Mistakes Ron Paul Made In Debate
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Thats what I was thinking! He also got skipped over on the abortion issue. You'd think they would want to hear the opinion of the man who has delivered 4000 babies.
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I agree with you but we all know how inept and controlling the MSM is. We should expect it.
Just fo rthe record. I am the biggest Ron Paul fan in the world. The guy is my hero along with Thomas Jefferson. My criticism is out of real love for the man.
He needs to hit the bin Laden issue home. If he stressed that it would have won him a million votes here in ym area because our number one talk show host is harping on the bin Laden issue big time. HAd Ron Paul mentioned how he still wants to get bin Laden Michael Smerconish would have invited him on the show for a lengthly interview and he would have given much support. We have 6 million people in our area.
Just fo rthe record. I am the biggest Ron Paul fan in the world. The guy is my hero along with Thomas Jefferson. My criticism is out of real love for the man.
He needs to hit the bin Laden issue home. If he stressed that it would have won him a million votes here in ym area because our number one talk show host is harping on the bin Laden issue big time. HAd Ron Paul mentioned how he still wants to get bin Laden Michael Smerconish would have invited him on the show for a lengthly interview and he would have given much support. We have 6 million people in our area.
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Good job!
Credit Cujo,not me, i just got it from a thread no one was in to this one, a more popular one.
Personally, I think he should try to limit his message in each appearance and focus on a few core points.
These debate formats, with their limited time, work against someone like Ron. He has a working brain that contains a lot of knowledge. Sometimes it seems like he's struggling to cram too much information in. He's not a sound bite politician like the others.
These debate formats, with their limited time, work against someone like Ron. He has a working brain that contains a lot of knowledge. Sometimes it seems like he's struggling to cram too much information in. He's not a sound bite politician like the others.
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Same thing on Tancredo
I thought Tancredo did the best out of the second tier Republicans this time around. For the second tier guys, it's all about differentiation. That is why Paul did so well in the last debate. Rudy made the mistake of attacking him, and Paul not only showed how he differed from the party on a key issue, but he also showed himself as someone who is factually correct as the followup 'reading for Rudy' reveiled.
Tancredo's red meat for the Republicans was a mortorium on immigration. Many of you might not like it, but it will play well to parts of the base.
Huckabee's answer to the evolution question will play well with Christian Conservatives.
Paul didn't get a real 'standout' chance to differentiate himself on other issues. Nobody was dumb enough to attack him this time around. I know many of his supporters love the fact that he is unscripted, but he could use some new one liners on the issues. Either that, or he needs Rudy to go after him again.
The coverage was sickening by the way. They are pretty much handing the election to Rudy McRomney and Fred Thompson. Hell, Fred Thompson got a free hour long infomercial on Fox News, and then some more time on CNN. It's funny what you can pull off if you've got neocon friends. The whole idea of him as president is a media creation, no conservative I can think of was talking about him a year or two ago.
I thought Tancredo did the best out of the second tier Republicans this time around. For the second tier guys, it's all about differentiation. That is why Paul did so well in the last debate. Rudy made the mistake of attacking him, and Paul not only showed how he differed from the party on a key issue, but he also showed himself as someone who is factually correct as the followup 'reading for Rudy' reveiled.
Tancredo's red meat for the Republicans was a mortorium on immigration. Many of you might not like it, but it will play well to parts of the base.
Huckabee's answer to the evolution question will play well with Christian Conservatives.
Paul didn't get a real 'standout' chance to differentiate himself on other issues. Nobody was dumb enough to attack him this time around. I know many of his supporters love the fact that he is unscripted, but he could use some new one liners on the issues. Either that, or he needs Rudy to go after him again.
The coverage was sickening by the way. They are pretty much handing the election to Rudy McRomney and Fred Thompson. Hell, Fred Thompson got a free hour long infomercial on Fox News, and then some more time on CNN. It's funny what you can pull off if you've got neocon friends. The whole idea of him as president is a media creation, no conservative I can think of was talking about him a year or two ago.
Did everyone vote in the CNN poll?
Don't forget to vote.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/debates/scorecard/gop.debate/
Don't forget to vote.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/debates/scorecard/gop.debate/
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Ron Paul is always likeable, including
in dealing with his adversaries. Dr. Paul is not going to attack with deserved vitriol like " Mr. Giuliani is an authoritarian who would scrap our freedoms and constitutional republic to be Generalissimo Rudolph."
Its going to be about issues and the nature of government and the Constitution, capital "C". Its going to be about ideas. And that is how it should be. The ideas are eternal. They will inspire and live far beyond this election. Every day Mr. Paul speaks, thousands more are enlightened. I know that many of us feel validated in our own selves when we see Mr. Paul being so damn wonderful in all his opportunities. We have a real hero on our hands and I just can't get enough of it.
Whereas attacks on Giuliani, McCain or Romney by name are only election efforts. These remarks make CNN pundits flutter, but they will not advance the cause of freedom. Dr. Paul is a class act, everyone knows it. He is patient. He never abuses his opportunities in the debates or media like Giuliani or McCain or the others. Dr. Ron Paul is quite simply a gentleman and tremendous role model. That kind of President may be an unknown experience in the modern era, but it's thrilling to know that in this moment in our lives, this 7 month window of opportunity, is a once in a generation opportunity. Each one of us must give until it hurts. Money. Letters to your local paper. Talk to co-workers. Your Mom, Dad, your adult kids. Don't be afraid. Be courageous. Attend Republican meetings. Affiliate Republican. Join the Republican Party. Embrace the process. Don't hate politics, enjoy it. We cannot be successful if we don't enjoy the struggle. The struggle for liberty is eternal, tyranny is never defeated, perhaps at best, routed for a time or two. This will be a contest that lasts our entire altogether too short lives, so you must love it to work it.
Dr. Paul's latest piece, The Price of Delaying The Inevitable in Iraq, released on Dr. Paul's own website yesterday, was brilliant. Every day Dr. Paul is alive is such a bonus to us all, don't you think?
in dealing with his adversaries. Dr. Paul is not going to attack with deserved vitriol like " Mr. Giuliani is an authoritarian who would scrap our freedoms and constitutional republic to be Generalissimo Rudolph."
Its going to be about issues and the nature of government and the Constitution, capital "C". Its going to be about ideas. And that is how it should be. The ideas are eternal. They will inspire and live far beyond this election. Every day Mr. Paul speaks, thousands more are enlightened. I know that many of us feel validated in our own selves when we see Mr. Paul being so damn wonderful in all his opportunities. We have a real hero on our hands and I just can't get enough of it.
Whereas attacks on Giuliani, McCain or Romney by name are only election efforts. These remarks make CNN pundits flutter, but they will not advance the cause of freedom. Dr. Paul is a class act, everyone knows it. He is patient. He never abuses his opportunities in the debates or media like Giuliani or McCain or the others. Dr. Ron Paul is quite simply a gentleman and tremendous role model. That kind of President may be an unknown experience in the modern era, but it's thrilling to know that in this moment in our lives, this 7 month window of opportunity, is a once in a generation opportunity. Each one of us must give until it hurts. Money. Letters to your local paper. Talk to co-workers. Your Mom, Dad, your adult kids. Don't be afraid. Be courageous. Attend Republican meetings. Affiliate Republican. Join the Republican Party. Embrace the process. Don't hate politics, enjoy it. We cannot be successful if we don't enjoy the struggle. The struggle for liberty is eternal, tyranny is never defeated, perhaps at best, routed for a time or two. This will be a contest that lasts our entire altogether too short lives, so you must love it to work it.
Dr. Paul's latest piece, The Price of Delaying The Inevitable in Iraq, released on Dr. Paul's own website yesterday, was brilliant. Every day Dr. Paul is alive is such a bonus to us all, don't you think?
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I just saw him on the Daily Show, which was taped yesterday I believe.
He came off as very charming, intelligent, with a good sense of humor. This will play well with lots of people I think. Too bad so few people will bother looking into what he stands for. A crying shame!
Let's get the word out!
He came off as very charming, intelligent, with a good sense of humor. This will play well with lots of people I think. Too bad so few people will bother looking into what he stands for. A crying shame!
Let's get the word out!
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The only thing I was confused about was his position on "don't ask, don't tell."
He said the issue of gays in the military shouldn't be an issue of homosexuality - if it is determined that certain acts, heterosexual or homosexual, are disruptive, then they should be delt with. But Don't Ask, Don't Tell deals specifically with homosexuality while ignoring any sort of heterosexual disruptiveness.
But he also said that the policy was "a decent policy."
Don't these two arguments counter each other?
Other than that he was great, though.
He said the issue of gays in the military shouldn't be an issue of homosexuality - if it is determined that certain acts, heterosexual or homosexual, are disruptive, then they should be delt with. But Don't Ask, Don't Tell deals specifically with homosexuality while ignoring any sort of heterosexual disruptiveness.
But he also said that the policy was "a decent policy."
Don't these two arguments counter each other?
Other than that he was great, though.
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The only thing I was confused about was his position on "don't ask, don't tell."
He said the issue of gays in the military shouldn't be an issue of homosexuality - if it is determined that certain acts, heterosexual or homosexual, are disruptive, then they should be delt with. But Don't Ask, Don't Tell deals specifically with homosexuality while ignoring any sort of heterosexual disruptiveness.
But he also said that the policy was "a decent policy."
Don't these two arguments counter each other?
Other than that he was great, though.
Disruptive behavior by individuals, regardless of orientation. I liked his answer but he could have mentioned that there is a double standard for gays in the military that is at odds with his point about treating people as individuals not as labels.
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1. He put his hands behind his back so as to hide his fidgeting. The good: no more fidgeting with his fingers. The bad: he looked scrawny and out of place.
2. He isn't skilled in answering concisely so he speaks too fast which causes him to stumble over his words and skip over important points in his train of thought.
3. He's not combative. Ron Paul's views were mainstream 210 years ago but are now radical. This makes Ron Paul a revolutionary. But have you ever seen a revolutionary be so calm, so reluctant to take people on, and so grandfatherly? He needs to provoke the other candidates. To throw their voting records in their faces. To confront with facts. To get ANGRY and speak directly to the American people and tell them how this government establishment is betraying their trust.
He looks like a professor instead of a President.
2. He isn't skilled in answering concisely so he speaks too fast which causes him to stumble over his words and skip over important points in his train of thought.
3. He's not combative. Ron Paul's views were mainstream 210 years ago but are now radical. This makes Ron Paul a revolutionary. But have you ever seen a revolutionary be so calm, so reluctant to take people on, and so grandfatherly? He needs to provoke the other candidates. To throw their voting records in their faces. To confront with facts. To get ANGRY and speak directly to the American people and tell them how this government establishment is betraying their trust.
He looks like a professor instead of a President.
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It sucks that CNN didn't bring it up themselves, but Paul and Guliani have had words - and when Paul was given the chance to talk about the war he should of turned and confronted Guliani about his ignorance in the last debate and ask for an apology again.
We didn't gain any further traction. His line about freedom from a barrel of a gun was great, but since it wasn't confrontational it is being ignored.
He was confrontational about Iran at the end - but they didn't fight back this time. They are back to ignoring him again and he allowed it.
We didn't gain any further traction. His line about freedom from a barrel of a gun was great, but since it wasn't confrontational it is being ignored.
He was confrontational about Iran at the end - but they didn't fight back this time. They are back to ignoring him again and he allowed it.
Maybe, but this is a great line.
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doctors and lawyers both use speaking as a vital part of their jobs. of course, both have a different manner of speaking. doctors are best speaking honestly in a personal, relaxed setting, while lawyers are best speaking in a persuasive way that plays well to a group. that's what sets ron apart, he has 'bedside manner.' you can see in 1-1 in person conversations, he does best.
i think libertarians by design shun formality, so the rigid formats of these debates make him awkward. i'm hoping he gets on more talk shows where he can have a 1-1 conversation. that's where he's best. his cool, calm demeanor shined with jon stewart, and that should translate to other late night hosts as well.
as for things he should bring up, i really wish he'd talk about his experience as a flight surgeon. sadly, neocon rhetoric paints him as one who hates the troops. if he says that he served as well, that should help shut people like hannity up.
i think libertarians by design shun formality, so the rigid formats of these debates make him awkward. i'm hoping he gets on more talk shows where he can have a 1-1 conversation. that's where he's best. his cool, calm demeanor shined with jon stewart, and that should translate to other late night hosts as well.
as for things he should bring up, i really wish he'd talk about his experience as a flight surgeon. sadly, neocon rhetoric paints him as one who hates the troops. if he says that he served as well, that should help shut people like hannity up.
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You bring up some great talking points, but the fate of Bin Laden is up in there air. It seems as though a video is released every so often of Bin Laden once fear or support for our decider starts to wane...
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Less war, more civil liberties
I am honestly a little tired about discussing the war. I think nearly everyone agrees that that we need to get out, and even if they don't we all pretty much know where they all stand. I know that they had to discuss the topics at hand, but I want to hear about the mismanagement of the government, the Patriot act, the banking system, and nearly everything else. A big thing I heard about recently is that McCain is he's supporting, or maybe sponsoring a bill to tax the internet. That right there would make most people that use the Internet to think twice about McCain... at least I'd like to think it would. Guilani is such a hypocrite, while mayor he passed a law that forbid police to inquire about someone's immigration status. Now he's the great protector. Well Romney, he's so smooth that he could convince me to buy a Ford...
My concern is that the war is nothing more than a talking point and there is nothing to be gained by discussing it anymore, or at least to the point that it was brought up tonight. Our civil liberties though are fading so fast that we can't keep track of what we've actually lost.
IMO
I am honestly a little tired about discussing the war. I think nearly everyone agrees that that we need to get out, and even if they don't we all pretty much know where they all stand. I know that they had to discuss the topics at hand, but I want to hear about the mismanagement of the government, the Patriot act, the banking system, and nearly everything else. A big thing I heard about recently is that McCain is he's supporting, or maybe sponsoring a bill to tax the internet. That right there would make most people that use the Internet to think twice about McCain... at least I'd like to think it would. Guilani is such a hypocrite, while mayor he passed a law that forbid police to inquire about someone's immigration status. Now he's the great protector. Well Romney, he's so smooth that he could convince me to buy a Ford...
My concern is that the war is nothing more than a talking point and there is nothing to be gained by discussing it anymore, or at least to the point that it was brought up tonight. Our civil liberties though are fading so fast that we can't keep track of what we've actually lost.
IMO
