Maybe this atrocity could win Ron the Florida voters:

[silk30]

Ugh, and the high majority of people currently going through that and those that will have to endure it won't make a peep about it. Or even question it. Scary times.

 

[Aratus]

lets look at this dispassionately. the elderly people who have to go into the social security office thought they were seeing an ATF drug raid or a military coup.

 

[Professor8000]

Really, if people haven't woken up by now... they're not going to.

 

[jcarcinogen]

Florida is already a police state.

 

[Slobodan]

I remember 20 years ago in Belgrade, the state put thousands of cops on the streets I was walking to the train station to emigrate to America via Bulgaria and had to walk through 100+ cops standing in the street.

If American people don't stand up for Liberty, I'm afraid to live that scene all over again! We need to speak up and protect the greatest liberty document in human history the US Constitution!

 

[amyre]

Doubt it, most of the older folks around here would have cheered them shooting someone, most of the older people I've talked to in Florida truly believe there are terrorists everywhere, and that this military-like presence is just great.

As much as it kills me to admit it I agree. As long as they keep believing they're coming for "someone else" and ensuring public "safety" you won't hear a peep here. Ron Paul has support in Florida, but it's not from that generation from what I've seen. We've been working on my father in law and his family for almost year to no avail. You'd think Fox News was the Holy Grail of information. Bleh.

 

[Student Of Paulism]

The problem with the old farts, especially the really old ones from just after WW2 (1945-1955) is they are doped up on this bs exceptionalism of 'America The Great' and that we have to 'be the best' at everything, at all costs. They have this false sense of patriotism, and sorry to say, but a lot of these types think their shit smells like roses and they are also very racist. They have no understanding of other cultures around the world, nor any respect for them and think everyone in those countries are 'the enemy' and are very condescending and belittle them constantly. I had family (step-family) who lived in Melborne, FL, years ago (early 90s) and its pretty much a completely white old people's retirement city and littered with gated condos (was the worst week of my life, until i was able to hang in St Aug, Daytona and then Miami afterward, it was like watching paint dry in that f'n place). But yea, virtually all of them had that same mentality and those types simply will NEVER vote for RP, so don't even waste your time on them, it's hopeless.

 

[LibertyEagle]

The problem with the old farts, especially the really old ones from just after WW2 (1945-1955) is they are doped up on this bs exceptionalism of 'America The Great' and that we have to 'be the best' at everything, at all costs. They have this false sense of patriotism, and sorry to say, but a lot of these types think their shit smells like roses and they are also very racist. They have no understanding of other cultures around the world, nor any respect for them and think everyone in those countries are 'the enemy' and are very condescending and belittle them constantly. I had family (step-family) who lived in Melborne, FL, years ago (early 90s) and its pretty much a completely white old people's retirement city and littered with gated condos (was the worst week of my life, until i was able to hang in St Aug, Daytona and then Miami afterward, it was like watching paint dry in that f'n place). But yea, virtually all of them had that same mentality and those types simply will NEVER vote for RP, so don't even waste your time on them, it's hopeless.

You mean "old farts" like Ron Paul and Lew Rockwell?

There is nothing wrong with wanting America to be exceptional. I want that too. I also realize that the only way for our country to bring back that exceptionalism and keep it, is if government is constrained.

But, I am deducing that you are probably not the best person to campaign to anyone over the age of 50. You know, the vast majority of the voting public. Maybe you should work on converting people more your age, eh? Freedom lovers, all.

 

[Brick-in-the-Wall]

These people have just moved on from Communist to Terrorist.

Remember the Red Scare and "Kill a Commie for Mommy?"

It reminds me of the movie Super 8 where people were asking, "Are there communist in town stealing our car engines?" I asked my dad about that because people can't be that stupid, right? He said, "Nope, people were truly afraid that the Communist were all over the world sneaking into America waiting for the right time to 'turn us' and were coming to get us."

I mean it's this same line of logic that got 50,000+ Americans killed in Vietnam. We MUST stop the Communist.

Now we have moved on. We MUST stop the terrorist.

 

[Moebedda]

This is really starting to happen. They are breaking us in to accept the police state.

 

[BKom]

http://www.infowars.com/dhs-officer...atics-set-up-unannounced-id-checkpoint/print/

Shocking.

If Alex Jones is saying it, nobody else will be. Nobody on the planet considers infowars a credible news source. Even when Jones is right, he's wrong because he so often hypes things that turn out to be non-stories to everyone but Ron supporters.

 

[Brick-in-the-Wall]

If Alex Jones is saying it, nobody else will be. Nobody on the planet considers infowars a credible news source. Even when Jones is right, he's wrong because he so often hypes things that turn out to be non-stories to everyone but Ron supporters.

Don't link to InfoWars then.

The best thing he does is provide links to other places reporting it. I just use those to help back up claims because once people see "InfoWars," right or wrong their mind shuts.

 

[BKom]

Don't link to InfoWars then.

The best thing he does is provide links to other places reporting it. I just use those to help back up claims because once people see "InfoWars," right or wrong their mind shuts.

That's kind of my point. Alex Jones is never going to report anything that gets media traction. And tying Ron to Alex, who is not really interested in helping Ron or anyone but himself, is a mistake.

 

[newbitech]

I wish the educated people on this forum would drop the Florida Chamber of Commerse MEME that says "Florida is an Old People State".

I hear people talk about Florida as being "nothing but old people" and other similar type phrases that characterize the marjority of Florida's population as retirees and old people and this is just flat wrong.

If you want to get educated about Florida, and not swallow the Real Estate and Chamber of Commerce catch phrases to attract older people to this state, a good place to start is downloading this excel file from the census. http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0016.xls

He is some cursory research provided for you.

Median age is 40.7 which ranks 5th. Florida is NOT the state with the oldest median population!
"over 65" population ranks 2nd. Florida is NOT the state with the MOST "over 65 population!
"45-54" ranks 4th, "55-64" ranks 3rd
"55-59" ranks 4th, "60-64" ranks 3rd
"65-74" ranks 2nd
"75-84" ranks 2nd
"85+" ranks 2nd

THE ONLY category that Florida Ranks the Highest is a percentage based category!
17.3 PERCENT of the population in Florida is over 65.

What exactly does that say? Well I will tell you what it DOES NOT SAY.
It doesn't say that there are MORE old people than young people.

So what about young people in Florida?

"18-24" Ranks 4th - That is equal to the 11th (North Carolina) and 12th (Virginia) ranked states "18-24" COMBINED
"25-34" Ranks 4th - That is ALSO equal to the 11th (Michigan) and 12th (New Jersey) ranked states "25-34" COMBINED
"35-44" Ranks 4th - Ditto the above

Florida has 6.5 MILLION People "18-44" That is more than the TOTAL populations of 36 STATES!
Florida has 4 MILLION People "18-34" That is more than the TOTAL populations of 24 STATES!

As a percentage of TOTAL USA population "18-44" (5.7%), "18-34"(5.6%), "18-24"(5.7%) Ranks 4th.

Florida just 1 of 43 States that has "45+" GREATER THAN "18-44". In other words, only 7 states have "18-44" populations larger than "45+"

Yes, Florida does have a higher ratio of "45+" : "18-44" my question is...

SO WHAT? Almost every state has a higher ratio. This does not mean that the other statistics in regards to the YOUTH in this state should be ignored! That is just ludicrous!

ESPECIALLY in a campaign that touts the youth vote!

Come on people, you are smart, lose the meme and stop ostricizing the VAST majority of your peers if YOU are YOUNG and do NOT live in FLORIDA!

 

[JohnGalt23g]

As a life long Florida resident, I can tell you Ron Paul has support here. I saw a group of 25 of 30 people in Pensacola waving signs for Dr. Paul several weeks ago. The campaign can do well here, but they've got to make a big effort IMHO.

The problem is making a big effort in FLA costs a helluva lot of money, and we would have to win, because it is winner-take-all. It's just not worth it, in a state that, IMHO, we have zero chance of winning in a primary.

 

[newbitech]

The problem is making a big effort in FLA costs a helluva lot of money, and we would have to win, because it is winner-take-all. It's just not worth it, in a state that, IMHO, we have zero chance of winning in a primary.

Worth what? Seriously. Assuming that Ron Paul's campaign goes down that road that seems to be the concensus "IMHO", do you think that is an effective strategy in the other key areas of campaign performance?

Yes, trade in the fact that no delegates can be won. Along with that, trade in any kind of momentum that can be gained over the next 2 weeks. Trade in any kind of expectation that the Florida activist will want to continue trying to fund raise for what is effectively an invisible candidate, trade in any kind of media coverage other than, "Ron Paul doesn't have the resources to compete on the largest political stage", EXPECT to get relentless attacks from the Florida media whom the campaign will ignore, expect the debates to have anti-Paul crowds, expect the Florida newspapers who will be hosting the debate to point out the FACT, that Ron Paul cannot run a competitive national campaign and completely lacks the resources to bring a worthwhile message to SO FAR the LARGEST population and one of the LARGEST populations in the primary.

Yeah, it's totally worth saving the money it would take to open up just ONE campaign office. It's totally worth the money it would take to sponsor rallies and be accessible to the press. AND BOY is it worth the $825k to run with the BIG DOGS who will be putting out T.V. ads and are willing to take the risk to what?

WIN IT.

Sheesh.. So demoralizing. What the hell are we fighting for?

Edit: Just wanted to say. I hammered this topic all day yesterday. Not getting in to it again today. If Florida is not worth the campaign's time and energy, it will be up to us, the grassroots of Florida to watch the back of everyone else who thinks the state is a lost cause. Thanks, I will take that burden.

 

[Zachary]

Isn'tFla. winner take all?

 

[newbitech]

Isn'tFla. winner take all?

Yeah, but so what? The campaign is pushing a 2 man race strategy. What does that have to do with WTA? Read!

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...imaries-still-essentially-winner-take-all.php

Looking at the March states and matching 2012 to 2008, the most frequent response to the rules changes was for states to tack on a conditional element to their allocation rules. Ohio, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Vermont and Virginia — all Super Tuesday states — added a conditional element to their allocation rules. Winner-take-all allocation is dependent upon a candidate receiving over 50% of the vote, statewide and/or on the congressional district level. This is an important point. That 50% threshold is really going to play a role if the field has been winnowed down to just two candidates. Actually, FHQ has made this point before: The fewer candidates there are, the more likely it is that someone breaks 50% of the vote, and subsequently takes all the delegates in any of these conditional states.

And just think about Virginia, where only two candidates will be on the ballot — Mitt Romney and Ron Paul — thanks to some major blunders by Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry, and a lack of any organization at all by the other candidates. Having only two candidates on the ballot guarantees that either Romney or Paul will walk away with a solid 46 delegates, and none left over for anyone else.

So I guess since it is winner take all, it's not worth competing in. Right? Sheesh..













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[Kharan]

Good god this is frightening. Regular folks, they just don't care. And they won't care all the way to the camps...

 

[Carole]

This is why after a certain age, old people shouldn't be allowed to vote. Unless they can prove they're in sound mind and body. They made my granny prove that she wasn't too old to drive. Same concept.

Excuse me, but then one would have to do the same with the young people who are uninformed, then the rest of the uniformed. there would be few people remaining qualified to vote. Sorry, but even the stupid must be permitted to vote.