hazek
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Definitely +1.
MIT researchers predict ‘global economic collapse’ by 2030. Thoughts on this?
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I'm on board with that.
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Some of the people on the You Tube video seem to think that Martenson is a lying corporate owned puppet and he is trying to convince people to accept the idea of $8 a gallon gas.
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I wonder that too. However, Chris Martenson was quite convincing with his analogy of bringing the hands together with the magnets. Linear thinking is natural. Exponential thinking is much more challenging. Time will tell.
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One thing I was thinking about when he was talking about exponential change was how technology has changed.....for centuries there were very few changes in technology and then just in the last couple hundred years it has been taking off, especially in the last hundred and later.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_technology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_technology
Just far enough to not worry about the details and just near enough to take vague, preventative action.
I predict the collapse is inevitable due to current, counterfeiting, policies. We can choose to transition to a more balanced economic model (Austrian) or we can wait and have the choice forced upon us. We choose a fundamental realignment or we may as well start a pool as to what year the change will be forced upon us.
I predict the collapse is inevitable due to current, counterfeiting, policies. We can choose to transition to a more balanced economic model (Austrian) or we can wait and have the choice forced upon us. We choose a fundamental realignment or we may as well start a pool as to what year the change will be forced upon us.
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I agree. My first thought at the thread title was "We have that long?" I'd plus rep ya if I could.
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If they hate the American people having kids why do they give us a tax break for having larger families?
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Travlyr,
I'm into your video to 25:10.
A couple of things about the way he looks at things troubles me.
One is he talks about growth. How much of what he is seeing as growth is an illusion brought about by the counterfeiting of the currency?
He was talking about the rising price of oil. How much of that is an illusion brought about by the counterfeiting of the currency?
Somewhere I came across this picture. That was quite a while ago. Every time i have checked the figures it still works because silver coins are a commodity like all of the other real things we trade back and forth. The only thing that has been changing is the value of the currency we have been fooled with for a life time. Has the stock market or the economy grown? Or is it just boasting a higher price tag. You double the money supply and all of a sudden it takes twice as much and some banker or stock market genius is sure he deserves a big bonus.
You can check pretty easy with this with a little fiddling around.
http://www.silverandgoldaremoney.com/
It started out around 17 to 20 cents when I was young, if I remember right. Was stuck at about 25 cents for a long time, I'm sure. I've got a receipt here from 3-20-2012 for $4.599 a gallon.
I'm back to your video. Not sure if I can do a whole hour.
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Travlyr,
At 43:00 or something.
The guy is saying the problem we face is going from cheaper sources to more expensive sources. The cost are going to be staggering.
The problem I see us facing is that through the counterfeiting of the money supply. No matter how much hard earned money the, "We the People" of the world could gather together to build their world the way they want, others can fire up the fake money presses and dictate their way.
N matter where your Aunt Martha has the cookie jar with her savings in it, they can not only find it, but suck the strength right out of it like a vampire in the night. Sure they double the supply through their counterfeiting and you Uncle Phil gets twice as much for his stocks but then the same people that debased the currency stiff him with a capital gains tax on capital gains that were and illusion.
That is just their stealth, back-door socialism. Don't even get me started on their looting of the public held resources and infrastructure to the highest briber. The only people to get any money from someone out shooting for some food and coming up with bubbling crude were the Clampett's and a few hardy individuals in Alaska.
This guy in the video seems to think we are going to have to give a little more. Maybe some will but most of us have had the strength sucked out of our capital to the point where capitalism no longer works.
Back for maybe one more go.
Energy for what? Drones; the Blue Meanies new flying glove?
I'm feeling much better now.?
At 43:00 or something.
The guy is saying the problem we face is going from cheaper sources to more expensive sources. The cost are going to be staggering.
The problem I see us facing is that through the counterfeiting of the money supply. No matter how much hard earned money the, "We the People" of the world could gather together to build their world the way they want, others can fire up the fake money presses and dictate their way.
N matter where your Aunt Martha has the cookie jar with her savings in it, they can not only find it, but suck the strength right out of it like a vampire in the night. Sure they double the supply through their counterfeiting and you Uncle Phil gets twice as much for his stocks but then the same people that debased the currency stiff him with a capital gains tax on capital gains that were and illusion.
That is just their stealth, back-door socialism. Don't even get me started on their looting of the public held resources and infrastructure to the highest briber. The only people to get any money from someone out shooting for some food and coming up with bubbling crude were the Clampett's and a few hardy individuals in Alaska.
This guy in the video seems to think we are going to have to give a little more. Maybe some will but most of us have had the strength sucked out of our capital to the point where capitalism no longer works.
Back for maybe one more go.
Energy for what? Drones; the Blue Meanies new flying glove?
I'm feeling much better now.?
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Travlyr,
Hear we go. He is saying use our resources wisely.
This sounds like one of those things like how they would say the economy was going great. We knew it sucked. Turns out they meant THEIR economy. Not ours.
He also saying use the resources with as little disruption as possible. I pretty sure disruption would be us getting our fair share. That might mean everyone having a say and clamping down on the use AND the resources actually being used wisely...
but then I'm tired and may be jumping to conclusions.
Last jab at it.
Hear we go. He is saying use our resources wisely.
This sounds like one of those things like how they would say the economy was going great. We knew it sucked. Turns out they meant THEIR economy. Not ours.
He also saying use the resources with as little disruption as possible. I pretty sure disruption would be us getting our fair share. That might mean everyone having a say and clamping down on the use AND the resources actually being used wisely...
but then I'm tired and may be jumping to conclusions.
Last jab at it.
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Travlyr,
46:44
I made it about ten seconds.
Oh ya so pissed I had to go back to see why I was so pissed. He says Mexico gets something like 40% of the income from oil and they are collapsing. (Remember. Oil companies are getting in silver what they've been getting in silver for long time. The inflation has sucked the little profit we all got by on down to dust.)
See what I mean. Perfectly sound business models that have stood up to decades and some back to the beginning of time itself can't keep up with he back-door, stealth socialism allowed by the fiat fraud. They have went and done it.
Still must go on a little longer.
46:44
I made it about ten seconds.
Oh ya so pissed I had to go back to see why I was so pissed. He says Mexico gets something like 40% of the income from oil and they are collapsing. (Remember. Oil companies are getting in silver what they've been getting in silver for long time. The inflation has sucked the little profit we all got by on down to dust.)
See what I mean. Perfectly sound business models that have stood up to decades and some back to the beginning of time itself can't keep up with he back-door, stealth socialism allowed by the fiat fraud. They have went and done it.
Still must go on a little longer.
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I'll suggest that you watch this series - http://www.youtube.com/show?p=dF9tP5oI9HY&tracker=show_av
But at the least entertain this one...................
Before you toss out this study.
I watched the video.
If you take all of the world's accumulated knowledge from the beginning of time until 1 AD and expressed it as 1 unit, it took 1500 years to double that accumulated knowledge. Total world accumulated knowledge is now doubling every 15 months. And the rate is accelerating.
Long term assumptions of resource usage are meaningless because they cannot account for this. No one can factor unknown technology into long range projections when things are changing so rapidly.
What we can count on is two things:
1. When supply declines and/or demand increases, prices will rise
2. People will always try to reduce cost and increase efficiency.
Alternatives will be developed. I reject the study.
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