Mexicans Leaving the U.S. Vowing Never to Return

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I suppose the battle for wages can only be fixed by fixing the economy itself. Until then, it doesn't seem like competing for a job with someone who cannot speak the language and has no education would not be much competition.
As for protecting the borders, tptb don't want to and that brings to mind some conspiracy theories.

I mean to get back to this, with an essay entitled The Servant Class.

Deborah K elsewhere asks what is the weakness of the Ruling Elite. Aside from their own skins and stuff, a key-and-I-mean-strategic weakness of the Ruling Elite is that they know how to do almost nothing for themselves. They are positively RELIANT upon the people they pay least.

 

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I taught ESL (English as a Second Language).

I'm gonna git me one a them certificates -- all KINDSA sessions starting after the first of the year.

Since we are bent on rendering ourselves as vulnerable and disliked as Robber Barons and Corrupt Officials can make one country, it seems prudent to have that teaching certificate in my back pocket.

 

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No, because I am not quite sure what you just said. I think that you said while you stopped to buy $18.xx in gas, you overheard some Mexicans crabbing about some minutemen patrols. Also that people in upper class California neighborhoods hire illegals and do not pay employer taxes.

Is that right?

No, my bad -- this shit is exhausting.

UNEMPLOYED AMERICANS were talking about heading down to the border to interrupt the post-holiday return of thousands upon thousands of Illegal Immigrants to their tax-free jobs tending the homes and kids and cars and gardens of the West Coast's Conscienceless Well-To-Do.

 

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UNEMPLOYED AMERICANS were talking about heading down to the border to interrupt the post-holiday return of thousands upon thousands of Illegal Immigrants to their tax-free jobs tending the homes and kids and cars and gardens of the West Coast's Conscienceless Well-To-Do.

It's actually a quite good idea, I think, satisfying both Obama's calls for "saved and created jobs" and pompous and self-righteous David Gergen's calls for Service To Country.

Jobs serving our Well-To-Do will be saved, always -- it being beneath the Rich to do for themselves -- and the jobs will be also be CREATED, for American Citizens. A two-fer.

As to Volunteerism, our Border Guards are obviously outmatched and overwhelmed on a regular basis -- or we wouldn't have so many Illegal Immigrants, yes? They obviously NEED help.

I watched a movie on Malcolm X, played by Denzel Washington. I mean AWESOME AND INTIMIDATING, the way those Nation of Islam followers just STOOD there, silent -- it was intimidating enough to get him killed.

I can imagine that such a showing by American Unemployed -- holding a line on the pavement, so to speak -- would probably assist our Border Guards in dispatching their duty.

 

[Gideon]

We cannot seal the border...

The Mexican economy is overly dependent upon the cash jobs of these itinerant workers.

However, given the current economic contractions within the U.S., I have noticed significantly fewer Mexicans loitering about for work, and I have it from direct sources that many can no longer afford to stay here and are heading south for the long-term.

Still by policy, a trickle of "illegals" is apparently permitted easy access.

IMO, within months of a truly sealed border, revolution would erupt in Mexico.

 

[driller80545]

The mexican drug smugglers make more money in Mexico than all the illegals combined. If you really want to throw a monkey wrench into their economy, make drugs cheap. Of course, there could be some serious blowback in the US, too.

 

[orafi]

wow, they'd rather be in mexico than in america. that puts things into perspective.

americans are pounding their chests in victory, as they stand triumphantly on their sinking boat.

 

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Since the Marines are already in town, high and rising unemployment figures combined with "unforeseen" losses would make it eminently reasonable -- not seditious or even disobedient -- for my beleaguered countrymen to agitate loudly and steadily for raids of uber affluent California residential pockets that are WELL KNOWN to be hotbeds of employment for Undocumented Labor, overwhelmingly Latino.

Orange County. Hollywood Hills. Beverly Hills. Bel Air. Brentwood. Pacific Palisades. Malibu. SANTA BARBARA. Palo Alto. Menlo Park. Atherton. Hillsborough. And I'm just gettin' started. There'll be revenue GALORE on violations, and a "created" job for an American citizen with every instance.

What sayeth Barack Obama? The chickenshit couldn't infiltrate the airwaves often enough when it was all about self-promotion. Now that he's in with the In Crowd, I observe that he is as discreet as, frankly, someone who has something to hide.

If no one is gonna call anyone on their bullshit, we can bank upon more bullshit.

 

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The Mexican economy is overly dependent upon the cash jobs of these itinerant workers.

That is Mexico's problem. The problem that pertains to us -- aside from erosion of wages, foregone tax revenue and increased social service expenditures -- is that they send cash home. To add insult to injury, X percent of their earned income is not spent here.

The mailed money? It is very often sent by USPS Money Order. Which is to say that records exist, such as a detective might sift through, which would reveal the identities of Y number of Illegal Immigrants.

However, given the current economic contractions within the U.S., I have noticed significantly fewer Mexicans loitering about for work, and I have it from direct sources that many can no longer afford to stay here and are heading south for the long-term.

Yep -- like other service-based businesses that have gone or will go belly up.

It would be charming to think that our plan to resolve Illegal Immigration is not to lower our standard of living sufficiently that coming here is no longer desirable.

Still by policy, a trickle of "illegals" is apparently permitted easy access.

Think about how few things in life are entirely without Doubt -- then know that, WITHOUT DOUBT, "we" permit the steady and illegal entrance and employment of people who work for sub-par wages.

IMO, within months of a truly sealed border, revolution would erupt in Mexico.

That would be Mexico's problem . . . WHICH, sans interference, will see Correction in Mexico. Know why? Because the people of countries with more peace and prosperity will stop vacationing in Acapulco, Cancun, et al. until Order is reasserted.

Mexico relies on Tourism more than it relies on the pesos sent home by maids and gardeners. It DOES, however, rather rely on Z percentage of its population (i.e. X percent of ITS social service expenditures) living elsewhere. Hence, the revolution you mention.

 

[SeanEdwards]

Inspiring:

Israeli "Auto Kill Zone" Towers Locked and Loaded

 

[Conservative Christian]

Illegal under your statist precept.
Foolish paleocons.

You're the one spouting sheer foolishness. Illegal aliens are a clear threat to our national sovereignty and way of life.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html

"• In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.

• A confidential California Department of Justice study reported in 1995 that 60 percent of the 20,000-strong 18th Street Gang in southern California is illegal; police officers say the proportion is actually much greater. The bloody gang collaborates with the Mexican Mafia, the dominant force in California prisons, on complex drug-distribution schemes, extortion, and drive-by assassinations, and commits an assault or robbery every day in L.A. County. The gang has grown dramatically over the last two decades by recruiting recently arrived youngsters, most of them illegal, from Central America and Mexico.

• The leadership of the Columbia Lil’ Cycos gang, which uses murder and racketeering to control the drug market around L.A.’s MacArthur Park, was about 60 percent illegal in 2002, says former assistant U.S. attorney Luis Li. Francisco Martinez, a Mexican Mafia member and an illegal alien, controlled the gang from prison, while serving time for felonious reentry following deportation.

Good luck finding any reference to such facts in official crime analysis. The LAPD and the L.A. city attorney recently requested an injunction against drug trafficking in Hollywood, targeting the 18th Street Gang and the “non–gang members” who sell drugs in Hollywood for the gang. Those non–gang members are virtually all illegal Mexicans, smuggled into the country by a ring organized by 18th Street bigs. The Mexicans pay off their transportation debts to the gang by selling drugs; many soon realize how lucrative that line of work is and stay in the business."


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[Conservative Christian]

http://www.carryingcapacity.org/huddlenr.html

"Mass Immigration Cost American Taxpayers $69 Billion Net and 2 Million Jobs in 1997

Study by Dr. Donald Huddle Reports Legal Immigration of over 1 Million Per Year Accounts for over 62% of Costs

State Costs to Taxpayers are Also Soaring (1996 Net Costs % up from 1992):

California: $28 billion up 35%

New York: $14 billion up 29%

Texas: $7 billion up 37%

Florida: $6 billion up 77%

The first study of the net cost of immigration to American taxpayers in 1997 conducted by Dr. Donald Huddle, Professor Emeritus of Economics at Rice University, found that:

The nearly 26 million legal and illegal immigrants settling in the United States since 1970 cost taxpayers a net $69 billion in 1997 alone, in excess of taxes those immigrants paid. This represents a cost of $260 in additional taxes paid by each U.S. resident or $1,030 in additional taxes paid by each family of four. This cost is a substantial increase over the net immigration costs of $65 billion ins 1996, $51 billion ins 1994, $44 billion in 1993, and $43 billion in 1992.

Over 62% of the net national cost of immigration in 1996, $40.6 billion, was attributable to legal and legalized (amnesty) immigrants. Illegal immigration generates about 38%, $24 billion of the total net cost. Legal immigration levels are over one million per year, and rising.

During 1996, approximately 2.3 million predominantly low-skill American workers were displaced from their jobs due to the continued heavy influx of immigrant workers since 1970. Taxpayers paid more than $15.2 billion in public assistance for those displaced workers in 1996, including Medicaid, Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC), unemployment compensation, and food stamps.

A net deficit of $8.5 billion dollars to the Social Security system in 1996 is attributable to the economic impact of the foreign-born population. Continued mass immigration threatens the solvency of the Social Security system.

Net cumulative costs for the 1998-2007 decade are projected to reach $932 billion, an average of $93.2 billion per year, even with recent changes in welfare and immigration policies and a prosperous economy, if current mass immigration trends are allowed to continue."


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[Conservative Christian]

http://www.carryingcapacity.org/huddlenr.html

"Breakdown for 1997 Costs of Legal Immigration

Public Schools (Primary, Secondary, Higher, etc) $22.5 billion

Bilingual Education, ESOL, ESL Education $ 3.3 billion

Medicaid $12.8 billion

AFDC (for legal and illegal immigrant's offspring) $ 2.4 billion

Social Security $24.8 billion

Supplemental Security Income $ 2.9 billion

Housing Assistance $ 2.6 billion

Criminal Justice $ 2.6 billion

Jobs Lost by Americans $10.8 billion

Other Programs $51.4 billion

1997 Total Costs for LEGAL Immigration: $136 billion

Add 1997 total costs for illegal immigration of $41 billion and subtract an estimated $108 billion in taxes paid by all immigrants (legal and illegal) in 1997 to obtain the overall net figure of $69 billion charged to you, and other American taxpayers.

Other key facts regarding immigration are:

1.) If current immigration trends continue, the current U.S. population of

274 million will nearly double to over 500,000,000 by 2050. (The U.S. was 135 million at the end of WWII.)

2.) Harvard Professor George Borjas demonstrated that mass immigration costs American workers $133 billion per year in wage depression and job loss.

3.) The prestigious National Research Council found at the state and local levels (which bear most of the burden for K-12 education) the net fiscal burden of the average immigrant-headed household (i.e., after subtracting state and local taxes the household paid) was:

$1,484 per immigrant-headed household in New Jersey (in the 1989-1990 fiscal year); and $3,463 in California (in 1994-1995)(p. 276-277)

Why should we continue to allow our own working poor, homeless, and unemployed to continue to suffer from the job loss, wage depression, and other burdens imposed by mass immigration?"


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[Kludge]

"Why should we continue to allow our own working poor, homeless, and unemployed to continue to suffer from the job loss, wage depression, and other burdens imposed by mass immigration?"

If you're so concerned about cost, we ought to also consider shipping the working poor, homeless, and unemployed out of the country. Government expenditure decreases, "class warfare" will become less significant a problem, unemployment reduces to virtually nothing, and no citizens are at risk of becoming dependent on welfare.

 

[Conservative Christian]

If you're so concerned about cost, we ought to also consider shipping the working poor, homeless, and unemployed out of the country. Government expenditure decreases, "class warfare" will become less significant a problem, unemployment reduces to virtually nothing, and no citizens are at risk of becoming dependent on welfare.

^An intellectually weak and amazingly bad idea.

We can get rid of the illegal aliens by simply cutting off all welfare and social services, and making it illegal for employers to hire them. The overwhelming majority of them would promptly leave of their own accord. No need to round up anybody.

Working poor, homeless and unemployed CITIZENS have a right to be here, but they have no innate right to welfare and social services. We can cut the cost of government by cutting back on welfare etc. Again, no need to round up anybody.

 

[Kludge]

Working poor, homeless and unemployed CITIZENS have a right to be here

Congratulations to them for being born in this specific geographic region! Aristocracy FTW.

 

[Conservative Christian]

Congratulations to them for being born in this specific geographic region! Aristocracy FTW.

^Bleeding heart liberal alert!

No aristocracy to it.

We're a world of different nations. They were born in theirs, we were born in ours.

The fact that their nations are usually third world dungheaps is their own fault. No sense in letting them turn the USA into one. After all, many countries have far greater natural resources than we do, so there's no excuse for the condition of their countries.

Illegal aliens have created a tremendous crime problem across the nation, and have virtually destroyed the social services networks in many parts of California, Texas and the Southwest.

Many private hospitals in the Southwest have been forced out of business by illegals.

Not to mention the national security threats posed by open borders.


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[heavenlyboy34]

^Bleeding heart liberal alert!

No aristocracy to it.

We're a world of different nations. They were born in theirs, we were born in ours.

The fact that their nations are usually third world dungheaps is their own fault. No sense in letting them turn the USA into one. After all, many countries have far greater natural resources than we do, so there's no excuse for the condition of their countries.

Illegal aliens have created a tremendous crime problem across the nation, and have virtually destroyed the social services networks in many parts of California, Texas and the Southwest.

Many private hospitals in the Southwest have been forced out of business by illegals.

Not to mention the national security threats posed by open borders.


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They've also reintroduced 3rd world diseases that were previously wiped out in the US. I can verify everything you wrote, since I'm on ground zero for the illegal alien issue.

 

[Lord Xar]

Congratulations to them for being born in this specific geographic region! Aristocracy FTW.

And your point is what? Where they live is not my responsibility nor is it their right to 'invade' our country because they can't get their shit together in their own country.
Liberals always have a way of creating victims and then wanting everyone else to placate these victims, thus turning us into victims. Phuk Illegals.

I am always amazed at this sorta argument. This is a globalistic and nationalized argument, you present. You, as well as I, know that once here - the ideas of property and self-reliance are not a contingency. So, what happens? They get sweeped up into the system and the tax payer foots the bill and our children get the burden.

Stop arguing in an utopian environment when we dont live in such.

Get rid of all the illegals. Plain and simple. The studies of the detriments of illegal immigration are well documented and very compelling. Read them.

 

[silverlinkx2]

I'm pretty torn on the issue of immigration. On the one hand, this country was built on immigration, in the early 1900s for example. If anybody wants to come and work they should work. I am firmly opposed to welfare for somebody who is perfectly capable of working. But I also don't get where Americans get on their high horse about building fences and deporting illegals. If you cut off the welfare, social services, free healthcare and what have you, fine. Why deport them then? This country was founded on imperalistically imposing our will on the natives (manifest destiny, anyone?) so I don't see where anyone gets the right to say that we should throw out all the "illegals."