOP pow wow. He should have focused on sound money and the debt, then, some possible new supporters would have left there saying, " I like this Ron Paul guy when it comes to my money."


But instead most left saying, "Ron Paul is crazy on foreign policy."

 

[speciallyblend]

Possibly, but you miss my point.


Ron's message will only get us so far. If we truly want to change the masses -- we will have to change the way we engage with the masses.

Telling them they are wrong and we are right won't get the job done. Instead we should focus on the things we agree on!

GOP doesn't agree with Ron's foreign policy.. so don't throw it in their face at some GOP pow wow. He should have focused on sound money and the debt, then, some possible new supporters would have left there saying, " I like this Ron Paul guy when it comes to my money."


But instead most left saying, "Ron Paul is crazy on foreign policy."

do not worry. the gop will alienate themselves with voters!! If they do not follow the Ron Paul Platform, honestly i feel Ron Paul is running in 2012 with or without the gop!! especially after the deaf dumb and blindness coming from the gop establishment!! the gop will bury themselves if they do not wake up soon

 

[rp08orbust]

Possibly, but you miss my point.

Ron's message will only get us so far. If we truly want to change the masses -- we will have to change the way we engage with the masses.

Telling them they are wrong and we are right won't get the job done. Instead we should focus on the things we agree on!

GOP doesn't agree with Ron's foreign policy.. so don't throw it in their face at some GOP pow wow. He should have focused on sound money and the debt, then, some possible new supporters would have left there saying, " I like this Ron Paul guy when it comes to my money."

But instead most left saying, "Ron Paul is crazy on foreign policy."

This strategy of hiding the unpopular parts of the liberty platform works for Rand because he has no voting record. It would not work for Ron Paul, whose non-interventionism is well documented over 11 terms of Congressional history. Trying to hide his non-interventionism now would just make him look like a regular politician.

 

[M House]

People who hate Ron Paul's foreign policy are just crazy blood thirsty psychos. I'm seriously losing faith in anyone who's against Ron Paul on that.

 

[TruthisTreason]

honestly i fell Ron Paul is running in 2012 with or without the gop!!

But, he has to win the GOP primary.

He has a very small chance of doing that here in Kentucky with some of his stances. Maybe other states are different but I some how doubt it. The sheep are not ready for their world to come crumbling down. Their world will have to be renovated not demolished (baby steps).

 

[TruthisTreason]

This strategy of hiding the unpopular parts of the liberty platform works for Rand because he has no voting record. It would not work for Ron Paul, whose non-interventionism is well documented over 11 terms of Congressional history. Trying to hide his non-interventionism now would just make him look like a regular politician.

Who is saying hide it?

I'm saying don't play that song at the GOP pow wow unless you are forced to! Play your hit song "the fed" or play "inflation" or play some "personal liberty."

And stop using Korea as an example of where to bring troops home from! Jesus! The media spends too much time building up evil North Korea for that boat to sail. USE JAPAN!

 

[speciallyblend]

But, he has to win the GOP primary.

He has a very small chance of doing that here in Kentucky with some of his stances. Maybe other states are different but I some how doubt it. The sheep are not ready for their world to come crumbling down. Their world will have to be renovated not demolished (baby steps).

if he runs outside the gop he does not have to win a gop primary, like i said Ron Paul is running with or without the gop. if the gop wants to win. they better shape their asses up(Ron Paul is the only viable option left in the gop). Ron Paul 2012 with or without the gop. that is up to the gop establishment. it will be Ron Paul 2012 or the gop can run obama/cheney 2012 bring our troops home!!

many things can happen between now and 2012. the bottom line is if the gop doesn't shape up soon. they better get out of the way

if the gop nominates romney or palin or the same ole biggovgop folks. THEY WILL LOSE before they ever begin!! the gop can always recruit illegals to vote republican
RON PAUL 2012

 

[Elbridge Gerry]

. . . All the variables were equal on either side. Both sides had an equal opportunity to get their people there or not.

With the EFM a co-sponsor of the SRLC 2010, they essentially passed out free books with tickets at the Hannity event on Friday and Romney may have gotten the overwhelming bulk of straw poll votes on Friday.

EFM probably didn't need to "get" people there . . . and had no speech to wait for . . .
plenty of Hannity neo-cons that took the Friday handout in exchange for their straw poll vote well before Saturday and before RP supporters even knew what was going down.

Lesson learned . . .
but still a solid defeat of Palin and with the introduction of the opt-out legislation by RP this SRLC establishes Romney and Ron Paul as the two GOP frontrunners.

 

[Bucjason]

Straw Polls this far away from the next presidential election?? Who cares ??

So much can change by then...someone could utter the word " Makaka" and thier political career is over. These polls are meaningless right now.

 

[pacelli]

I disagree that "we" lost it for Ron.


The fact is his message did not resonate with anyone except the people we recruited to come! CFL bought 600 tickets and we didn't even get that many votes.

He couldn't influence 50 to 100 average Republicans at the conference to vote for him based on his message?

To me that clearly shows something he says turns off the average voter in the GOP or their support is already allocated somewhere else..

What you say is certainly a possibility. Maybe RP's message just doesn't appeal to the average GOP voter. We have to consider it.

I also wonder if this demonstrates a failure of the CFL's organizational ability. Is there any way to really verify that each person that received a CFL ticket (and showed up to vote) actually voted for RP? Were there CFL reps on the ground directing people where and when to vote?

Also, RP's speech occurred after the vote. There is the potential that some people who voted for someone else had never heard RP speak or were conditioned by media extremists/hacks.

Then again, Romney wasn't even there and won. So we do have to maintain a level head and look at all possibilities. Perhaps Ron won't even run in 2012, or will run another education campaign.

 

[TruthisTreason]

We should start a chip-in and pay a reputable polling company to put Ron Paul, Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney and Newt in a poll for President 2012. Nationwide and see where we really stand with GOP voters.

 

[rp08orbust]

We should start a chip-in and pay a reputable polling company to put Ron Paul, Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney and Newt in a poll for President 2012. Nationwide and see where we really stand with GOP voters.

PPP has already done this (though with Huck instead of Gingrich).

2% before CPAC, 11% after.

 

[TruthisTreason]

PPP has already done this (though with Huck instead of Gingrich).

2% before CPAC, 11% after.

Huck is taking 24% in the last one they did. That changes the equation. Is he even serious about running?