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Thanks for posting that, saved me a moment to dig up the reference.
Mental illness risk ‘rises 30 per cent for women who have abortions’
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Thanks for posting that, saved me a moment to dig up the reference.
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Please provide a link indicating that the American Psychological Association reports that "sodomizing children is ok as long as the child consents". As a clinical psychologist, I would be VERY interested in seeing a direct APA source on this quote, as I am ethically and legally mandated to file an ethics violation if I am exposed to it. I am unable to find this direct quote. However, I need a direct source from the APA and/or one of it's actual divisions. Since you are making the allegation, I am asking for your help in finding the direct quote.
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Very good, correlation (if it exists) does not prove causation.
My conclusion is that women who hang around men too much risk greater chance of both pregnancy and mental illness!
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masturbation will make you go blind.
in case you didn't know.
you've been warned.
in case you didn't know.
you've been warned.
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Please provide your source.
A girl I know had an abortion, and then she felt so bad about it that she tried to kill herself
Yeah, many that have abortions regret it. It's the ones that have them and feel no regret that should off themselves, not the ones that are sorry about it.
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He won't provide the source. That's because he can't provide the source. That's because the source doesn't actually exist.
This whole thread has been this way. I effectively ended this debate like three pages back
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He won't provide the source. That's because he can't provide the source. That's because the source doesn't actually exist.
This whole thread has been this way. I effectively ended this debate like three pages back
As if I have the time, but to amuse you I did a small search and provided a link, which I know won't change your mind:
http://pedophileophobia.com/disorder.htm
"In a step critics charge could result in decriminalizing sexual contact between adults and children, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) recently sponsored a symposium in which participants discussed the removal of pedophilia from an upcoming edition of the psychiatric manual of mental disorders.
Some mental health professionals attending an annual APA convention May 19 in San Francisco proposed removing several long-recognized categories of mental illness - including pedophilia, exhibitionism, fetishism, transvestism, voyeurism and sadomasochism - from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM)."
They sponsored an event to discuss the removal of such things. The APA funded a meeting to get rid of sexual deviancy. Not shut your hole and get an education.
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During the convention, the American Psychiatric Association panel discussed not including the above disorders in the upcoming DSM-V (to be published in 2012) because currently individuals convicted of practicing acts of pedophilia are able to avoid prison sentences and claim mental illness in order to do their time in a mental hospital. Research was reviewed regarding prevalence rates, recidivism rates, associated disorders of clinical concern, and treatment efficacy. Differential diagnosis was also discussed.
The American Psychiatric Association is not a law-making body.
The APA never stated, "sodomizing children is ok as long as the child consents".
Full disclosure information on the APA's Sexual and Gender Identity Disorders Work Group, as well as it's members, can be found here:
http://www.psych.org/MainMenu/Research/DSMIV/DSMV/WorkGroups/SexualGID.aspx
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I think it is this one: "A Meta-Analytic Examination of Assumed Properties of Child Sexual Abuse Using College Samples," Psychological Bulletin, 1998, Vol. 124, No. 1, 22-53
The APA did some serious damage control; the outrage was too great.
Ultimately, sex with children will be policy agenda--it promotes control by fracturing their minds. If you wish delve into this very dark subject, look to MK-ULTRA, which is based on ancient occult Monarch Mind Control. Just another negative aspect of the esoteric agenda's march to collectivism.
Utopian Dreams are always psychotic...
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This isn't saying the same thing as 'sodomizing a child is o.k. if the child consents'. It doesn't even come anywhere close.
This is more of a, 'if you were thinking of using insanity as a defense for any of these behaviors, forget it'.
Meanwhile, back on subject, abortion and mental issues comprise (in my opinion) a chicken-and-egg riddle.
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good one!
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And so they spun:
American Psychiatric Association
Medical Director Critizes
Other APA'S Publication
of Pedophilia Study
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- In a letter dated May 27, Dr. Steven Mirin, Medical Director for the American Psychiatric Association, criticized the conclusions contained in a study published by the American Psychological Association that suggests sexual relationships between adults and children are not as harmful as once believed. "It is encouraging to see the American Psychiatric Association distance itself from junk science. Children cannot consent to sex and any study that does not accept this premise should be dismissed," Janet Parshall, Family Research Council's Chief Spokerson, said Monday. "The American Psychological Association should wake up and smell the trash it published."
Dr. Mirin's letter to FRC's Senior Director of Cultural Studies Robert Knight thanked FRC for acknowledging pedophilia as a mental disorder. He also expressed the American Psychiatric Association's disagreement "with the implications of the authors' conclusions" contained in the journal article "A Meta-Analytic Examination of Assumed Properties of Child Sexual Abuse Using College Samples," Psychological Bulletin, 1998, Vol. 124, No. 1, 22-53. "From a psychological perspective, sex between adult and child is always abusive and exploitative because the adult always holds the power in the relationship," wrote Dr. Mirin. Therefore, "[a]cademic hair-splitting over whether the act should be considered adult-child sex or child sexual abuse . . is not in the public interest and obfuscates the moral issues involved."
On May 12, Family Research Council joined Dr. Laura Schlessinger and a coalition of Congressmen, child protection advocates, and pedophilia victims to call on the American Psychological Association to renounce the aforementioned study. In response, the American Psychological Association has defended the study's publication.
"Pedophilia has no presentable face," said Parshall. "We should treat it as the ugly demon it is and do everything we can to preserve our children's innocence. Adult-child sex is always reprehensible, always harmful and always forced." Indeed, Dr. Mirin stated that his organization's "strongly held position" is "that sex between adult and child can never be condoned or considered 'normal' behavior."
"The American Psychological Association should realize it stands alone in lending credence to the flawed study on 'adult-child sex' that it foolishly published in its prestigious journal," Parshall concluded.
More:
Innocence Lost?
By Kelly Patricia O'Meara
Insight Magazine
Cover Story, Vol. 15, No. 22, 05/24/99
Excerpts:
Few thought the day would come when sexual abuse of a child might be called "a positive experience." Not long ago it was unimaginable that, in an attempt to bring legitimacy to criminal and immoral sexual acts, the term "child molestation" would be restyled into value-neutral language such as "adult-child sex."
. . . . But the American Psychological Association, or APA, published in July 1998 in its prestigious Psychological Bulletin a study by three professors -- [snip] which basically redefines "child sexual abuse."
Their conclusions further suggest that when negative effects do occur they often are temporary, and that consensual sex between children and adults, and adolescents and children, should be described in more positive terms, such as "adult-child sex" and "adolescent-child sex."
Anthony Falzarano, director of P-Fox, a national organization of homosexuals who are seeking "reparative therapy" and heterosexual orientation, couldn't be more outraged by the study's findings. [snip] "It is utterly incredible to think that a child can 'consent' to sex with an adult. Believe me, there are lasting, harmful effects."
Falzarano is just one of a great many Americans who are expressing shock and anger at the implications of the new APA advocacy.
Republican Rep. Matt Salmon of Arizona, who visibly was angered by the APA's position, said, "It is beyond the realm of possibility that we're even here today talking about this. But what are we to do when we have groups like the APA who don't stand up and say that this is sick and twisted. I don't want to understand pedophiles, I want to put them in prison."
Resolutions of outrage also are being offered in the states. The first of these passed the Alaska state Senate by a 20-0 vote.
On its Website, NAMBLA praises the APA's study as "good news."
Bob Flores, senior counsel for the National Law Center for Children and Families, isn't surprised by NAMBLA's elation. "The report will validate many pedophiles. It will make them think that what they're doing to the child is actually helping them. This isn't brain surgery. Even the village idiot understands what this study is suggesting."
Full news article at -- Insight Magazine
From here: http://www.prevent-abuse-now.com/rebuttal.htm#APA
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I understand, but the vetting process is pretty substantial for medical articles, but not in this case; you wouldn't believe the hoops it takes to get into New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM). I would imagine this is similar.
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Not only that, people who are mentally unstable are more likely to engage in drug use and promiscuous sexual activity. The study should say that "women who have drug problems and mental disorders are more likely to have abortions"
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That's quite true, and the reviewers of the article who approved it's publication fucked up! Biased research is unfortunately one of the problems in any field-- look at Vioxx, Phen-Fen, Thalidomide, etc. That doesn't make it right. I've read the article and see a number of methodological problems aside from the authors injecting opinion.
I don't think the prior & subsequent research conducted on the subject of pedophilia supports the conclusions of the 1998 meta-analysis. The authors of the article clearly injected their own opinions into the literature review and omitted several key studies. I have no idea what the reviewers were thinking, let alone the authors. I seriously doubt that anyone with any experience in dealing with convicted pedophiles would write or approve such an article.
A single study does not represent the entire field of mental health, nor it's practitioners.
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