Maybe I've just got my happy shades on, but...

[affa]

I think we're doing quite well.

I think Ron Paul's letter was just fine. As I mentioned in that thread, I thought it might help shore up the Republican base - he publicly announced that he would never think of running 3rd party, which gets 'loyalty' points.

It shows that he is loyal to Texas and his position in Congress, also important.

It shows that he is realistic - the media can no longer portray him as a kook for thinking he has a chance (even though we know he does!)

Now, yes, we overreacted yesterday. I think that's in part due to a few well placed 'I quits' in the discussion which set the tone for morale loss. Note that those were also the people vocal in the Third Party Run divisiveness. Divisive and demoralizing posters are not on our team, even if they think they are.

But today? Canvas. Donate. Support his presidential run. Support his congressional run.

Nothing has changed. He hasn't dropped out - he's still running.

That's important so I'll repeat: Nothing has changed. He sent out an email. That's all. We still have a chance of a brokered convention, however slim. It's OUR responsibility to make it happen.

We're in this to win this.

 

[jrich4rpaul]

Post of the day!

 

[DirtMcGirt]

The more delegates the more time he gets to speak at the convention...whether it's brokered or not... his message will still be getting out...

 

[affa]

The more delegates the more time he gets to speak at the convention...whether it's brokered or not... his message will still be getting out...

And brokered conventions have been won with less delegates than he already has - and without the pre-planning we've done which only increases his chances.

 

[dima7b]

Bump!

The letter was just fine I think, and I think it's really important we secure his congressional run first since it is happening soon and then once we do that, we can again focus easily on his presidential run.

 

[drexhex]

In 1860 Lincoln won the nomination with 22 delegates.

 

[JSutter]

Exactly. He finally said "There will be no third party candidacy". He pretty much just said you've got three choices left. Choose Liberal leaning McCain and lose in November. Choose Huckabee, win the South, lose the rest of America. Choose me and with your support and the grassroots we can win this thing. I'm a Republican and not switching so stand with me"

At first I saw it as a message of defeat until I reread it several times and saw it for what it was. It's a good move. There are serious questions arising now about whether McCain is conservative enough and whether he can win in November. People are starting to have "buyers remorse" now that they see what they've gotten and might be feeling like taking it back to get something better.

 

[coffeewithchess]

In 1860 Lincoln won the nomination with 22 delegates.

Where is the link to this? I "Googled" for it last night, but couldn't find the original source.

 

[The Good Doctor]

QFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In 1860 Lincoln won the nomination with 22 delegates.

 

[NinjaPirate]

In 1860 Lincoln won the nomination with 22 delegates.

Out of how many?

Plus, we'd have a better chance of finding a needle in a haystack than RP getting the nod for the GOP ticket. But I've seen stranger things happen.

 

[clintontj72]

He definitely chose the tough choice...takes cahones to do that...let's get out there and vote for him!

 

[pacelli]

Where is the link to this? I "Googled" for it last night, but couldn't find the original source.

I'm not sure about the 22 delegate win, but I found this:

Finally, the third day arrived. One thousand Seward men marched behind a smartly uniformed brass band. They wound their way noisily through Chicago’s streets, playing the song “Oh, Isn’t He a Darling?” and finally arrived triumphantly in front of the Wigwam. To their horror, they found that they could not get in: the Lincoln men, admitted with their counterfeit tickets, had taken their seats.

Still, Seward had his share of support. When his name was offered in nomination, tremendous applause went up from the audience--followed by louder applause for Lincoln. The crowd quickly recognized them as the front-runners when the other candidates received less enthusiastic commendation.

When Seward’s name was seconded, the demonstration was so vociferous that “hundreds of persons stopped their ears in pain.” But when Lincoln’s nomination was seconded, the uproar was “beyond description.”

Leonard Swett, a friend of Lincoln’s, said that “Five thousand people leaped to their seats, women not wanting, and the wild yell made vesper breathings of all that had preceded. A thousand steam whistles, ten acres of hotel gongs, a tribe of Comanches might have mingled in the scene unnoticed.”

Holding their breath

After the first ballot, Seward, as expected, led with 173 votes. Lincoln was next with 102. Cameron received 50; Chase got 49; Bates 48; and the rest received a handful each.

A second ballot was immediately called for, and the Lincoln camp knew that their man would gain strength. Vermont was the first state to make a major shift--all 10 votes went to Lincoln, a significant blow to Seward. As the roll call continued, Lincoln gained a few votes here and a few there, while Seward’s tally remained largely unchanged.

When Pennsylvania’s turn came, the Lincoln men held their breath. Whereas only four votes from Pennsylvania went to Lincoln on the first ballot, a whopping 48 went to him on the second. Seward supporters sank in their seats. Lincoln clearly had the momentum. The final tally on the second ballot was 184 for Seward and 181 for Lincoln.

A hush fell
Ballot three began. Lincoln continued to pick up votes--4 more from Kentucky, 15 from Ohio--while Seward lost votes. When the pencils stopped scratching, Lincoln had 231 and a half votes--one and a half short of those needed for the nomination.

A hush fell, and all eyes turned toward D. K. Cartter of Ohio, who stuttered out: “I-I arise, Mr. Chairman, to a-announce the ch-change of four votes, from Mr. Chase to Abraham Lincoln!” For a moment, the audience was silent--then it erupted. The sound was so deafening that the only way people could tell that cannons outside the Wigwam were being fired was by watching the smoke drift from the barrels.

http://www.greatamericanhistory.net/nomination.htm

 

[Roxi]

bump....

 

[jeff43]

You just figured out that things aren't going well? McCain is about 400 delegates away from the win. Paul is over 1,000 away and he's basically quit and is focusing on his Congressional seat. There's absolutely no chance of a brokered convention and Paul even admits it. It's over. Focus on Paul getting re-elected in Congress and others like him getting into Congress. McCain will get closer to the nomination with 3 more victories today.

 

[fabijo]

In 1860 Lincoln won the nomination with 22 delegates.

He also gave out tons of counterfeit tickets to his supporters and had them show up early to the convention so that his opponents wouldn't have seats.

 

[affa]

You just figured out that things aren't going well? McCain is about 400 delegates away from the win. Paul is over 1,000 away and he's basically quit and is focusing on his Congressional seat. There's absolutely no chance of a brokered convention and Paul even admits it. It's over. Focus on Paul getting re-elected in Congress and others like him getting into Congress. McCain will get closer to the nomination with 3 more victories today.

17 posts. You lose the internet.

 

[affa]

James A. Garfield won a brokered convention and he wasn't even a candidate. It went up to thirty something successive votes. He only showed up in the mid thirties.

 

[jeff43]

17 posts. You lose the internet.

"Let me tell you my thoughts. With Romney gone, the chances of a brokered convention are nearly zero." -Ron Paul

"I also have another priority. I have constituents in my home district that I must serve. I cannot and will not let them down. And I have another battle I must face here as well. If I were to lose the primary for my congressional seat, all our opponents would react with glee, and pretend it was a rejection of our ideas. I cannot and will not let that happen." -Ron Paul

Delegate count: John McCain 724 Ron Paul 14 Needed to win: 1,191

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/republican_delegate_count.html

Tell me what I said that was wrong and why I lose. Do you think McCain is going to lose Louisiania, Washington, or Kansas to Ron Paul? I don't. Just because I don't have many posts doesn't make me any less smarter than you. People need to start realizing that here or nobody new is going to want to stay here.

 

[break4me]

Wow Jeff, could you be any more anti-Paul? Do you work for FauxNews or something?

Every one here, except you, knows Paul has more than 14 delegates. You have a little reading up to do, I guess.

 

[jeff43]

Wow Jeff, could you be any more anti-Paul? Do you work for FauxNews or something?

Every one here, except you, knows Paul has more than 14 delegates. You have a little reading up to do, I guess.

I'm just going by what I see on the rcp website. RCP seems like a decent website wouldn't you say? Where does Paul have more delegates at this very moment? I know he has at least 3 more from the WV Huckabee deal, but where else is RCP wrong and prove it with a verifiable source please.