Military Warns Active Duty, Reservists, and Retirees Not To March for Ron Paul on 20 Feb.

[Anti Federalist]

Military Warns Active Duty, Reservists, and Retirees Not To March for Ron Paul

Posted by Karen Kwiatkowski on February 17, 2012 08:23 PM

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/105961.html

Adam Kokesh has a copy of a letter sent by the Navy's legal beagles warning all of us not to attend the Veterans for Ron Paul March in DC on February 20th. I'm attending this march, and I expect many of us will be represented there. The military requires us to take an oath to defend and support the Constitution, but God forbid we be seen actually supporting the one presidential candidate who lives by that code, and honestly believes in that oath. Of course, Adam correctly thanked the Pentagon for helping to get the word out about the rally — and they didn't mention the after-party, but it sounds magnificent.

—–Original Message—–
From: Weger, Joel A CIV OGC, Ethics [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 8:17
To: [email protected]
Subject: [ETHICS] Partisan Political March
Importance: High

It has come to our attention that a partisan political march targeting
military personnel is being organized for February 20, 2012. See link
below:

http://www.facebook.com/events/192677970828185/?ref=notif&notif_t=event_invite

As a reminder, active duty personnel are prohibited by DoD Directive 1344.10
paragraph 4.1.2.10 from marching in a partisan political parade regardless
of whether they are in uniform or civilian clothes. Reservists not on
active duty and retirees may not march in uniform pursuant to paragraph
4.1.4. Reservists not on active duty and retirees may march in civilian
clothes provided that they do not otherwise act in a manner that could
reasonably give rise to the inference or appearance of official sponsorship,
approval, or endorsement.

The directive is a lawful general regulation. Violations of paragraphs 4.1.
through 4.5. of the Directive by persons subject to the Uniform Code of
Military Justice are punishable under Article 92, “Failure to Obey Order or
Regulation.”

In addition, DODI 1334.01, paragraph 3.1.2 prohibits the wearing of the
uniform by members of the armed forces (including retired members and
members of reserve components) during or in connection with political
activities.

You may wish to advise your command regarding this particular event because
of the apparent solicitation of active duty personnel.

Joel A. Weger
Senior Attorney
Department of the Navy
Office of the Assistant General Counsel (Ethics)
703.614.XXXX

http://www.adamvstheman.com/blog/us-military-issues-warning-to-ron-paul-supporters

 

[AFPVet]

Active Duty and Reservists can be punished for violating the UCMJ (Article 92) and DoD Directives; while Retired personnel can have their pensions under review. Perhaps this should only include veterans who are not contractually bound by the UCMJ under IRR.

 

[satchelmcqueen]

bump for fucking insane.

 

[ryanmkeisling]

Can anyone now deny that the government is in collusion against Ron Paul? Why else would the DOD be so worried about this march? There is not a republican in the white house and these people are just marching for a peaceful purpose, to show the military's solidarity for Ron Paul, why is that a threat?

 

[kmalm585]

To be honest, I'd be worried if the Military just went along with this. It's makes sense to me that the Military can not be seen as picking/choosing one political figure over another. It can set a bad precedent and be viewed as a Military Coup of sorts. I'm fine with this and if you want to march, make sure you are able to and not in uniform.

 

[Ranger29860]

Figures a civilian would make an email like that without actually reading the DOD directive.

http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/134410p.pdf

AND I QUOTE !

"It is DoD policy to encourage members of the Armed Forces (hereafter referred to as
“members”) (including members on active duty, members of the Reserve Components not on
active duty, members of the National Guard even when in a non-Federal status, and retired
members) to carry out the obligations of citizenship. In keeping with the traditional concept that
members on active duty should not engage in partisan political activity, and that members not on
active duty should avoid inferences that their political activities imply or appear to imply official
sponsorship, approval, or endorsement, the following policy shall apply: "

Key words to look at here . "Encourage" , "concept" , "Should" , "should Avoid"

All this is is a general guide on what a soldier can do to stay clear away from the breaking the rule line.

You can tell its a complete joke because if you take all of it the way that guy did you would not beable to go to a ron paul rally if you have ever served in the military or even any government job.

 

[phill4paul]

LOL. Silly fellows. The military taught me the life lesson "I will not work for those I would not hire."

 

[Anti Federalist]

LOL. Silly fellows. The military taught me the life lesson "I will not work for those I would not hire."

Never Again Volunteer Yourself.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

Military should realize they defend real Americans, the US Constitution, and our land... NOT a bunch of Banker/Corporate appointed puppets that mascarade as so-called leaders or the facade of an honest governmental system. Those political sociopaths, keep the fascist machine going while they are allowed to enrich themselves and their families/friends through robbery of the American taxpayers.

It's become a bunch of hoodlums with incredible financial backing and propaganda to control the people's defenders.

 

[evadmurd]

GI = government issue = government property = screwed

 

[Anti Federalist]

A man in the military can't exercise his right to free speech and support a political candidate of his choice.

But it's perfectly OK to that same man to be used like this:

Can anyone now deny that the government is in collusion against Ron Paul? Why else would the DOD be so worried about this march? There is not a republican in the white house and these people are just marching for a peaceful purpose, to show the military's solidarity for Ron Paul, why is that a threat?

 

[AFPVet]

A man in the military can't exercise his right to free speech and support a political candidate of his choice.

But it's perfectly OK to that same man to be used like this:

Yeah... it isn't right. The military is a hierarchy and officers can create orders which cover anything they want. If it's not against the UCMJ, they can make it so by Article 92. It sucks... I am glad that I am no longer contractually bound by the UCMJ and not drawing any pensions.

 

[SCOTUSman]

How can you guys complain when people willfully and voluntarily sign a contract. Nobody forced them to join or sign. Libertarians believe in contracts.

 

[phill4paul]

Never Again Volunteer Yourself.

double-down.

 

[phill4paul]

How can you guys complain when people willfully and voluntarily sign a contract. Nobody forced them to join or sign. Libertarians believe in contracts.

I'm a vet. I received a quite abbreviated copy of the UCMJ AFTER I signed the papers. Nobody forced me to join. Or sign. I was not provided the full contract terms prior to signing. At least in the '80's. I don't know what they do now.

 

[Squid]

PO

The amount of military hate in this thread is disgusting.

 

[Ranger29860]

I'm a vet. I received a quite abbreviated copy of the UCMJ AFTER I signed the papers. Nobody forced me to join. Or sign. I was not provided the full contract terms prior to signing. At least in the '80's. I don't know what they do now.

LOL I never saw anything UCMJ until after basic.

 

[Ranger29860]

The amount of military hate in this thread is disgusting.

What? Where?

 

[AFPVet]

I'm a vet. I received a quite abbreviated copy of the UCMJ AFTER I signed the papers. Nobody forced me to join. Or sign. I was not provided the full contract terms prior to signing. At least in the '80's. I don't know what they do now.

I was young and trusted my government back then. They gave you documents to read and sign on multiple forms. I knew what I was signing up for though.

 

[Anti Federalist]

The amount of military hate in this thread is disgusting.

Wut?