[Mike Johnson is the new Speaker] The Great Speaker Race

...Scalise told reporters on Thursday, Axios reports. "But there's some folks that really need to look in the mirror over the next couple of days and decide are we going to get it back on track, or they're going to try to pursue their own agenda."
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If they are trying to stop the railroading of the American people, then no, they won't help you get your train back on the track. And that isn't just "their own agenda ". Just because it isn't your agenda does not mean it isn't my agenda.
 
acptulsa said:
If they are trying to stop the railroading of the American people, then no, they won't help you get your train back on the track. And that isn't just "their own agenda ". Just because it isn't your agenda does not mean it isn't my agenda.
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Finally something good is happening. Some members of the Republican party are at least showing some fight and refusing to go along to get along. The DC swamp establishment lost McCarthy and now Scalise. It would be great if the "moderate" Republicans could get behind Jordan instead of being bent that he is... oh heaven forbid... conservative.

If you are a Republican politician and you can't support Jim Jordan then you must be in the wrong party.
 
Cleaner44 said:
Finally something good is happening. Some members of the Republican party are at least showing some fight and refusing to go along to get along. The DC swamp establishment lost McCarthy and now Scalise. It would be great if the "moderate" Republicans could get behind Jordan instead of being bent that he is... oh heaven forbid... conservative.

If you are a Republican politician and you can't support Jim Jordan then you must be in the wrong party.
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No, no one should be appointed. If we are serious about limited government then not appointing a speaker will lead to a shutdown which is automatically limited government.
 
Occam's Banana said:
WisconsinLiberty said:
Occam's Banana said:
Anti Globalist said:
If your Freedom Index score isn't 90% or above I consider you a RINO.
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If your Freedom Index score isn't is 90% or above I consider you a RINO.
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That makes no sense. People like Rand Paul and Thomas Massie have 90%+ Freedom Index scores.
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Yes, I know.

Occam's Banana said:
Ron Paul is a RINO.

So is Thomas Massie.

Rand Paul is too, most of the time.
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Just to clarify, I am serious and was not trying to be snarky or "tongue in cheek".

Massie, Rand, et al. really are the RINOs.

McConnell, Scalise, et al. really are the Republicans (and not just "in name only").

From almost exactly a year ago:

Occam's Banana said:
Occam's Banana said:
I don't understand why McConnell and people like him are called "RINOs".

They are not RINOs. They are 100 percent Republican.

It's people like Ron Paul, Thomas Massie, and Rand Paul who are the RINOs.
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Any member of the GOP who achieves a score over 90 is in RINO territory.

At present that would be:

Rosendale, Matthew
Massie, Thomas
Green, Marjorie Taylor
Tiffany, Thomas
Good, Bob
Herrell, Yvette
Paul, Rand
Biggs, Andy
Boebert, Lauren
Cammack, Kat
Clyde, Andrew
Donalds, Byron
Lee, Mike
Miller, Mary
Moore, Barry
Bishop, Dan

[TD="align: right"]100[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]99[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]97[/TD]

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[TD="align: right"]96[/TD]

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[TD="align: right"]95[/TD]

[TD="align: right"]93[/TD]

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[TD="align: right"]93[/TD]

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[TD="align: right"]93[/TD]

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[TD="align: right"]92[/TD]

(For comparison, Ron Paul's lifetime score is 97.)

There are 535 members of Congress (100 in the Senate, 435 in the House of Representatives).

Of those, there are only 16 with a score greater than 90 (no Democrats).

At the other end of the scale, there are 69 (more than 4 times as many) with a score less than 10 (all Democrats).
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At the time, there were 262 members of the Republican caucus in Congress (212 House members + 50 Senators).

IOW: Just barely over 6% of congressional Republicans had a Freedom Index score of 90 or more.

When you are just a mere 6% of your caucus, you are not the (actually) representative and "real" part of that caucus - you are the outlier and "in name only" part of that caucus.
 
Occam's Banana said:
Just to clarify, I am serious and was not trying to be snarky or "tongue in cheek".

Massie, Rand, et al. really are the RINOs.

McConnell, Scalise, et al. really are the Republicans (and not just "in name only").

From almost exactly a year ago:



At the time, there were 262 members of the Republican caucus in Congress (212 House members + 50 Senators).

IOW: Just barely over 6% of congressional Republicans had a Freedom Index score of 90 or more.

When you are just a mere 6% of your caucus, you are not the (actually) representative and "real" part of that caucus - you are the outlier and "in name only" part of that caucus.
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I get what you're saying, but that other 94% still claims to follow the principles that those 6% actually follow. If you look at the Republican platform, it's all about freedom, constitutional government, limited regulation, etc... Those politicians also don't represent the vast majority of the actual members, who support those principles. Ron Paul said this around 2008 when asked why he's a Republican when he disagrees with the rest of Republican politicians. He stated that he represents the principles of the party, and if the rest of the Republican politicians don't agree with those, maybe they should leave.
 
Matt4Liberty said:
I get what you're saying, but that other 94% still claims to follow the principles that those 6% actually follow. If you look at the Republican platform, it's all about freedom, constitutional government, limited regulation, etc.
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The constitution of the Soviet Union explicitly endorsed and declared freedom of speech (as well as other libertarian principles) - but no sensible person would say that Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, et al. were therefore communists "in name only".

Matt4Liberty said:
Those politicians also don't represent the vast majority of the actual members, who support those principles.
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"Words are wind", and "the proof of the pudding is in the eating". If 94% of the Republicans who are in a position to actually do anything about it do not actually support the Republican platform, then that just means the Republican platform (like the 6%) is Republican "in name only".

Matt4Liberty said:
Ron Paul said this around 2008 when asked why he's a Republican when he disagrees with the rest of Republican politicians. He stated that he represents the principles of the party, and if the rest of the Republican politicians don't agree with those, maybe they should leave.
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But they didn't leave, nor are they going to do so- and that is why the 6% are the "RINOs".

I don't recall Ron saying what you described (though I'm not denying he might have said it) - but I definitely do recall him saying that he ran as a Republican because he thought he was most likely to win election in his district that way (and he recommended that other libertarians do the same and run as members of whichever party seems most likely to result in them being elected - Republican, Democrat, or whatever).
 
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RINOS Working for Biden-Groomers Flushed Out! 20 Voting Against Jim Jordan, Help Needed!

Matt Gaetz's strategy is becoming clear now. He shoved the hardcore RINOS who hate America into the light of day in a roll call vote. They are a manageable number.


We've got down to the 20 the number of 100% Groomercrats in disguise, pro-Biden, America Last RINOs who are blocking Jim Jordan from becoming Speaker of the House.


Jim Jordan will right away cut off Ukraine and seal the border. The Groomers know this, hence the meltdown on the Left and deploying every last troll against Jordan. Just visit Twitter, I've never seen these communists so against one man. Every Biden shill is working 5 sock puppets.


That means we have found our man. He will probably release the J6 tapes, we don't know. But at least he's his own man not a known quantity, which is what the Deep State hates most. Uncertainty. He already says 2020 was rigged and is trying to close the border. Now he's about to get the hammer to do something about it.


If you've never made a political call in your life now's the time. They are fighting like devil dogs in congress to get this guy in, and reinforcements are needed. Waves of terrorists probably headed for Biden's open border right now. It will be all on their heads.




Gateway Pundit DEVELOPING: Jim Jordan Loses Vote for House Speaker – Here are the 20 GOP Turncoats Who Voted Against Jordan in Leadership Role
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/developing-13-gop-turncoats-vote-against-jim-jordan/




Rep. Don Bacon was the first to cast a vote for McCarthy.
Rep. Ken Buck voted for Emmer.
Rep. Lori Chavez-DeRemer voted for McCarthy.
Rep. Anthony D’Esposito voted for Zeldin.
Rep. Mario Díaz-Balart voted for Scalise.
Rep. Jake Ellzey voted for Garcia.
Rep. Andrew Garbarino was the second to vote for Zeldin.
Rep. Carlos Giménez voted for McCarthy.
Rep. Tony Gonzales voted for Scalise.
Rep. Kay Granger voted for Scalise.
Rep. John James voted for Cole.
Rep. Mike Kelly voted for Scalise.
Rep. Jennifer Kiggans voted for McCarthy.
Rep. Nick LaLota voted for Zeldin
Rep. Doug LaMalfa voted for McCarthy.
Rep. Michael Lawler voted for McCarthy.
Rep. John Rutherford voted for Scalise.
Rep. Michael Simpson voted for Scalise.
Rep. Victoria Spartz voted for Massie.
Rep. Steve Womack voted for Scalise.


https://twitter.com/TPPatriots/status/1714275554999054774


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All you need to know to support Jim Jordan for Speaker: Liz Cheney hates hm.


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WHAT TREASON LOOKS LIKE


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Lori Chavez-DeRemer
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I'm not as optimistic that the money wouldn't somehow continue being spent automatically through bureaucratic channels. If nothing else, we'd find out whether or not Congress truly is, just a formality.
 
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