Mike Gravel said he is more Libertarian than Ron Paul
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You didn't understand my point.
Mike Gravel stated that he was more libertarian than Ron Paul because of a statement Ron made about morally opposing gambling and prostitution. What Mike Gravel does not understand is the separation of ones personal morality and the laws which one should impose on others. The purpose of government is not to impose the morality of the individuals voted into office, but rather to secure people's liberty and allow them to discover their own morality.
The problem is that politics has become a popularity competition of morality. You are told to vote for the person who best represents your views so that the individual who is eventually elected represents the majority of the population. But this, of course, leaves the minority completely unrepresented and subject to the morality of the elected and therefore the majority.
edit: I also dispute the logic that the "pro-choice" attitude is libertarian. A lot of folks claiming to be libertarian use the argument that the fetus is a parasite that requires another human to live and therefore it is up to the individual being parasitized to make a decision regarding whether the parasite should live. First of all, the fetus was created via a (usually) voluntary act, secondly the fetus has NEVER HAD A CHANCE to live without the requirement of parasitism. People seem to focus on the liberty of the post-natal individual, while disregarding the liberty of the pre-natal.
That is not to say that I agree with making abortion illegal. I don't. But I also disagree with the attitude that it is morally justifiable in the situation where intercourse was voluntary. Abortion is the killing of a human being. It is an awful thing.
The other point to make is that I think the fetus is the equal responsibility of the male involved in its creation, as is the female bearer.
By the way, I am by no means religious, nor have I ever been. I am agnostic/deist. Logic informs my decisions.
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H Roark
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Gravel is all over the place, he has a video on YouTube where he describes his favorable stance on globalization... I was surprised to find that this video is now marked private! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu-OAu9hi2c Search terms "gravel globalization"
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<<Gravel took me over to a corner and quieted down. "I don't say this in public, but I'm more libertarian than Ron Paul. I took that article over to him this last week—we met for the first time. And the article's got that section with the top libertarian issues. Gambling, choice, immigration. Ron looks at the list and points at each of the issues. 'I'm not for that, I'm not for that, I'm not for that.' He was against half of the things on the list! And I'm for all of those things.">>
Ron's wouldn't gamble, but he wouldn't legislate against either.
Ron Paul is anti-abortion, but feels the federal government should stay out of the abortion business.
Ron Paul is against illegal immigration. He doesn't have a problem with legal immigration.
I think Gravel is pulling someone's leg.
Ron's wouldn't gamble, but he wouldn't legislate against either.
Ron Paul is anti-abortion, but feels the federal government should stay out of the abortion business.
Ron Paul is against illegal immigration. He doesn't have a problem with legal immigration.
I think Gravel is pulling someone's leg.
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Being a libertine is not the same thing as being a libertarian.
LMAO.
Is health not a social issue?
Mike Gravel advocates stealing money from one individual and wasting some of it on a bureaucrat, then giving what is left over to someone else to pay for their health.
How is that libertarian?
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Are all taxes stealing money?
You are clueless. RP is pro freedom. Gravel is not. He is against any form of economic freedom. All he wants to do is steal your money and make the government bigger.
He is more communist than libertarian.
Yes. Gravel does not believe that people should have the freedom to spend their own money and run their own lives.
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I think Mike Gravel is a better candidate than Ron Paul. He's no libertarian though
garrettwombat
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i have never in my life uttered the word troll but here goes....
troll.
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im no expert but i dont think libertarians belive in the "real id" "globalization" or "socialised medicine"
hears gravel showing off his real id http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbSh-3G3HJU
hears gravel showing off his real id http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbSh-3G3HJU
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Mike Gravel should spend the next four years studying libertarianism and Austrian economics. I'm sure he could get complimentary passes to some Mises conferences to learn about his new adopted philosophy. Then get back to us in 2012.
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he will be dead by then
JosephTheLibertarian
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Pretty much. The best we can do is make tax cuts...for ALL.
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While I only support Ron Paul, I am happy Gravel now considers himself a libertarian. Is shows that libertarianism is becoming chique, and this is a good thing that needs to be encouraged to persuade more people to join the movement.
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By what objective standard is he a libertarian at all??? Much less more of a libertarian than Ron Paul?
I'm not for a lot of things either, but I think others have a right to do whatever they want. As far as I know, this is Ron Paul's position on an overwhelming majority of issues.
It's not just social issues Mike...
I'm not for a lot of things either, but I think others have a right to do whatever they want. As far as I know, this is Ron Paul's position on an overwhelming majority of issues.
It's not just social issues Mike...
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WOW!!! Just watched this video.
Mike Gravel, libertarian my ass! He doesn't know the first thing about the difference between liberty and permission.
He thinks the Real ID is a good thing because it will get you through Terminal Security faster.
He says 'they already have you.' In other words it's no use trying to get your freedoms back.
WTF!!!
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