Minnesota Cafe Charges “Minimum Wage Fee,” Liberals Outraged

[DamianTV]

Wait until $2 per meal Obamacare fee hits...

Wanna see what happens to the cost of Employment? Just wait until everything is "Free".

 

[parocks]

Oasis thinks it can get away with transparency.

Seems like they're being asholes.

There's always been a minimum wage. Are they breaking out every cost? Or just the ones they don't like?
What are their energy costs, what about their rent? How much do those beers you sell actually cost you? Oh, no, one aspect of one cost went up 10%, for the first time in 10 years. Best be an ashole about it.

 

[Carson]

Minnesota Cafe Charges “Minimum Wage Fee,” Liberals Outraged

"Minnesota Cafe Charges “Minimum Wage Fee,” Liberals Outraged" as so should be Conservatives.

At least about the cheesy minimum wage that is.

It doesn't make a difference which pigeon hole you been stuffed into, everyone working for an hourly wage should be mad as hell and not taking it any more.

Instead we are butt kissing and bending over backwards to keep our jobs that barely cover the cost of working. You can't really blame your employer as they have been righteously ripped off as well.

I'm thinking I'm remembering $1.18, $1.35 and $1.80 in the sixties and seventies. The lowlifes have allowed the the devaluation of the dollar by around 34 times. That would make a minimum wage comparable for today at about $45.90 an hour.

 

[DamianTV]

Seems like they're being asholes.

There's always been a minimum wage. Are they breaking out every cost? Or just the ones they don't like?
What are their energy costs, what about their rent? How much do those beers you sell actually cost you? Oh, no, one aspect of one cost went up 10%, for the first time in 10 years. Best be an ashole about it.

Could it be the price of Gas?

Gas went up by at least 3 times. These costs are also passed along to consumers. Products need to be shipped and to ship those products, it takes just as much Gas but with that same Gas at a much higher price.

And for the record, no, there has not always been a Minimum Wage. Minimum Wages were not required when we had a truly Free Market solution to correct wages that are either too high or too low. Without a truly Free Market, Minimum Wage Laws become a "necessary evil" as expressed by some.

 

[parocks]

I believe that you are overreacting. Putting a list of fees on tickets and passing the cost on to consumers directly is strange at best, and creates an ‘us against them’ mentality while ordering dinner.

There seems to be this theory that people don't understand that the price of a thing is dependent on the prices of the other things that are needed to make the original thing.

"These people don't understand economics. They're stupid. They need to be educated."

No. People understand that if labor costs go up, prices will go up. There's always been a minimum wage, and it always goes up. What did this guy do the last time the minimum wage went up? What the F is his problem?

Gas prices doubled in a short period of time. 100%. That wacks up the price of everything. "I'm too pathetic a business owner that I can't just deal with a periodic labor cost hike. I'm completely flummoxed. But we all know that the prices off all the inputs are changing all the time, usually going up. Gasoline went from around $2 in 2007 to over $4 in 2008. In 2008 the price fell to a low of $1.61. And gas prices went up to $3.50 in 2011 and they've stayed there ever since. Those are major, major changes. People get that the prices of inputs change.

 

[mad cow]

"Minnesota Cafe Charges “Minimum Wage Fee,” Liberals Outraged" as so should be Conservatives.

At least about the cheesy minimum wage that is.

It doesn't make a difference which pigeon hole you been stuffed into, everyone working for an hourly wage should be mad as hell and not taking it any more.

Instead we are butt kissing and bending over backwards to keep our jobs that barely cover the cost of working. You can't really blame your employer as they have been righteously ripped off as well.

I'm thinking I'm remembering $1.18, $1.35 and $1.80 in the sixties and seventies. The lowlifes have allowed the the devaluation of the dollar by around 34 times. That would make a minimum wage comparable for today at about $45.90 an hour.

Hogwash.

The minimum wage had its highest purchasing value ever in 1968, when it was $1.60 per hour ($10.79 in 2014 dollars[103]).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_States

 

[parocks]

Could it be the price of Gas?

Gas went up by at least 3 times. These costs are also passed along to consumers. Products need to be shipped and to ship those products, it takes just as much Gas but with that same Gas at a much higher price.

And for the record, no, there has not always been a Minimum Wage. Minimum Wages were not required when we had a truly Free Market solution to correct wages that are either too high or too low. Without a truly Free Market, Minimum Wage Laws become a "necessary evil" as expressed by some.

Right, what I mean is that in the life of these businesses. The Min wage is not new. The people running these business never ran a business under no minimum wage conditions. I wrote a long post dealing with gas, I didn't see this one.

When the government takes half your money, you don't live in a free market. If the government stopped taking half your money, people would have demand, and people would supply it, and supplying it increases the demand for labor, so wages'll go up. But the government, who took half your money, is spending your money outside of the stores you shop at.

Point is, min wage doesn't effect the free market. We don't have one. Things work great when we have a free market. No laws required. But we're so far away from a free market that things we don't like can't be seen as interfering with the operations of a free market because the free market doesn't exist.

 

[parocks]

Hogwash.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_States

I don't trust government statistics, but 45 seems high

It would be interesting to look at a wide range of prices for various things instead of using government stats.

 

[mad cow]

I don't trust government statistics, but 45 seems high

It would be interesting to look at a wide range of prices for various things instead of using government stats.

By 1968,I had already left school,left home and put my 8th grade education on the market.
This of course resulted in many minimum wage jobs over the years brought up by Carson.

It was not equivalent to $367 a day or $1836 for a 40 hour week or $95,472 a year,without working any overtime no less,in 2014 dollars by any stretch.

Maybe if I bought nothing but gold coins.

 

[Origanalist]

I don't trust government statistics, but 45 seems high

It would be interesting to look at a wide range of prices for various things instead of using government stats.

mad cow has it 100% right.

 

[oyarde]

I like it!He should do this for every Government mandated cost he bears.

Charge $1.00 for a hamburger then tack on OSHA,FDA,FICA,EEOC,EPA,ADA,and on and on and on fees to the receipt until it totals the $5.00 or whatever it is he has to sell it for to make a profit and stay in business.

Fuckin A , I would list a burger for 99 cents then run it up to slightly just less than airport price .

 

[oyarde]

Seems like they're being asholes.

There's always been a minimum wage. Are they breaking out every cost? Or just the ones they don't like?
What are their energy costs, what about their rent? How much do those beers you sell actually cost you? Oh, no, one aspect of one cost went up 10%, for the first time in 10 years. Best be an ashole about it.

Good idea , but I already thought of it , tag on the govt mandated increase in coal electric costs

 

[LibertyEagle]

It's surprising though how many people don't realize that. Yesterday morning, a caller on C-Span's Washington Journal was all upset about gas taxes in that she thought they should be spread around to everyone; not just to drivers. Her argument was that everyone benefited from roads, so they should be taxed too. She didn't seem to realize that businesses passed on all those fees to the consumer when they purchased products.

 

[nobody's_hero]

He is adding 35c to each meal tab regardless of how much service the patron used. The same fee is charged to a party of 10 who occupies 2 tables and ends up staying for 1hr as a person who just buys a bottle of water and walks out immediately. This is obviously his attempt to complain about the new minimum wage, he obviously hasn't done the calculations before coming out with his new fees.

Not necessarily. The employee has to be paid an hourly wage whether you order a cup of coffee or a five course meal. And also, whether there are a hundred customers in the restaurant or 0, that wage still has to be met.

Edit: Didn't see it at the time of posting but Occam's_Banana beat me to it.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Making customers pay for what they buy? Weeiiird.

 

[juleswin]

Not necessarily. The employee has to be paid an hourly wage whether you order a cup of coffee or a five course meal. And also, whether there are a hundred customers in the restaurant or 0, that wage still has to be met.

Edit: Didn't see it at the time of posting but Occam's_Banana beat me to it.

Just imagine going to an auto shop with your friend, you are there for an oil change and he is there for a transmission change and after paying for parts and fluid disposal fees, the shop charges you 2 the same for labor. Now answer me this question, is this an auto shop you will likely go to next time you want to get your oil changed? or maybe just any repairs that is not major?

I think its more than fair for him to pass on the cost to the customers cos I know restaurants have a pretty low profit margin and they can barely survive any significant increase in cost but you got to figure out a better way to divie up the extra cost among your customers and doing it per ticket regardless of how much spent sucks.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Not necessarily. The employee has to be paid an hourly wage whether you order a cup of coffee or a five course meal. And also, whether there are a hundred customers in the restaurant or 0, that wage still has to be met.

Edit: Didn't see it at the time of posting but Occam's_Banana beat me to it.

Well, if you just buy a coffee you aren't taking up an hour of the employees time. More like a minute. So, juleswin does have a point. But, ultimately, its a free market and the Cafe can do what it wants. I tend to agree, personally, that a percentage would be better, but I like the idea behind what the Cafe is doing, which is to actually inform its customers that rising prices are the government's fault.

 

[Carson]

I don't trust government statistics, but 45 seems high

It would be interesting to look at a wide range of prices for various things instead of using government stats.

It seems high as well to me. I'm hung up on how much the devaluation of the dollar shows in Robert Sahr's chart below AND the way it is backed up by the rising Dow Jones Industrial average. The money is in play somewhere out there and we really need to watch out. I'm thinking we are being took like never before in the history of man kind.

I think part of the problem of trying to track such things is getting a big picture of just how much the counterfeiters are are making off with.

While you have us looking at our little lives and little bills they seem to me to be able to manipulate the appearance of our economy remaining somewhat stable.

At the same time their economy is raping and pillaging behind the scenes.

While we are watching out for the tiny pile of stuff in our personal control much of the rest of our wealth that was once held in trust for all of us is finding the way into the other economies pile of things.

How do you figure the value of your cash when the counterfeiting allows its value to be manipulated so easily? While you and your friends may decide to do something with your money for your mutual benefit there are others that can print up what ever it takes to get their way. It might not be so easy to see just how much value you lost but as long as others can fire up the fake money presses the value of your money will be worth less.

We are working our way down the road of life and by the time we get where we are going we are finding the destination has been bought out from under us. How do you put a price on being looted on the road for a lifetime?


Anyway $45.90 might seem high but my figures show that's an honest minimum wage if the wages of the sixties ever were. That is the power a man should be receiving if he gave up the occupation he's worked a lifetime learning and packed it up to try something as starting wage in a new field.

Anyway that is certainly the power we've lost over the years.

More power to the restaurant owner doing what he wanted in the original post. It is such a tiny gesture in the big scheme of things.

I noticed the prices at a barbecue place I go to went up. I ask the guy if the workers were getting anything out of it. Once he figured out what I was talking about he perked up and said, "Actually we do!".

Seemed like a good thing to me. Maybe someday I'll get off my ass and do something about pulling myself up a little.

Or just say Phuckit.

 

[Lucille]

This Seattle parking garage does it too:

 

[Brian4Liberty]

I like it!He should do this for every Government mandated cost he bears.

Charge $1.00 for a hamburger then tack on OSHA,FDA,FICA,EEOC,EPA,ADA,and on and on and on fees to the receipt until it totals the $5.00 or whatever it is he has to sell it for to make a profit and stay in business.

Yeah, this whole kerfuffle seems to be over how much to itemize a bill. The medical industry is pretty good at that. Everyone's restaurant bill should look like a hospital bill. Ten pages of overpriced, itemized details that totals to $60,000, and then a place where it says "your deductible is $1000, praise Obama!")