McDonalds Incident Proof Positive That We Need Our Full Gun Rights Restored

DerailingDaTrain said:
Edit: As for his past, it most definitely has something to do with it. Try arguing in court that a man's violent criminal past has nothing to do with his assault of someone and see how far that gets you and your client.
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He didn't assault them. They assaulted him. He defended himself.
He would have been fully justified in killing them outright. he showed mercy and did not.
But their beating was well deserved and justified.
 
DerailingDaTrain said:
They slapped him. Are you serious? Is anyone that big of a p&%^$ that they can't take a slap from a woman? It should have been handled by the police not a ex-con employee with a violent streak. Hell, if it was me I would have just walked away, I get to keep my job and you get arrested for assault. That's all the justice I'd need.
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And jumped the counter to go after him.

This is about as "justified self defense" as it gets without one of them pulling a gun or a knife or something. He had no way to know if they were coming to say mean things at him or if they were going to stab him with a knife or beat him up or whatever. In that kind of situation, its pretty damn hard to show "restraint".

If they didn't want to get beat to a pulp they shouldn't have jumped the counter and hit him.
 
DerailingDaTrain said:
I have watched this video at least 10 times and at no point do they follow him to the back. They get behind the counter and continue to insult him while he runs to the back to retrieve a weapon. Then, as the women plead for help, he beats them to the point where one has her skull cracked. That is not self defense it's getting pissed off because two women made you look like a punk in front of your co workers so you decided to physically assault them. Anyway, I worked at a McDonald's in my teens, and often was moved around to different restaurants to cover for people and I can certainly tell you that all of them have a room in the back with a phone and a door that locks. Lock the door, call the police, don't go back to jail. Seems very simple. Get over it and stop defending a criminal who murdered a boy he disagreed with.

Edit: As for his past, it most definitely has something to do with it. Try arguing in court that a man's violent criminal past has nothing to do with his assault of someone and see how far that gets you and your client.
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10 times, eh? Not much good it did you. Not self-defense? Yet again you missed the part where they assaulted him.

You take the door and phone, he took...

“When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right
to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by
force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense,
his assailant is killed, he is justified.” Runyan v. State, 57 Ind. 80;
Miller v. State, 74 Ind. 1.


Defending a criminal? I'm not defending those 2 women. :rolleyes:

I'm not in a court room, I'm in a forum commenting on a video you say you saw 10 times. His past has nothing to do with him getting assaulted by 2 attackers. And he didn't assault anyone, He was the one being Assaulted.
 
DerailingDaTrain said:
Edit: Again, he did not act in self defense as the law will show you, otherwise he wouldn't be charged with anything. But he is...why? Because when he hit them the first time and they fell down and started begging him to stop: He should've stopped!
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Uhm no. You are charged when they think you have broken the law. You then usually face a trial for a jury to determine if you broke the law.
Guess what. They didn't even decide to file charges!

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/mcd...11-days-grand-jury-testimony-article-1.986141
The McDonald’s cashier arrested for his supersized smackdown of two women who came around his counter to pick a fight has been cleared of all charges.
Rayon McIntosh, 31, was expected to be released from Rikers Friday night.

Prosecutors said a grand jury heard testimony for 11 days and voted to toss the case.

“We asked that Mr. McIntosh be released,” Assistant District Attorney Jaime Hickey-Mendoza said.
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i think a reasonable jury could go either way on this one. for the most part, the force he used was not unreasonable to defend himself against the two women. but, towards the end it is questionable whether or not he needed to keep hitting them. without being able to see behind the counter it is hard to say definitively that he was still acting in self defense. however, if he thought that they were armed then it is understandable that he would want to incapacitate them.
 
DerailingDaTrain said:
I can now see why so many people hate RP supporters. You guys stand up for murderers and women beaters and then deny they did any of that.
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c'mon. These 'women' tried to pass off a counterfeit 50 dollar bill, then proceeded to harass the employee before chasing him over the counter and back to the food prep area in a menacing fashion. Where do you think this was going? Do you think they were going to compliment him on his uniform?
 
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DerailingDaTrain said:
I can't imagine what you guys are like in real life. You must get into fights all the time with women who call you names
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If I was convinced that you are a real person, I'd ask some of the women I know to slap the sh!t out of you and see how much you are willing to take.
 
DerailingDaTrain said:
I can now see why so many people hate RP supporters. You guys stand up for murderers and women beaters and then deny they did any of that.
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Whether he killed a guy earlier or not is irrelevant to what he actually did. If he shot these women dead or beat them for no good reason and was charged, it would affect his sentencing but it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he was defending himself in this situation. People who do bad things in the past shouldn't be prevented from defending themselves.

Woman beaters? Well shit, what would have happened if those two women were, say, black men or Latino men? If THEY hit a cashier in the face and then jumped the counter to go after him the idiots on the news wouldn't be saying it was "unprovoked" at all. But apparently women are exempt from simple rules like "don't hit cashiers and scream at them in a restaurant" and "don't gang up on a cashier and chase after him in the restaurant to beat him up". There are a variety of moral precepts and laws that made his actions entirely justified. What happened to "everyone is equal under the law"?
 
people seem to be judging this guy based on his criminal history. it should make no difference in court whether this guy was an eagle scout or serial killer in the past. he can only be judged on his actions on this specific occasion. i'd be interested to know if either of the two women had a criminal record and then here what people have to say.
 
What happened with this? Was he charged, or what?


*I've only read the last few posts*
 
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