McCain HAS NOT WON THE NOMINATION!

[Bradley in DC]

I envision that when nomination time comes all the RP-loyal delegates will vote for RP (however many that may be, I doubt its more than 30% though)

At this point (and may states still to go!), Dr. Paul does not qualify to be nominated at the convention and couldn't get any votes. We need all of our supporters in the upcoming voting states to keep up the fight--it's a two man race now.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=104384

 

[wv@SC]

It doesn't matter to me whether or not this country has decided to make McCain the Republican nominee, or the media selected the Republican nominee for us, or that there is widespread voter fraud.

I WILL NOT VOTE FOR MCCAIN, OBAMA, OR CLINTON IN THE GENERAL ELECTION!

If it's possible to proselytize delegates and sway the convention in favor of Ron Paul, all well and good. It doesn't matter to me, though.

IT'S TIME TO DO WHAT WE SAID WE WOULD. We should all make sure that our votes will be legally counted as valid write-ins for Ron Paul. We have 8 months to make sure our state election commissions have their ducks in a row with this.

I WILL NOT ALLOW THE REST OF THE COUNTRY, AS DUPED AS THEY ARE, TO DECIDE FOR ME WHOM I WILL VOTE FOR IN NOVEMBER!

WHO IS WITH ME IN THIS?????

 

[bucfish]

Not really most states have bound delegates only if he wins 50% of the vote. All states rules are different. But despite what the MSM reports a nominee is not truly selected until the National Convention. And anything can happen between now and September especially with someone involved in so many scandals and in Bad Health such as McCain.

 

[jointhefightforfreedom]

Hey bradley!!
I have had some issues with you arguing about the delegate process in other messages!

Well i would like to inform you i was right and i am now officially a delegate and precinct secretary

 

[TC95]

Now we must start getting TONS of money for the Indy run.

Nope. Not gonna happen. If you're saving your money for an Indy run, you may as well go spend it on something else if you're not going to give it to the present campaign because an Indy run will. not. happen.

 

[jab]

WHO IS WITH ME IN THIS?????

I am!! How could I possibly sleep at night after voting for Hillary, Obama, or McCrazy?? Never happen.. A write-in it will be; RP all the way.

 

[georgiaboy]

Where you see hopelessness, I see large opportunity

your ignorance astounds me, maybe you havent been around for the past 3 months?
we have a hell of a hard time getting 10% in a state... how do you think we can pull the majority of delegates if we are pulling these kinda of numbers? i think the last time i checked we got 5% of the vote in texas.. not trying to be a troll or anything im just being realistic here. we've done great funding but as far as reaching to the general public we are doing horribly.. the person who said we would be in iraq for 100 years, in a country that 60-70% oppose the same war is WINNING. RP needs to bust out with something freaking AMAZING that would not only wake up some delegates but the general public IE. SHEEPS!!! really dont see your point of saying its far from over.. the establishment won this battle, but not the war IMO.

I agree that breaking out would be nice, but it is not necessary for victory.
I understand yours and others call for realism, in that many indicators point to McCain's eventual nomination. However, ignorance not withstanding, I will stand by my statement that this is not over by far. We're down 50-0 in the third quarter, with one quarter left to play. What shall we do now? I guess your team would cut & run. My team would not.
This is not over by far.
McCain's nomination is absolutely, positively, not sealed at this point, and anyone who believes that is absolutely incorrect.
Delegate selection and their associated binding to a candidate are very different processes from primary voting. Each state has its own rules. Have you read yours? There are many threads that discuss this.
Ron Paul advocates have proven themselves nothing if not motivated to act. If our motivation will carry forward into the remaining primaries, the states' national delegate selection processes and beyond, the presumed outcome can in fact be changed and Ron Paul can secure the nomination.
Find out the delegate selection process in your state and get involved.
Become a delegate to the national convention or vote for RP'ers to become those national delegates.
At national, vote how you're obligated (or not, as you choose - check your state laws for penalties) until you're legally able to vote your conscience.
Ron Paul wins the nomination.
This is not over by far.
Get to work.

georgiaboy

 

[Liberty_is_NORML]

You guys are living in a freaking dream land.

There is ZERO realistic chance of Paul winning the nomination.

Spread the message of liberty instead of wasting your time trying to convince us that Ron still has a chance.

Damn, guys...

 

[sadunkal]

Act

Spread the message of liberty instead of wasting your time trying to convince us that Ron still has a chance.

Damn, guys...

If the message is spread a lot more efficiently, then he still has a chance.

People have to explode with enthusiasm, we need to show how much we care about Ron Paul winning, then they will begin to wonder why we care so much, and that's the key.

No other candidate has supporters with so much passion and the world needs so see this. This isn't going to happen in internet.
The hope we lose returns us as energy, and we can spread that energy if we want.
It's only about the truth: I doubt that anyone who sees "Freedom to Fascism" and "The Corporation" in combination with John Perkins' confessions can support any other than Ron Paul (Add "Outfoxed" and "Power of Nightmares" to that list for McCain supporters).
Simply by giving your neighbours a cd with the information or just by inviting them over can make a huge change if every Ron Paul supporter does it.
Inform frenzy!

If McCain becomes the president we have soo much to lose,
If Ron Paul becomes the president we have sooo much to win.
It's not just "we" it's also "they" but they don't know it.
It's the whole world in fact, whole planet, every species on it.

But the point is, the difference will be so extremely huge that it's worth making almost every sacrifice, even if it costs your iPod and your comfort.

 

[Sevryn45]

McCain wrapped it up last night, stop with this conspiracy shit. Ron Paul has not won a state NOT 1, and you need to win 5 states to even qualify as a nominee.
Ron Paul has less the 50 pledged delegates, you conspiracy theorists seriously believe that the 50 delgates paul has will overtake Mcain's 1200+. There is no brokered convention, Huckabbe lost and got squashed and could not stop Mccain from getting to the magic # of delegates.

 

[speciallyblend]

then ill save my money to pay my bills

Nope. Not gonna happen. If you're saving your money for an Indy run, you may as well go spend it on something else if you're not going to give it to the present campaign because an Indy run will. not. happen.

my money will go to ron paul once he has a solid plan for after the convention. he needs to speak up asap,but if he isnt planning on running in a general election,then ill plan to pay my debt before i send it off. Ron Paul is my write in candidate but if he is going to adandon his message over a lil party loyalty.when the republiocan party has done everything possible to keep the true republican message down then so be it.

I will donate more money once we get some clarification. i see no point in pouring more of my hard earned money ,unless he runs in the general election. I'm already a delegate. we dont need to send more money . We are in the delegate process ,if people are not involved already in the republican primary then they will not be involved. My vote in general is already ron paul.
We need to hold the gops feet to the fire NOW.they showed no mercy on ron paul.So we show no mercy to the republican party when they cant even follow their own platform.

 

[clintontj72]

McCain wrapped it up last night, stop with this conspiracy shit. Ron Paul has not won a state NOT 1, and you need to win 5 states to even qualify as a nominee.
Ron Paul has less the 50 pledged delegates, you conspiracy theorists seriously believe that the 50 delgates paul has will overtake Mcain's 1200+. There is no brokered convention, Huckabbe lost and got squashed and could not stop Mccain from getting to the magic # of delegates.

You DO NOT need to win 5 states to qualify as a nominee. You must get the majority of delegate votes from 5 states to be voted on as a nominee. If McCain were not to pick up the nomination in the first round and RP delegates become unbound(a bunch of states unbind after 1 round of balloting) then RP could theoretically pull in one or more state delegate majorities and it could go to a third round unlocking more.

However, you are correct in saying that this is a very slim chance it seems...but some of us like to ponder and have a little hope.

RULE NO. 40

Nominations

(a) In making the nominations for President of the United States and Vice President of the United States and voting thereon, the roll of the states shall be called separately in each case; provided, however, that if there is only one candidate for nomination for Vice President of the United States who has demonstrated the support required by paragraph (b) of this rule, a motion to nominate for such office by acclamation shall be in order and no calling of the roll with respect to such office shall be required.

(b) Each candidate for nomination for President of the United States and Vice President of the United States shall demonstrate the support of a majority of the delegates from each of five (5) or more states, severally, prior to the presentation of the name of that candidate for nomination.

(c) The total time of the nominating speech and seconding speeches for any candidate for nomination for President of the United States or Vice President of the United States shall not exceed fifteen (15) minutes.

(d) When at the close of a roll call any candidate for nomination for President of the United States or Vice President of the United States has received a majority of the votes entitled to be cast in the convention, the chairman of the convention shall declare that the candidate has been nominated.

(e) If no candidate shall have received such majority, the chairman of the convention shall direct the roll of the states be called again and shall repeat the calling of the roll until a candidate shall have received a majority of the votes entitled to be cast in the convention.

(f) For the 2004 Republican National Convention, notwithstanding any other provision of these rules or any Rule of the House of Representatives, it shall be in the discretion of the Chair to suspend the roll call conducted to nominate the candidate for President of the United States at any time in order to conduct other Convention business under the established order of business.

 

[Sevryn45]

(b) Each candidate for nomination for President of the United States and Vice President of the United States shall demonstrate the support of a majority of the delegates from each of five (5) or more states, severally, prior to the presentation of the name of that candidate for nomination.

You made my point for me,

Nominee needs at least 5 states, McCain won vast majority of them; how many did Ron Paul win?

ZERO

 

[Shaun]

Anyone take me on my standing bet?
I have bet ANYONE HERE on this forum $1,000 at 100-1 odds that McStupid is the GOP nominee.
Why? To shut the morons up here UP about RP winning the nomination.
Talk about stupid and delusional......
Mercifully he won his congressional seat back so now at least HE will get back to some sensible work.
What about you Kool Aiders?

 

[jason43]

I wish Paul would just come out and say what the plan is.

All this talk reminds me of billionaire supporters, secret plans gone by, and we're going to win New Hampshire in a landslide.

Most of it has been created by us as a way to justify what has happened. We need to get to work on congress, or draft another third party candidate.

 

[Sevryn45]

RP is done, he was done a long time ago; he does not have the support needed and the primeries proved it. Hell RP got squashed in Texas and that's his home state.

He won ZERO states, and McCain clinched the nomination last night and Huckabee could not stop him.... what does that tell you people? THERE WILL BE NO BROKERED CONVENTION, it's over.

People who think that RP will win the nomination now when he goes to the convention are delusional, seriously he has less then 50 delegates thats pathetic considering he spent well over $30 million.

 

[Melissa]

You made my point for me,

Nominee needs at least 5 states, McCain won vast majority of them; how many did Ron Paul win?

ZERO

And Garfield was not even a nominee and the next day won it, I really think those of you that say it is over have been watching 2 much tv turn it off and realize who has the power--the people at the convention --and who are they --some of us are working on them being us while the rest of you bitch. So for those becoming delegates keep up the fight and the rest of you stay tuned to the tv we will let you know how it turns out

 

[Sevryn45]

the people at the convention --and who are they --some of us are working on them being us while the rest of you bitch.

THOSE DELEGATES ARE PLEDGED, they can't vote for anyone other than McCain unless we have a Brokered convention...... which we dont.

 

[jason43]

If Paul was going to keep running a real campaign, then do it. If he is going to stop campaigning, then just drop out, wish McCain the best of luck (because he will lose) and form a PAC to promote likeminded candidates.

I just wish people would focus on the other candidates we have going. All this effort on delegates is just wasted time. We should focus on congress and on the other candidates that are running.

 

[jason43]

I'm glad we are going to be represented at the convention. I hope we can pass a resolution to end the war. How would that be as a smack in the face to McCain??? If nothing else, that would be great... then there is the booing him when he comes out whether you vote for him or not.

It will be good to be there, but don't think we are winning this thing outright, its not happening.