Massive (new) Cain gaffe (like on Perrys level) lol

parocks said:
Ok, well I did watch it again. I did understand his answer when he got to it. There was a bad minute at the top.

This was not worse than Perry. Perry was given the time to finish his sentence about his own plan. And he just couldn't. Never seen that before. I want to do 3 things as President. 1, 2, and I forget 3. We'll give you all the time you need. Sorry, nope.

The Libya question is a somewhat tricky question.

We could've answered the Libya question right. Every single person here would've said "stay out of Libya"

right?

that's the good answer we all would've come up with. You don't need to know much to get that answer.

The problem all Republicans have, pretty much except Ron Paul, is that they agree with a Liberal Democrat on Foreign Policy. And they have to try really really hard
to explain why their position is any different from Obama's. And Cain pretty much admits that he's not comfortable with the specifics. And people don't seem to care. He goes out of his way to say that he's a manager who hires good people. He's setting out an average Republican foreign policy, and promises to hire competent average Republican foreign policy experts. He ran a pizza shop. Give him a break.
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OMG could you please watch the video just one more time and tell us all what you think of it afterwards? :rolleyes:
 
jbuttell said:
Yep, basically. I think I get parocks point that it wasn't as bad as what Perry did... but I only agree in respects that most people who don't pay attention will recognize Perry's gaffe because it only took a minute, but just get completely lost with what Cain said since it stretched on for so long. This just confirms what I already thought about Cain.
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I just analyzed the first minute and a half line by line.

What I'm finding most interesting is that he did come right back on track exactly where he derailed.

C - "I do not agree with the way he handled it for the following reason."
(derail)
"i would have done a better job determining who the opposition is"

And then he did about 4 minutes of talking about the process of determining who the opposition is.

That 20-30 part was bad though.

I don't compare it to Perry. Perry was given a minute to finish a sentence about his own plan and was unable to do it.

Cain lost 20-30 seconds in trying to describe his disagreement with Obama. And it was a fairly theoretical one "knowing the oppostion better" or whatever.
He wants to disagree with Obama. After all, Obama is a leftist, and if a conservative agrees with a leftist, doesn't that mean the conservative is really a leftist?

How can you say that Cain's foreign policy is a true conservative foreign policy, when it's 100% indistinguishable from the foreign policy of the most leftist president ever.

This, by the way, is our opportunity. Go over to freerepublic and WIN the foreign policy debate. I personally cannot see how Cain would've done anything different from Obama. Ron Paul disagrees with the Liberal, Leftist Obama. You agree with the Liberal, Leftist Obama. Yet you claim that Ron Paul is Kooky, and you're Conservative.
We are the conservatives. Irving Kristol was on the Hubert Humphrey task force, and was a Trotskyite. I guess you can say Ron Paul has a pre Trotsky Conservative Foreign Policy. The type of Conservative Foreign Policy that is distinguishable from the Liberal Democrat Obama's foreign policy.
 
parocks said:
I just analyzed the first minute and a half line by line.

What I'm finding most interesting is that he did come right back on track exactly where he derailed.

C - "I do not agree with the way he handled it for the following reason."
(derail)
"i would have done a better job determining who the opposition is"
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Except that isn't an answer. It's the same thing he always says about everything - I would need to talk to advisers, assess the information, and come up with a solution".

That is not an answer. Perhaps in one isolated, hypothetical situation it would be an answer -- but it's his go-to answer in every situation. That is evidence that he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about in any situation -- but simply says something that sounds intelligent -- "i'd talk to experts, i'd assess the situation, and I'd act. Now.. what was the question again?"

Why have you spent like 5 posts defending Cain?
 
affa said:
After that disastrous first minute, he just turtled up into standard Cain rhetoric.

Cain: "I would need to talk to everybody, analyze all the facts, and then my solution would be better than [fill in the blank]'s solution."

"So you'd do something differently?"

Cain: "Perhaps you didn't hear me. I did not say that, nor did I not not say that. I said, I would need to talk to my advisors, and get ALL the facts, so that I could analyze them and develop a BOLD plan that is far superior to what was done."

"So your superior plan, then, would be different from what was done?"

Cain: "I did not say that."

This is all the man says. Ever. I can't believe anyone supports him for any reason. I mean, seriously, the last 4 minutes after that terrible first minute was him repeating non-answers.
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Here's where we have the Republicans. We have them beat on Foreign Policy.

If you're so Conservative, Herman Cain, how come it's so difficult for you to describe how you differ from Obama on Libya.

Obama is a Liberal. And you agree with him, except for some vague generalities about knowing the opponent.

Ron Paul disagrees with the Liberal. Are you sure that you are the Conservative. It seems to me like Ron Paul is the conservative.

Maybe Ron Paul is just a preTrotsky Conservative. Before Irving Kristol and the Trotskyites made you believe that a "conservative" foreign policy could be indistinguishable from a Liberal Foreign Policy.
 
Who cares if it was like perry or not. It was bad, Cain's an idiot, and he should not be our president. He's just as qualified as the next 'pizza guy' (imo). To any normal person, Cain looks like an idiot in this video, I care not about the Cain defenders
 
Perry's gaffe while embarrassing and at the worst possible moment, could happen to anyone. But Cain's reactions appear as if he is trying to memorize what his advisors have rehearsed him to say on certain topics. You immediately notice how he is squirming in his seat, and then he looks up as if his mind is scrolling through a list of responses that he has had to learn. I get the sense that this guy is so arrogant in his ability to sell himself to people, that he probably believes that he can get through any short comings by his slick, used car salesman speeches. Hopefully he's starting to realize that he may be in way over his head.
 
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Journalist: So you agree with President Obama with healthcare or not?

Cain: ok healthcare ......

Cain: President Obama supported Obamacare, correct? He was for individual mandate... let's make sure we're talking about the same thing before i say yes i agree or no i didn't agree. humm i do not agree with the way he handled it for the following reasons. No noo that's a different one...
Journalist: Answer the damn question!
Cain: In what respect Charlie?
Journalist: My name is not Charlie!

*Everyone in the room facepalm*
 
He had stock answers memorized for any question, and was shuffling the rolodex of his mind for what went where.

Like Ron Paul says, if you're telling the truth, you don't have to prepare.
 
How many times in my life am I speaking to someone and want to say a word but can't think of it? Plenty. I think that is a very, very common experience for those of us who do not do public speaking, and for whom our powers of rhetoric and so forth have not been honed in politics, acting, entertainment, and so forth.

But, I can remember concepts quite well, as it is not just memorization. Perry did not forget that his position was that he wanted to cut departments, or how his stated plan differed from that of Obama's. Here, Cain needs reassurance that "Obama supported the uprising." Then he spends 5 minutes stating that he would have done a better job, but offers no specifics on how Obama did a bad job.

This was definitely worse than Perry. What Perry did was the sort of soundbite-type of thing that comedians, media, and so forth like to make fun of, but it is unsubstantial. It does not show that Perry is dumb, it means that he is a lousy public speaker, like GW Bush was, and also he has some confidence/esteem issues, as the problem was of his own making.

Cain saying that China is working on a nuclear program (!) in 2011 and not being certain what side the United States took in Libya is a whole new realm of clueless. This is about on the level of Sarah Palin at her worst, but Sarah's most memorable mistakes happened within a month or so of her being selected as the VP nominee, when I don't think she had been paying much attention to national politics prior to that. Plus, she had to weigh what she said at that time and make sure she wasn't contradicting McCain's views, which I don't think she had a lot in common with to begin with. Cain has been actively speaking about national politics for years on a radio show, must have carefully considered his presidential run before announcing it 6 months ago or whenever it was, and his views are his own (or should be!), and the question was about something which was one of the major news stories of the year. There can be no real excuse for not having some type of carefully considered answer ready for this.
 
omg. He is such a poser. Even I cringe in embarrassment for him. Someone needs to photoshop a big giant Godfathers pizza necklace around his neck and a dunce cap on his head (Flava Flav style).
 
milo10 said:
How many times in my life am I speaking to someone and want to say a word but can't think of it? Plenty. I think that is a very, very common experience for those of us who do not do public speaking, and for whom our powers of rhetoric and so forth have not been honed in politics, acting, entertainment, and so forth.

But, I can remember concepts quite well, as it is not just memorization. Perry did not forget that his position was that he wanted to cut departments, or how his stated plan differed from that of Obama's. Here, Cain needs reassurance that "Obama supported the uprising." Then he spends 5 minutes stating that he would have done a better job, but offers no specifics on how Obama did a bad job.

This was definitely worse than Perry. What Perry did was the sort of soundbite-type of thing that comedians, media, and so forth like to make fun of, but it is unsubstantial. It does not show that Perry is dumb, it means that he is a lousy public speaker, like GW Bush was, and also he has some confidence/esteem issues, as the problem was of his own making.

Cain saying that China is working on a nuclear program (!) in 2011 and not being certain what side the United States took in Libya is a whole new realm of clueless. This is about on the level of Sarah Palin at her worst, but Sarah's most memorable mistakes happened within a month or so of her being selected as the VP nominee, when I don't think she had been paying much attention to national politics prior to that. Plus, she had to weigh what she said at that time and make sure she wasn't contradicting McCain's views, which I don't think she had a lot in common with to begin with. Cain has been actively speaking about national politics for years on a radio show, must have carefully considered his presidential run before announcing it 6 months ago or whenever it was, and his views are his own (or should be!), and the question was about something which was one of the major news stories of the year. There can be no real excuse for not having some type of carefully considered answer ready for this.
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very good assessment.
 
Ron Paul is the the only one I consider more informed than I am.

Perry and Cain messed up because they both just want to be president, not because they actually have any opinions on these issues. They have to memorize responses because they have never taken the time to actually follow whats going on or form any philosophical base for their opinions.
 
Reminds me of a very bad interview I had this past year when I was trying to pull off having extensive knowledge of a software system that I only knew a little bit about.

It was going all well and good when I was talking to the managers, then they had someone with expertise come in to ask a few questions and that was the end of it. Just bumbling and fishing for the answer hoping for a little bit of help, receiving none.
 
It's obvious that Cain was trying to remember what his teacher Henry Kissinger told him in the crash course in foreign policy.
 
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