Military Warns Active Duty, Reservists, and Retirees Not To March for Ron Paul on 20 Feb.

Can anyone now deny that the government is in collusion against Ron Paul? Why else would the DOD be so worried about this march? There is not a republican in the white house and these people are just marching for a peaceful purpose, to show the military's solidarity for Ron Paul, why is that a threat?

Because it's military personnel are limited in what they can do politically (see my previous post), just as they are limited in many other ways. This is something all military people are aware of (or should be aware of, at least).
 
Also the anti-federalists lost out, whether you like it or not. The federalists (Madison, Hamilton and Jay) made their arguments and won out in the end.

I am well aware of that fact, much to my sadness.

Doesn't mean that they did not turn out to be right, after all.
 
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And that statement shall be made, by Military, via public rally in favor of an opposing Commander in Chief?

Isn't it made public, that more military personnel support Ron Paul than any other candidate? Doesn't that show opposing the Commander-in-Chief?



Check the Operating Instructions.



The men and women in the military aren't inanimate objects, they are U.S. citizens and they, too, have unalienable rights just like the rest of us. After all we are told over and over again, they are fighting for our freedom, correct? So they fight for our freedom in some foreign land and yet at home their freedoms get taken away? Of course if you tell a lie big enough and long enough people will believe it...so the quote goes.



Article I, Section 8 says the Congress shall regulate the Army and Navy and militias. It does not say they can dictate or take away any of their unalienable rights. Unalienable rights are rights that cannot be bartered, contracted or taken away. They have a right to peaceably assemble, to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

And it Artilce I, Section 8 says:
"To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress..."




Military code, is not the supreme law of the land. A code is not a law, it is the color of law:

"Color" means "An appearance, semblance, or simulacrum, as distinguished from that which is real. A prima facia or apparent right. Hence, a deceptive appearance, a plausible, assumed exterior, concealing a lack of reality; a disguise or pretext. See also colorable." Black's Law Dictionary, 5th Edition, on page 240.

"Colorable" means "That which is in appearance only, and not in reality, what it purports to be, hence counterfeit feigned, having the appearance of truth." Windle v. Flinn, 196 Or. 654, 251 P.2d 136, 146.

"Color of Law" means "The appearance or semblance, without the substance, of legal right. Misuse of power, possessed by virtue of state law and made possible only because wrongdoer is clothed with authority of state is action taken under 'color of law.'" Atkins v. Lanning. D.C.Okl., 415 F. Supp. 186, 188.



"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

"Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star", 149
May 7, 1918
 
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Can anyone now deny that the government is in collusion against Ron Paul? Why else would the DOD be so worried about this march? There is not a republican in the white house and these people are just marching for a peaceful purpose, to show the military's solidarity for Ron Paul, why is that a threat?

I thought that at first but I think they are more concerned about the appearance of a coup. Gallup approval for Congress/President isn't that good, but approval for the military is like 80 or 90%.
 
O.K. So. Active duty and Retirees are warned off of a protest about our government policies. However, Active duty military are allowed to appear in a movie that promotes the current regimes policies. Um-Hmmmmm..

Act of Valor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_of_Valor


An unprecedented blend of real-life heroism and original filmmaking, Act of Valor stars a group of active-duty U.S. Navy SEALs in a film like no other in Hollywood's history. A fictionalized account of real life Navy SEAL operations, Act of Valor features a gripping story that takes audiences on an adrenaline-fueled, edge-of-their-seat journey. When a mission to recover a kidnapped CIA operative unexpectedly results in the discovery of an imminent, terrifying global threat, an elite team of highly trained Navy SEALs must immediately embark on a heart-stopping secret operation, the outcome of which will determine the fate of us all. Act of Valor combines stunning combat sequences, up-to-the-minute battlefield technology, and heart-pumping emotion for the ultimate action adventure film-showcasing the skills, training and tenacity of the greatest action heroes of them all: real Navy SEALs
 
You can contract rights away, which is what happens when you sign up.
 
You can contract rights away, which is what happens when you sign up.

“A free people claims their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as a gift from their chief magistrate.”
~Thomas Jefferson

"Unalienable: incapable of being alienated, that is, sold and transferred." Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, page 1523.

This Unalienable Right gives all individuals the liberty to voluntarily enter into contract with any other individual or group of individuals, so long as there is agreement as to the terms of the contract by all parties involved, and so long as the contractual agreement does not violate another individual’s Unalienable Rights.
 
“A free people claims their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as a gift from their chief magistrate.”
~Thomas Jefferson

"Unalienable: incapable of being alienated, that is, sold and transferred." Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, page 1523.

This Unalienable Right gives all individuals the liberty to voluntarily enter into contract with any other individual or group of individuals, so long as there is agreement as to the terms of the contract by all parties involved, and so long as the contractual agreement does not violate another individual’s Unalienable Rights.

The soldier is contractually promising not to engage in certain activities, I don't see this as transferring or selling something to someone else to use (in this case a previous right).

Voluntary (job) vs. involuntary servitude (slavery).
 
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I am well aware of that fact, much to my sadness.

Doesn't mean that they did not turn out to right, after all.

It also doesn't mean that we can't still defeat the Federalists ... or at least amend the Constitution to include explicitly what the Feds can not do.
 
Military Warns Active Duty, Reservists, and Retirees Not To March for Ron Paul

Posted by Karen Kwiatkowski on February 17, 2012 08:23 PM

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/105961.html

Adam Kokesh has a copy of a letter sent by the Navy's legal beagles warning all of us not to attend the Veterans for Ron Paul March in DC on February 20th. I'm attending this march, and I expect many of us will be represented there. The military requires us to take an oath to defend and support the Constitution, but God forbid we be seen actually supporting the one presidential candidate who lives by that code, and honestly believes in that oath. Of course, Adam correctly thanked the Pentagon for helping to get the word out about the rally — and they didn't mention the after-party, but it sounds magnificent.




http://www.adamvstheman.com/blog/us-military-issues-warning-to-ron-paul-supporters

What a load of nonsense. Individual support of a candidate by military personnel does not imply official armed-services support for that candidate. DoD is clearly trying to squelch support for a candidate whose presidency they fear will spoil their pathetic little party.

I recommend the people go in uniform with their faces obscured. What will DoD do, stop and search them? I'd go in uniform and be certain to spray paint my middle fingers dayglo orange, to be proudly displayed for those foul traitors whose contempt for us all is without fathom.

The time to stand and be counted is not coming. It is here and now. It is every day. Time to get that through people's heads and time for those heads to pop out of their respective sphincters. The time is upon us to defiantly tell the man to step off. Time to draw the bright line in the sand that says "no further". All this, or bend over and dare not utter a peep when something very large, very dry, and very thorny gets rammed in a place never intended for such things.

If you choose liberty then you must be prepared to show it, stand for it, be counted to it, and accept the consequences. I repeat what bears repetition: each and every breathing soul in these United States will make the choice between freedom and slavery. The only question remaining is whether they will choose as men or as cowards waiting idly on the sidelines to see who wins the day. Such people as the latter I will not elevate by calling them my fellows. They are as nothing to me and if ever push comes to shove I will waste no effort defending them but will much rather gain some small satisfaction if I find they have met ill and ignominious fates for they deserve nothing better than this.

Those who would thwart freedom out of their good intentions are no better than those who do so out of malice. It is up to us to stop them lest we otherwise resign many generations of our posterity to slavery and oppression. If that seems acceptable to you for any reason whatsoever, then by all means do absolutely nothing.

Otherwise, cut the shit and stand tall, come what may. It is this they fear more than anything when done in vast numbers, done bravely, and done in resolute defiance of that which is objectively wrong. Put up or shut up. Shit or get off the damned pot. Time is up.
 
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Otherwise, cut the shit and stand tall, come what may. It is this they fear more than anything when done in vast numbers, done bravely, and done in resolute defiance of that which is objectively wrong. Put up or shut up. Shit or get off the damned pot. Time is up.

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The letter clearly does NOT say what the title indicates.

It says ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY should not march (which is true).

It says that Reservists and Retirees can march, as long as they don't indicate that they are representing the military- no big deal- as long as they don't wear their uniform, they will be fine.

All other veterans (this is probably the largest group, btw) are free to march with no restrictions.

The letter says essentially the same thing that I said in the thread when Adam first mentioned the march- it's not some sort of "anti- Ron Paul" campaign, it's just stating military rules.

That's just like gutting the audit the fed bill and then saying, "Sure, now that you can't audit the fed, go ahead and "audit" the fed."

This isn't about coloring between the lines, it's about splashing paint all over them to expose the state.
 
I think people might be missing a point. None of this discussion holds any weight, when the government doesn't also participate on their end of the deal to honor their Oath to Office, Protect the Constitution, etc.

I see no legal obligation to stand down from the Rally, while the Government simultaneously contradicts it themselves. Regardless of any signature, service, etc.
 
It's sleeting on top of freezing rain here in NC. Travel is going to be problematic. :(

What time is this thing going down? If I have to leave before noon it may be a no-go. :( :(
 
It's sleeting on top of freezing rain here in NC. Travel is going to be problematic. :(

What time is this thing going down? If I have to leave before noon it may be a no-go. :( :(

Shouldn't have to worry too much Glen. It came through fast, about 1 hr, west of you and left behind a third of an inch.
 
I like how a lot of people here claim to be constitutionalists and the like, but completely ignore Article I, Section 8, Clause 14.

How does that give the authority to strip them of their First Amendment rights? Would it also be fine to require that they all become Mormons? Or to legislate that they can't participate in the Mormon religion?
 
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A man in the military can't exercise his right to free speech and support a political candidate of his choice.

But it's perfectly OK to that same man to be used like this:

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My beef as well. Note how W. Douche isn't in a uniform so all is well and legal...:rolleyes::mad:

Consistant should be consistant. GRRRRRRRRRRRR
 
Shouldn't have to worry too much Glen. It came through fast, about 1 hr, west of you and left behind a third of an inch.

It says 4.5 hours roughly. I'd have to leave around 6AM and I still don't know where to park :p

I'm gonna try for it, dunno if I'm gonna make it though.
 
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