Missouri governor orders National Guard to Ferguson after latest night of clashes

[Brian4Liberty]

Possibly practicing civil disobedience over a curfew?

Sure. Some of them. Fits into the "confront the Police" category. Not something a family would want to be doing at that time of night though.

 

[PRB]

Watch this:

40 years ago? hearing about it won't teach much, sadly, not for this generation.

 

[SeanTX]

Well if this is any example in a small scale, what I'm seeing in a worst case scenario that the police would fold quickly, National Guard most likely won't be enough to deal with multiple flash points even in a single state so that means mobilizing regular army and declaring martial law fairly quickly.

Look at how they have reacted in this situation, just having ONE bottle tossed at them is enough to send them into mad minute mode, firing off huge volleys of tear gas into a (mostly) peaceful crowd. That and hearing fireworks go off (I'm sure they have taken some real gunfire, but not as much as they would have you believe). Then the looters take advantage of the confusion to get busy.

Some of their reaction to minimal threats (like one bottle) is just a result of their "because we can and because it's fun" attitude, and some of it is just plain old cowardice. They are not used to having even the least little bit of opposition. In a situation like this you can't count on them to protect you, because their main interest is in circling the wagons to protect themselves (and perhaps their corporate masters , WalMart has gotten first class protection during all of this).

I've seen some people commend them on how "restrained" they've been -- the only restraint they've shown is in not using live ammo (as of yet, though they are threatening it by aiming rifles at peaceful protestors during the day).

 

[XNavyNuke]

I fail to see a difference between the police and the N.G. Same weapons, same vehicles, same uniforms and gear, same tactics. What will deploying the N.G. do that a militarized police force is incapable of?

Tis true today but wasn't always the case. If you look at the cops involved in the 1957 riots in Little Rock you see a .38 revolver and a billy. Hummed to the Sesame Street tune "One of these things is not like the others......"

(The other three picts are 101st in Little Rock, LEOs in Ferguson, and Alabama Guard MP's in Mosul)

XNN

https://www.flickr.com/photos/68792650@N08/14964979505/sizes/o/in/photostream/ Full size

 

[Lucille]

I'll just put this here.

Under What Conditions Can The US Army Engage American Citizens: The Army's "Civil Disturbances" Primer
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-...can-citizens-armys-civil-disturbances-?page=3

With events in Ferguson deteriorating from day to day, despite the arrival of the Missouri National Guard, some have asked what further escalation steps are possible.

As a reminder, the reason Missouri governor Jay Nixon resorted to the aid of the National Guard is due to the limitations imposed by the Posse Comitatus Act which, broadly, seeks to limit the powers of Federal government in using federal military personnel, i.e., the Armed Forces of the United States, to enforce state laws. The Act does not apply to the National Guard, nor to the US Coast Guard, although the former will likely not see much practical use in Missouri.

However, as usually happens, there are loopholes and the best place to uncover these is in a 132-page primer conveniently released by none other than the US Army back on April 21, known simply as ATP 3-39.33 "Civil Disturbances." The primer begins with the umbrella statement:

Civil unrest may range from simple, nonviolent protests that address specific issues, to events that turn into full-scale riots. Gathering in protest may be a recognized right of any person or group, regardless of where U.S. forces may be operating. In the United States, this fundamental right is protected under the Constitution of the United States...

"Protected" it may be, but as usual, the interpretation of the Constitution is in the eye of the beholder, or more appropriately, gun holder.

Because shortly thereafter we further read the following:

The Constitution of the United States, laws, regulations, policies, and other legal issues limit the use of federal military personnel in domestic support operations. Any Army involvement in civil disturbance operations involves many legal issues requiring comprehensive legal reviews. However, federal forces are authorized for use in civil disturbance operations under certain circumstances.

What circumstances? For the answer we turn to section, 2-8, whose provisions may soon become applicable to Ferguson and/or other municipal regions, should the rioting in the St. Louis suburb escalate further. To wit:
[...]
In other words, if and when the US Armed Forces decide that rioting infringes upon any of these exclusions, then the constitution no longer applies and the use of lethal force becomes a viable option against US citizens.

It gets worse, because whereas one would expect that a "Constitutional expert" such as the president, Barack Obama would be the one tasked with interpreting if and when the Constitution no longer applies, the primer is quite explicit in handing over responsibility to "federal military commanders":

... federal military commanders have the authority, in extraordinary emergency circumstances where prior authorization by the President is impossible and duly constituted local authorities are unable to control the situation, to engage temporarily in activities that are necessary to quell large-scale, unexpected civil disturbance.

So should Obama resume his vacation even as things in Missouri escalate dramatically, and be "unreachable", it may well come to pass that Obama's opinion will be irrelevant not only whether the National Guard should be unleashed in Ferguson, but whether Posse Comitatus is suddenly null and void.

The good news: the use of lethal force is not the only option the US Army would have if and when it engages with the population. US citizens may simply be herded into "temporary internment camps" for reindoctrination purposes under the supervision of PSYOP Officer (no really, they used that word), as follows from the Army's FM3-39.40 "Internment and Resettlment Operations" manual:
[...]
In other words, if and when the time comes to "override" Posse Comitatus, random US citizens may have two options: i) end up in the US version of a Gulag or, worse, ii) be shot.

10 USC 333: "When a state cannot or will not protect the constitutional rights of the citizens, due to domestic violence or conspiracy to hinder execution of State or Federal law, the use of the militia or Armed Forces is authorized."

Obviously that one isn't taken seriously.

 

[XNavyNuke]

I'll just put this here.

Under What Conditions Can The US Army Engage American Citizens: The Army's "Civil Disturbances" Primer
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-...can-citizens-armys-civil-disturbances-?page=3


10 USC 333: "When a state cannot or will not protect the constitutional rights of the citizens, due to domestic violence or conspiracy to hinder execution of State or Federal law, the use of the militia or Armed Forces is authorized."

Obviously that one isn't taken seriously.

Thanks for the link!
XNN

 

[devil21]

Ferguson resident video here claiming protestors are being paid to continue and even escalate to bring on a "lockdown" scenario in STL. Other forums are looking into whether this has been intentionally turned into a staged martial law exercise and some interesting connections/information has been uncovered. I won't post links to other forums directly but Ill forward links of the research to anyone that wants it, just PM me.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=776287602391943&set=vb.100000321323537&type=2&theater

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

I've heard of the school. Not sure what incident you're talking about.

Same shit, different decade...



It's too bad the public fool system has largely dumped civics and history in favor of political correctness and sensitivity training...

-t

 

[osan]

Posse commiwhattis?

Hellfire! We gots t'keep them niggrah's under control. Them boy's is goin' all apey up'r in Ferguson.