Michigan bill to criminalize gender-change procedures for minors as child abuse

[PAF]

It’s not so much about good and evil, it’s more about “saving people from themselves”. Should government be involved in that?



Yes, an arbitrary age which changes over time. Hard to call that a principle, except in clown world.

But this is under the same category as long established age related laws, such as those on bars, smoking, drinking, driving or having sexual relations. Should they all be repealed? Who will save the kids from themselves? Even worse, who will save them from misguided, ignorant, woke parents?

Then my Post #16 does have relevance to this thread. Government creates more problems that it solves, taking personal responsibility away from people. Even concerning contract rights, and then charges revenue to enforce unjust laws/statutes/ordinances. Kids can't have lemonade stands to keep busy and make a profit, or the curious scientist working in their own garage without having homeland security knock at the door. Ever see The Astronaut Farmer and when he let the kids stay home from school?

When people are left to deal with the ramifications of their own decisions on their own, they seem, I think, to make much better decisions. Revenue from cradle to grave is the goal of .Gov and the corporations which are in bed with them, including prisons and hospitals.

You nailed it in Post #20 - Follow the Money.

 

[69360]

I don't want this to go off topic, but I will clarify:

If/when the child is under my care, under my roof, on my dime, that is one thing. But once the child is capable of earning enough money on their own and insists on moving out of my house, the responsibility would fall upon him/her. Of course I would try to talk to him/her and express my views, but outside of that, the decision would be theirs only, whether 16, 17 or 21. The choices one makes can/will affect the rest of their life, they certainly would have learned that while living under my roof, and that is something they would need to heavily consider in their decision making.

Arbitrary age set by government. The kids today are coddled, education is beyond substandard, they are not allowed to work at an early age, and the government would sooner raise the age of adult beyond 16, 18 or 21 to 25. My grandparents were married and owned a farm in their early teens. They worked hard and were responsible. They didn't have free time on their hands to sit in front of the TV for 15 hours playing games or think about crap like cancel culture and trans/sex change.

I think 18 is about right in our current world. As life expectancy increases, the coming of age tends to increase too.

 

[PAF]

I think 18 is about right in our current world. As life expectancy increases, the coming of age tends to increase too.

Enabler much? So, you are fine with increasing the age [to be considered an adult] to work until say, 24, or 34 as life expectancy increases? I guess retiring at an age where one is still able to enjoy is out of the question too, since they will have to work until age 100, if they don't start until mid 20-30's.

Edit to say, I would MUCH rather have older folks have all the free time that they want, after learning the value of work and responsibility, than the young generation who sit around doing next to nothing and expecting others to coddle and take care of them.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

THREAD: Virginia Parents Could Face Felony Charges for Not ‘Affirming’ Child’s Gender Identity

As much as we may want to keep government out of most personal decisions, the woke left in conjunction with the crony kleptocracy have other plans...

 

[Brian4Liberty]

When people are left to deal with the ramifications of their own decisions on their own, they seem, I think, to make much better decisions. ...

Unfortunately, they are being actively misled, by other misled people, ignorant people, and people with hidden agendas like politics and money. Now they want to enforce their agenda via law. How can a person make a truly informed decision in a storm of misinformation?

 

[PAF]

Unfortunately, they are being actively misled, by other misled people, ignorant people, and people with hidden agendas like politics and money. Now they want to enforce their agenda via law. How can a person make a truly informed decision in a storm of misinformation?

True. And no matter how much we try to educate, for the most part, they "do not want to hear it".

But, truth always prevails, even after the fact and it is too late for some/many. The words "I can't believe it happened to me" is the best teacher of life. If they brush aside asking questions, or refuse to consider other points of view, that's on them, not me.

As to "law", people are conditioned to abide by the top-down approach Fed-down-to-local, when in fact it is the other way around. Once again, only after "I can't believe it happened to me" do some begin to realize that. It is not easy protecting one's own life and liberty, but that is absolutely what is required.

Rumble and Bitchute, buying from local farmers, using natural remedies, at least some folks are in-the-know.

 

[dannno]

I will defend your right to get a tattoo if you want, or a nipple ring, if you assume 100% responsibility for your own body and on your own dime.

So if a 6 year old hands some 50 year old dude some money, they can get a full body tattoo of a unicorn done?

 

[PAF]

So if a 6 year old hands some 50 year old dude some money, they can get a full body tattoo of a unicorn done?

Post #16. Did you even bother to read it?

 

[dannno]

Post #16. Did you even bother to read it?

I thought I read all the posts, but I missed that one. I was more curious about your thoughts than trying to be combative.

I don't have a huge problem with that.

 

[PAF]

I thought I read all the posts, but I missed that one. I was more curious about your thoughts than trying to be combative.

I don't have a huge problem with that.

I am curious though, not a huge problem? Care to share?

 

[dannno]

I am curious though, not a huge problem? Care to share?

The issues I see are, how does 50 year old dude with a tattoo shop know that 13 year old girl who appears to be 15+ and stole money from her parents has moved out of her parents house and is responsible for herself?

The question is whether issues like that should take precedent over the rights of a 17 year old who has moved out of their house and is responsible for themselves to make their own decisions. I think one could argue that they don't, and maybe some precautions could be put into place that help prevent things like that.

Does the tattoo shop owner just act based off of the fear that dad of 13 year old girl could show up to his shop one day with a shotgun? Maybe.

Nobody said freedom would be perfect.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

So if a 6 year old hands some 50 year old dude some money, they can get a full body tattoo of a unicorn done?

It is currently perfectly acceptable in the eyes of some for a 6 year old to put money in the g-string of a trans stripper (as a matter of fact, to the radicals, it must be praised, or you should be punished). That might lead to a tattoo at some point (or plastic surgery).

 

[PAF]

The issues I see are, how does 50 year old dude with a tattoo shop know that 13 year old girl who appears to be 15+ and stole money from her parents has moved out of her parents house and is responsible for herself?

The question is whether issues like that should take precedent over the rights of a 17 year old who has moved out of their house and is responsible for themselves to make their own decisions. I think one could argue that they don't, and maybe some precautions could be put into place that help prevent things like that.

Does the tattoo shop owner just act based off of the fear that dad of 13 year old girl could show up to his shop one day with a shotgun? Maybe.

Nobody said freedom would be perfect.

Great points, [MENTION=10908]dannno[/MENTION], you're exercising my brain ;-)

So, thinking about that, it is a business deal where Contract Rights would apply.

If the person appeared young, say a 22 year old who appeared 16, or the other way around, which age shouldn't be an issue to begin with, the business owner who provides the service could ask for pay stubs and proof of residence. A simple cross-reference lookup of the pay stub to see if parents/guardian reside in the home and still supporting the person in question. Other than that, black/grey markets do exist, and if the person is that intent, they will find a way to do so - with or without laws and/or the approval of government.