Meet Ben Carson: First Republican to Throw His Hat in 2016 Ring (no announcement)

[PAF]

Now that carson's campaign manager appears to be among us...

Here is an update (emphasis mine):
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Carson said that “under no circumstances” would he “allow a bureaucrat to remove any law-abiding citizen’s rights for any kind of weapon that they want to protect themselves.”
If he were in a position of national leadership, Carson said he would seek to allow people to possess any kind of weapon they can legally buy, including “automatic weapons and semi-automatic weapons.”

http://gunssavelives.net/gun-politi...mendment-supports-owning-any-type-of-firearm/

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So there you have it. Still failing to see that the 2ndA is not granted by govt. or bureaucrats, but rather a fundamental natural right.

The ability to read between the lines is an art form that most people have failed to accomplish.

Btw, jjdoyle, taxation is theft, redistribution of wealth, no matter what the percentage.

 

[jmdrake]

Btw, jjdoyle, taxation is theft, redistribution of wealth, no matter what the percentage.

I think you missed the point. Rand Paul supports stealing a greater percentage, since that's the way you want to spin this. Or you could be honest and just say both men want to end progressive taxation.

 

[Crashland]

He was name-dropped/referred to at least 3 different times (different episodes/years) on the HBO series "The Wire" which I don't believe was "conservative media" and ended well before any such hype. Each time his name was used as a positive role model. just saying...

Yes and there was even a movie created about him. That doesn't make him a household name. There are tons of accomplished people who get referenced as role models in documentaries. But ask anyone, if they have heard of Carson, how they heard about him. I would wager that over 95% of people who know Carson did not know who he was until after that breakfast.

 

[jmdrake]

Yes and there was even a movie created about him. That doesn't make him a household name. There are tons of accomplished people who get referenced as role models in documentaries. But ask anyone, if they have heard of Carson, how they heard about him. I would wager that over 95% of people who know Carson did not know who he was until after that breakfast.

I assure you that 95% of the people are not like you. I can also assure you that more people heard of Ben Carson before the prayer breakfast than had heard of Ron Paul prior to him running for president. I don't think Ron Paul even had been a best selling author prior to running for president. Carson had at least 3 best sellers, maybe more.

 

[jjdoyle]

Btw, jjdoyle, taxation is theft, redistribution of wealth, no matter what the percentage.

No crap non-Sherlock, and I'm not Carson's campaign manager or even trying to be (are you working for Rand or Rand PAC though, simply trying to spread disinformation and bad information about Carson, because he may be a threat in 2016?), but I'm not going to allow stupidity to be spewed about unanswered just because Carson isn't Rand. Rand has apparently publicly talked about a 17% sales tax:
http://money.cnn.com/2014/03/31/pf/taxes/rand-paul-flat-tax/

While Carson has mentioned 10%, because of 10% being the amount or what tithe means in the Bible.

Rand is for allowing the government to thieve more money than Carson. Simple math. Not that I agree with either, and would instead prefer Ron Paul's 0/0/0 plan.

 

[PAF]

No crap non-Sherlock, and I'm not Carson's campaign manager or even trying to be (are you working for Rand or Rand PAC though, simply trying to spread disinformation and bad information about Carson, because he may be a threat in 2016?), but I'm not going to allow stupidity to be spewed about unanswered just because Carson isn't Rand. Rand has apparently publicly talked about a 17% sales tax:
http://money.cnn.com/2014/03/31/pf/taxes/rand-paul-flat-tax/

While Carson has mentioned 10%, because of 10% being the amount or what tithe means in the Bible.

Rand is for allowing the government to thieve more money than Carson. Simple math. Not that I agree with either, and would instead prefer Ron Paul's 0/0/0 plan.

The neocon conserva-sheeple are pushing for that so-called "fair tax" (H.R. 25) piece of crap, which isn't reform but only a replacement, where there is NO escape, and at a rate of 25% (30% at the counter) the FIRST year.

So while you are peddling carson, who is searching for his and your Utopian world, who is working on perfecting his podium rhetoric since he has never held office before, it is not carson OR Rand who would have the power to pass any law to reduce any rate short of abolishing programs. 10% sounds like the perfect way to siphon votes for those willing to actually believe his horse manure.

Where is carson on true reform - ending the Fed, abolishing the IRS, repealing the 16th and 17th? Yep, just what I thought.


Hey sherlock - let me know what other lines you want me to help you read between.

 

[mosquitobite]

Perhaps it is an age or location thing?

I'm under 40 and had never heard of Ben Carson until the prayer breakfast. And I grew up in a conservative house with a dad who would have been up with news - so he probably knew of Carson, but I don't remember him speaking about him until after the breakfast either.

 

[jmdrake]

Now that carson's campaign manager appears to be among us...

Here is an update (emphasis mine):
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Carson said that “under no circumstances” would he “allow a bureaucrat to remove any law-abiding citizen’s rights for any kind of weapon that they want to protect themselves.”
If he were in a position of national leadership, Carson said he would seek to allow people to possess any kind of weapon they can legally buy, including “automatic weapons and semi-automatic weapons.”

http://gunssavelives.net/gun-politi...mendment-supports-owning-any-type-of-firearm/

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So there you have it. Still failing to see that the 2ndA is not granted by govt. or bureaucrats, but rather a fundamental natural right.

The ability to read between the lines is an art form that most people have failed to accomplish.

Btw, jjdoyle, taxation is theft, redistribution of wealth, no matter what the percentage.

Oh, and I accidentally gave you a +rep when you deserve a neg rep. Why? For your cowardly neg rep to me coupled with a "A don't miss points." I was being nice when I said that. What I could have said is that you are being dishonest. And you are. Rand has called for a higher percentage flat tax than has Carson. To harp on Carson's 10% and ignore Rand's 17% is dishonest. Rand doesn't need dishonest people trying to help him. He's already got Jesse Benton.

 

[jmdrake]

The neocon conserva-sheeple are pushing for that so-called "fair tax" (H.R. 25) piece of crap, which isn't reform but only a replacement, where there is NO escape, and at a rate of 25% (30% at the counter) the FIRST year.

So while you are peddling carson, who is searching for his and your Utopian world, who is working on perfecting his podium rhetoric since he has never held office before, it is not carson OR Rand who would have the power to pass any law to reduce any rate short of abolishing programs. 10% sounds like the perfect way to siphon votes for those willing to actually believe his horse manure.

Where is carson on true reform - ending the Fed, abolishing the IRS, repealing the 16th and 17th? Yep, just what I thought.


Hey sherlock - let me know what other lines you want me to help you read between.

If you aren't criticizing Rand in the same breath for proposing something worse then you are a dishonest fanboy lacking honor and decency. Jesse Benton would probably like to hire you.

 

[jmdrake]

Perhaps it is an age or location thing?

I'm under 40 and had never heard of Ben Carson until the prayer breakfast. And I grew up in a conservative house with a dad who would have been up with news - so he probably knew of Carson, but I don't remember him speaking about him until after the breakfast either.

Well Carson wasn't known for his politics so your dad being conservative wouldn't have made a difference. But yeah, your dad probably heard of him if he was at all keeping up with the news back then. The fact is that he didn't become famous because of the prayer breakfast. He was invited to the prayer breakfast because he was already famous.

 

[PAF]

If you aren't criticizing Rand in the same breath then you are a dishonest fanboy lacking honor and decency.

Another naive one, I see.

Rand has a record to refer to. Carson does not. But like the "let's pretend we are republicans" back in 2008 and 2012, you will prop up a self proclaimed democrat who just recently switched to "republican" because the democrats already had their 8 years in office.

My job is to VET people. And not just politicians. Careful, my friend, or let it be known.

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- Rand Paul voted YES on S.Amdt. 263 to S.Con.Res. 8 - Rand Paul's Budget. This is Senator Rand Paul's budget plan, which would balance in five years, eliminate four Cabinet departments, replace the current tax code with a flat tax, and fundamentally reform all major entitlement programs.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?439108-Rand-Paul-On-The-Record

 

[Peace&Freedom]

The Christian media (one of the first real alternatives to emerge to confront the modern MSM, flaws and all) is where I first heard about Ron Paul, and Ben Carson. I first learned of Paul through a Christian newsletter circa 1980, and Carson through a 700 Club profile of him in the '90's.

As for the flat tax, there are worse versions (like the horrible fair tax) and more simple versions (like the one Paul likely had in mind) that could serve as a transition to ending the income tax and IRS. The latter is perhaps what Rand also has in mind. I would not trust a fundamental reform in this area unless it was locked in with a Constitutional amendment that explicitly and permanently did away with the tax. Taxes were pseudo-'flattened' in the latter Reagan years, only to be undone by the Bush/Clinton/Bush cascade of tax increases that came years later. Let's slay the beast this time, not just wound it.

 

[jmdrake]

Another naive one, I see.

No. Another honest one.

Rand has a record to refer to. Carson does not. But like the "let's pretend we are republicans" back in 2008 and 2012, you will prop up a self proclaimed democrat who just recently switched to "republican" because the democrats already had their 8 years in office.

You would try to win by dishonesty. And I'm calling you out for it. You are no better than the "let's pretend we are republicans" of 2008 and 2012.

My job is to VET people. And not just politicians. Careful, my friend, or let it be known.

I'm not your "friend". And I'm vetting you as a piece of shit.

 

[jmdrake]

The Christian media (one of the first real alternatives to emerge to confront the modern MSM, flaws and all) is where I first heard about Ron Paul, and Ben Carson. I first of Paul through a Christian newsletter circa 1980, and Carson through a 700 Club profile of him in the '90's.

As for the flat tax, there are worse versions (like the horrible fair tax) and more simple versions (like the one Paul likely had in mind) that could serve as a transition to ending the income tax and IRS. The latter is perhaps what Rand also has in mind. I would not trust a fundamental reform in this area unless it was locked in with a Constitutional amendment that explicitly and permanently did away with the tax. Taxes were pseudo-'flattened' in the latter Reagan years, only to be undone by the Bush/Clinton/Bush cascade of tax increases that came years later. Let's slay the beast this time, not just wound it.

I would agree. And if the point is to push for an end to the income tax, as opposed to playing silly games to attack potential long term allies, then we should start talking about that (abolishing the income tax) in general.

 

[PAF]

I'm not your "friend". And I'm vetting you as a piece of shit.

2 more for the left-wing column (you and jjdoyle). Thank you very much.

Next!

 

[jmdrake]

2 more for the left-wing column (you and jjdoyle). Thank you very much.

Next!

If honesty means being a "lefty" than I will take my place right along side leftist Ron Paul. Next!

 

[PAF]

If honesty means being a "lefty" than I will take my place right along side leftist Ron Paul. Next!

LOL, ok, jmdrake, I did laugh over that one, considering the fact that Dennis is on the RPI board.

Let's call a truce. But before we do, STICK to the RECORD, NOT to the RHETORIC!

 

[jmdrake]

LOL, ok, jmdrake, I did laugh over that one, considering the fact that Dennis is on the RPI board.

Let's call a truce. But before we do, STICK to the RECORD, NOT to the RHETORIC!

Fine. Truce.

 

[jjdoyle]

The neocon conserva-sheeple are pushing for that so-called "fair tax" (H.R. 25) piece of crap, which isn't reform but only a replacement, where there is NO escape, and at a rate of 25% (30% at the counter) the FIRST year.

So while you are peddling carson, who is searching for his and your Utopian world, who is working on perfecting his podium rhetoric since he has never held office before, it is not carson OR Rand who would have the power to pass any law to reduce any rate short of abolishing programs. 10% sounds like the perfect way to siphon votes for those willing to actually believe his horse manure.

Where is carson on true reform - ending the Fed, abolishing the IRS, repealing the 16th and 17th? Yep, just what I thought.

Hey sherlock - let me know what other lines you want me to help you read between.

Who is Sherlock? We know for a fact you aren't. But, I have admitted on the forums I like to investigate things, and enjoy reading history. And, I'm not even peddling Carson, just showing that you are lying about his position and Rand's on the fair tax.

Where is Rand on true reform, like ending all foreign aid, including to Israel? Rand has a record of being against that one now, and it's disgusting IMO. There is no justification at a national security level, to continue to give Israel more foreign aid. By Rand voting to give Israel more foreign aid, he is making Americans less safe. He is making it more likely that we will be attacked in the future. And, he is ignoring one of the three reasons given for us being attacked on 9/11, an attack that Israel apparently knew about beforehand and didn't warn us. Does Carson agree with Paul on that foreign aid to Israel? Probably, and it's why I'm not peddling Carson. Just stating facts.

I don't want the "fair tax", as I already said above I prefer Ron's 0/0/0 plan. But, it is 100% dishonest to say Carson is worse than Rand on it, when Rand has said 17% while Carson has said 10%.

And Carson isn't about a Utopian world, and I'm not either, but no doubt you would spin what he actually said about a utopian society (not that you probably even read it):

“There are elements that don’t like our system. They want to change us into the, quote, utopian society, and in order to do that they have to make what we’re doing now seem as though it doesn’t work. So, they drive wedges into every little crack to create a war,” Carson said.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/07/ben-carson-uncorks-on-whats-wrong-with-america/#JAmsWXqUj5TRtBI1.99"

And, I didn't vote for Ron Paul in 2008 because I thought he would create me a utopia, I just thought he might set the world record for number of presidential vetoes and that was something I was okay with.

Do you work for Rand? Rand PAC? Or, are you just a duplicate account of someone else around here simply trying to spread lies about other candidates that might take support from Rand, and thus take support and money from Ron Paul Inc.?

Ben Carson wants a 10% "fair tax", as a starting point.
Rand Paul wants a 17% "fair tax", as a starting point.
Ben Carson's stated position, is better than Rand's on this point.

 

[Crashland]

Well Carson wasn't known for his politics so your dad being conservative wouldn't have made a difference. But yeah, your dad probably heard of him if he was at all keeping up with the news back then. The fact is that he didn't become famous because of the prayer breakfast. He was invited to the prayer breakfast because he was already famous.

Want to do a poll? I would be shocked if the majority, or even a sizable minority, of our RPF community had heard of Carson at all before the prayer breakfast. And if he was that unknown to our RPF community then all the less so for the general public -- not a household name.